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New Hampshire -- The "Live Free or Die" State => Moving & Housing => Topic started by: LeRuineur6 on March 07, 2004, 12:03:03 am

Title: 101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 07, 2004, 12:03:03 am
1. Rochester is one of the towns of the Free Town Project!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Freedom_in_Rochester/

2. The Pease International Tradeport and Portsmouth Harbor are a Free Trade Zone!
(Zone No. 81)
http://ia.ita.doc.gov/ftzpage/letters/ftzlist.html

3. One of the most concentrated areas for high-tech and biotechnology startups in the country!
http://www.nhbiotech.com/Maps/Maps.php

4. Freedom!  The Liberty Index for almost every town in the Seacoast region is between 35 and 50!
(With the exception of the towns of Portsmouth (25), Newington (25), Durham (29), Madbury (29), Lee (29), Somersworth (34), and Rollinsford (34).)
http://www.lfod.org/2003/map.html

5. The vast majority of towns in Southwestern New Hampshire rank between 20 and 35 on the Liberty Index. :-\
http://www.lfod.org/2003/map.html

6. Property taxes for most towns in the Seacoast region are relatively low at $10 to $25 per thousand!
http://www.lfod.org/taxmap02.png

7. The Seacoast!
What more must I add to this?  ;)  I've taken 8 VERY beautiful and very LARGE pictures of the New Hampshire Seacoast and placed them here:
http://www.ctgaming.com/files/nh/

8. The Liberty Scholarship Fund is currently based in the Seacoast region and we need your help!
http://www.lsfund.org/

9. There is significant tourism and commerce because the Seacoast region lies between Maine and Boston.

10. The University of New Hampshire is in Durham!
The UNH is proud of its advanced research programs and minimal government funding!
http://www.unh.edu/

11. The Strawbery Banke Museum is in Portsmouth.
"Named by the first settlers in 1630 for the profusion of wild berries found on the shores of the Piscataqua River, Strawbery Banke is rich with history: George Washington, Daniel Webster, John Paul Jones and John Hancock were all guests on this site."
http://www.strawberybanke.org/

Keep adding to this list!  :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 07, 2004, 07:05:06 pm
Doesn't anyone wish to add to this list?
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: freedomroad on March 08, 2004, 01:00:36 am
1. Rochester is one of the towns of the Free Town Project!

I have not seen this in the forum before?  When was it picked?  Why is everyone else talking about Grafton?  Is this in the same FTP grouping that a NH state Rep is in charge of?
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Tracy Saboe on March 08, 2004, 01:11:17 am
There are actually two seperate groups. one is going to Grafton and one is going to Rochester.

Tracy
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 07:17:14 am
I just added a link to the FSP Rochester yahoo group.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Michelle on March 08, 2004, 07:35:43 am
ROTFLOL!

Okay then...

#12 - You'll be joining a very active and friendly group of other Porcupines in the Seacoast area. If you want to be involved, we'll get you to work right away (just ask Dave Mincin!), and with all the meetings (to get work done), parties (because we enjoy each other's company), and meet-and-greets (to welcome visiting Porcupines), your social calendar will never be empty again!

 :D
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 08:54:04 am
13. George Reich, a newly-elected member of the FSP Board of Directors, lives in Dover!
http://www.freestateproject.org/about/organization.jsp
http://www.freestateproject.org/about/bios.jsp#reich

14. The Seacoast Porcupines Group!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Seacoast_Porcupines/

The Seacoast Porcupines are having our first local meeting on March 20th at noon the following address:

Woodsky's Restaurant and Pub
887 Central Avenue, Dover

The Seacoast freedom movement is growing very quickly!  :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 08, 2004, 10:41:36 am
15) There are fireworks every Wednesday night all summer long at Hampton Beach.  :D

(OK, I know this is not _that_ important, but I REALLY like fireworks...  ;D)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 01:05:12 pm
15) There are fireworks every Wednesday night all summer long at Hampton Beach.  :D

(OK, I know this is not _that_ important, but I REALLY like fireworks...  ;D)

Of course fireworks are important to liberty!  These people are exercising their freedoms.  Realizing, celebrating, and exercising one's freedom is a very important part of protecting it!

Fireworks are banned in Vermont.  :-\

I love fireworks!   ;D
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: jgmaynard on March 08, 2004, 01:28:32 pm
I'd check number 6 if I were you. Michelle D and I compared property tax bills, and we're both paying the same thing (roughly) - $33/$1000.

JM
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 08, 2004, 01:36:04 pm
Of course fireworks are important to liberty!  These people are exercising their freedoms.  Realizing, celebrating, and exercising one's freedom is a very important part of protecting it!

Fireworks are banned in Vermont.  :-\

I love fireworks!   ;D

I'm talking about fireworks sponsored by the town (or chamber of commerce or something...). They still have those in Vermont, don't they??
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 02:21:06 pm
I'm talking about fireworks sponsored by the town (or chamber of commerce or something...). They still have those in Vermont, don't they??

Oh.  Yeah, those state-run fireworks shows are run in Vermont.  You should have seen my Letter to the Editor of the Burlington Free Press from last year's July 4th celebrations.  It was pretty mean.  :)

I found it!  Here it is:


Fourth of July

Happy Fourth of July everyone!  I hope you had a good time watching the fireworks on Lake Champlain.  I know I did!  Especially considering the fact that I had no choice whatsoever but to watch the display since all consumer fireworks are illegal in Vermont.

Most Class C "consumer" fireworks are only legal in 18 states; 21 states allow certain types; and 11 states, including Vermont, ban most or ALL consumer fireworks.
Learn more here:  http://fireworksafety.com/statelaws/

Oh, I can just hear the politicians now.  "If this ban protects even one person from accidental death or injury then it's worth it!"  They used the same logic to ban toy guns in New York.  What ever happened to common sense in America?  And personal responsibility?  These concepts have been replaced by regulation, taxation, and frivolous lawsuits.  Why should people stop smoking when they can just try to sue Big Tobacco for billions for causing their lung cancer?

What's next?  Complete bans on alcohol, tobacco, guns, fast food, chainsaws, and coffee?  You know, sometimes people black out when driving if they've had too many cups of coffee, and "if a ban saves even one person from accidental death or injury then it's worth it!"  Oh yeah, and I heard recently that chainsaws cause 40,000 deaths or injuries in the US each year.  Let's ban those too!

If we really wanted to see a state-run fireworks show, we could go to China.  It's ironic that even Independence Day can show Vermonters and many other Americans how many of our freedoms are being stolen from us each day.

Mike Fisher
Burlington, VT
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Michelle on March 08, 2004, 02:26:05 pm
I'd check number 6 if I were you. Michelle D and I compared property tax bills, and we're both paying the same thing (roughly) - $33/$1000.

JM

He's right. I think your map is wrong. I'll take a closer look when I have a little time.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 08, 2004, 02:33:13 pm
16) Great Bay!
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: atr on March 08, 2004, 03:10:14 pm
I'd check number 6 if I were you. Michelle D and I compared property tax bills, and we're both paying the same thing (roughly) - $33/$1000.

JM

He's right. I think your map is wrong. I'll take a closer look when I have a little time.

The map is based on full value effective tax rates provided by the New Hampshire Department of Revenue Administration:
http://www.state.nh.us/revenue/property_tax/2002.htm

For 2002, Keene's effective rate is listed as $31.59.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: SethA on March 08, 2004, 03:38:52 pm
17) Portsmouth is home to New Hampshire's very own submarine, the USS Albacore.  
http://hnsa.org/ships/albacore.htm
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: atr on March 08, 2004, 03:47:15 pm
18) Portsmouth is the restaurant capital of New England

http://www.portsmouthchamber.org/dining.cfm
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 08, 2004, 03:50:24 pm
19) Portsmouth has great "First Night" celebrations.  :D

(Including fireworks...)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 04:53:45 pm
The tax is pretty high in Durham and Lee, but otherwise it is very low in the Seacoast area.

Newington's tax rate is $9.46.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 04:57:11 pm
20. I'm planning on finding others to help jump-start bimetallism (gold and silver bullion) as a free market currency in Portsmouth and the entire Seacoast area!

Bimetallism as a Currency (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=5967)

Hopefully some people will help me out with this effort.  :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: jgmaynard on March 08, 2004, 05:17:46 pm
I think by "effective rate", they may mean the amount paid vs. amount back from Concord.
But when it comes to cutting a check, we're paying the same thing.
So CoL is the same as far as tax is concerned.

JM
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 05:27:55 pm
21. Seacoast Friends of the NRA.

This program supports conservation efforts, youth hunter education, firearms safety training, range development, and many other vital programs. Half of the funds raised this year at our  Banquet and Auction stay right here in N.H. supporting projects that encourage responsible firearms ownership and use.

http://www.sfnra.com/

(Okay, so I don't support the NRA, so what?)   ;D


Do you want me to get rid of #6, Jim?  Never!  ;)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: SethA on March 08, 2004, 07:47:26 pm
22. New Hampshire's finest fresh roasted coffee is in Dover.

http://www.piscataquacoffee.com/index.cfm
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: atr on March 08, 2004, 08:56:46 pm
I think by "effective rate", they may mean the amount paid vs. amount back from Concord.
But when it comes to cutting a check, we're paying the same thing.
So CoL is the same as far as tax is concerned.

JM

The effective rate depends on the actual rate and the portion of assessed value that is taxed. I'm not totally sure what you mean by "amount back from Concord," but this is not calculated like the Tax Foundation's report on how much money states pay to the Feds compared to how much they get back.

It's reasonable to point out that the higher property values in the Seacoast region compared to other parts of the state would help them get by with lower tax rates. But, the rates are still lower.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 08, 2004, 09:00:54 pm
atr, you're a genius!   :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 08, 2004, 09:42:50 pm
20. I'm planning on finding others to help jump-start bimetallism (gold and silver bullion) as a free market currency in Portsmouth and the entire Seacoast area!

Bimetallism as a Currency (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=5967)

Hopefully some people will help me out with this effort.  :)

Way to go! I'm there.  :D

Which brings us to reason #23...

23) I'm planning to start a flea market for porcupines on the seacoast where gold and silver circulate freely.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 08, 2004, 09:46:17 pm
22. New Hampshire's finest fresh roasted coffee is in Dover.

It sure is. And they have a drive through kiosk out front so you can pick up a cup whenever you like. It is delicious!

 (I force myself to limit this activity to weekends only so I don't get addicted...  :P)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 09, 2004, 08:53:35 am
23) I'm planning to start a flea market for porcupines on the seacoast where gold and silver circulate freely.

And I plan to help you out with this!
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: jgmaynard on March 09, 2004, 11:04:04 am
But, the rates are still lower.

Read it again, Adam.

I'm paying $33/$1000

Michelle is paying $33/$1000

The rates are the same. ;)

And I suggest a Free State Coffee brew-off :)

JM
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 09, 2004, 11:49:00 am
24) NH House district #67 is the very best one for electing libertarians to the statehouse through fusion.  :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: SethA on March 09, 2004, 12:35:18 pm
25) The Seacoast has its own resident meteorologist, Ken Mitchell.
http://www.weatherlook.com/
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 09, 2004, 12:47:53 pm
24) NH House district #67 is the very best one for electing libertarians to the statehouse through fusion.  :)

Where's that?
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: atr on March 09, 2004, 01:23:50 pm
But, the rates are still lower.

Read it again, Adam.

I'm paying $33/$1000

Michelle is paying $33/$1000

The rates are the same. ;)

I don't even know where Michelle lives, so this doesn't mean much to me. As far as I can tell (from the official numbers released by the New Hampshire government), there is not a single town in the Seacoast region where the effective property tax rate is as high as in Keene. According to the 2002 figures, Keene taxes 98.6% of the assessed value with a rate of $32.05 per $1000. The rate in Newton, for example, is close to Keene's at $29.35/$1000, but it's only levied on 65.7% of the assessed value, so the effective rate is only $19.41/$1000.



Edited to change 1998 to 2002.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: jgmaynard on March 09, 2004, 02:17:24 pm
25) The Seacoast has its own resident meteorologist, Ken Mitchell.
http://www.weatherlook.com/

THAT's fishing.. ;)

JM
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: SethA on March 09, 2004, 03:10:33 pm
JM-- It's a bit of a reach but worth noting because he does provide a great service outside of the government's system and he lives in Exeter. He seems like a nice guy, I'll bet he would add Keene to his primary coverage if you ask... :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Sons of Liberty on March 09, 2004, 03:58:21 pm
#26 - Route 1A is a great summer drive in an MGB Roadster
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Michelle on March 09, 2004, 04:56:55 pm
But, the rates are still lower.

Read it again, Adam.

I'm paying $33/$1000

Michelle is paying $33/$1000

The rates are the same. ;)

I don't even know where Michelle lives, so this doesn't mean much to me. As far as I can tell (from the official numbers released by the New Hampshire government), there is not a single town in the Seacoast region where the effective property tax rate is as high as in Keene. According to the 2002 figures, Keene taxes 98.6% of the assessed value with a rate of $32.05 per $1000. The rate in Newton, for example, is close to Keene's at $29.35/$1000, but it's only levied on 65.7% of the assessed value, so the effective rate is only $19.41/$1000.



Edited to change 1998 to 2002.

I'm in Somersworth. So, basically what you are saying is that even though the actual tax rate may be similar, the tax is levied on a lower percentage of actual market value than it would be if my home were picked up and moved to Keene. Is that right?
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: atr on March 09, 2004, 05:14:21 pm
I'm in Somersworth. So, basically what you are saying is that even though the actual tax rate may be similar, the tax is levied on a lower percentage of actual market value than it would be if my home were picked up and moved to Keene. Is that right?

Bingo. Here's an explanation of it by a Prudential realtor in southern New Hampshire: http://www.nh-real-estate.com/taxes.htm
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: jgmaynard on March 09, 2004, 05:23:16 pm
I hadn't realized that they taxed such a low % of assesed value -
We have about $100k home, and pay ~$3300/yr in combined local, county, school, and SWPT taxes...

JM
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 09, 2004, 07:57:57 pm
24) NH House district #67 is the very best one for electing libertarians to the statehouse through fusion.  :)

Where's that?

Rochester, Somersworth, and Rollinsford. District 67 is the largest (14 reps) district in the state. In the 2002 election, Democrats won four seats through fusion that libertarians could have easily won. This result inspired the creation of the "Freedom in Rochester" project.

Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 10, 2004, 09:30:26 am
I hadn't realized that they taxed such a low % of assesed value -
We have about $100k home, and pay ~$3300/yr in combined local, county, school, and SWPT taxes...

Keene has a very high equalized tax rate; it was $31.59 in 2002 versus $19.36 in Somersworth. Keene's equalized tax rate is higher than almost anywhere on the seacoast.



Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Mike Lorrey on March 10, 2004, 01:23:27 pm
I would like to know who voted for Rochester to be one of the Free Towns??? I mean, outside of George Riech...

I should note that the key nemesis of Governor Benson is elected from Rochester, by overwhelming amounts. The town is a liberal stronghold.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 10, 2004, 02:03:27 pm
I would like to know who voted for Rochester to be one of the Free Towns??? I mean, outside of George Riech...

There are presently 32 people who are interested enough in the Freedom in Rochester project to participate in our Yahoo group.

Quote
I should note that the key nemesis of Governor Benson is elected from Rochester, by overwhelming amounts. The town is a liberal stronghold.

Dick Green's election to his District 6 senate seat was a quirk. Fergus Cullen, the Republican candidate originally chosen in the primary, was disqualified from running in the general election due to a problem with residency requirements. Dick Green was asked to run at the last minute by the Republicans, and few gave him any chance of winning against the Democratic incumbent. In fact, Green did not win by "overwhelming amounts". Get your facts straight before posting.

BTW - Rochester is a city, not a town. It has traditionally been a working class, Democratic kind of place, but it (and the rest of District 67) surprised everyone in the 2002 election. Every NH house candidate in that district who ran on a "No Sales Tax" and "No Income Tax" platform won handily. Rochester is less of a liberal stronghold than most NH cities, actually.
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 10, 2004, 02:53:38 pm
BTW - Rochester is a city, not a town. It has traditionally been a working class, Democratic kind of place, but it (and the rest of District 67) surprised everyone in the 2002 election. Every NH house candidate in that district who ran on a "No Sales Tax" and "No Income Tax" platform won handily. Rochester is less of a liberal stronghold than most NH cities, actually.

Well write that up as reason #27.  :)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: George Reich on March 10, 2004, 02:58:32 pm
27) Rochester, Somersworth, and Rollinsford residents hate taxes and make this known at the voting booth.  ;D
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: atr on March 10, 2004, 03:08:33 pm
28) Lobsters

(http://www.lobsters.org/IMAGES/herrick1.jpg)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: LeRuineur6 on March 15, 2004, 07:53:44 am
Why is this thread under Moving and Housing?

It is clearly a thread regarding General Research and Data about New Hampshire.

Oh well.  Maybe this is a better place for it...
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Dave Mincin on March 18, 2004, 11:34:10 am
29)  Michele, Jim, & George! ;)
Title: Re:101 Reasons to Move to the Seacoast Region!
Post by: Dave Mincin on April 12, 2004, 10:25:46 am
30)  When you stand in the crosswalk, the cars stop, and let you cross! ;D