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Archive => Which State? => Topic started by: ZionCurtain on October 19, 2002, 04:51:46 pm

Title: Montana it is!
Post by: ZionCurtain on October 19, 2002, 04:51:46 pm
I have been reading the arguements on both sides. My money is on Montana being the best candidate overall.
I grew up in Idaho, spent my young adulthood in Connecticut and have lived in Alaska and Washington state. I have visited about every other state also. If you want FSP to succeed Montana would do it. Billings is big enough to absorb 20 thousand people, considering the influx would create more jobs. Maybe the people that need the 500,000 a year jobs can run for office there. Politics in its current state has its perks.

NH is a lovely state, I remember going to Hampton Beach in the 80's, but if you really want to pull this off some of you people need to swallow your pride a little and take the sure bet in Montana.
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: Shayde on October 20, 2002, 02:36:56 pm
I don't know if Billings could absorb all 20,000 for Montana but between Billings, Butte, Missoula, Bozeman, Helena, Great Falls and Kalispell I think we could.  None of these would be considered a "city" by any stretch, but they are good sized "towns".

Of course Missoula and Kalispell are a little more liberal than would be ideal and Billings is not the prettiest part of the state, but I guess those are things that would have to be overcome.

As a resident of Montana already, I can tell you that I think the group would be very welcome here.  I think we could find a lot of support from people who ALREADY live here, building the citizen base in a pretty quick hurry.  

Of course, I love it here and I hope that Montana is the state that is chosen because I honestly think the project could FLY here.  
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: Shayde on October 21, 2002, 10:57:55 am
The colors up there are GORGEOUS!  We don't have as many reds here and I really like the reds.  

We do have ASPENS though - which is my favorite and when they are all gold there is NOTHING like it.  

Also, when I go out into the woods to see them all there is NO ONE else out there and that is the best part!  ;D
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: JT on October 22, 2002, 11:55:45 am
Montana sounds good to me...
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: ZionCurtain on October 22, 2002, 09:53:05 pm
In actuality North Dakota seems to be the best state by the standards put forth, but I go with Montana because it is the one closest in votes to NH. I honestly believe that this project will not be a success if one of the eastern states are picked. I would personally have to opt out if it were in an eastern state for my kids sake. I will still support the project no matter, just not physically.
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: yorick on October 23, 2002, 09:40:04 am
Montana has one ofthe HIGHEST state income tax burdens!    11% in the top bracket!   ??? >:(  

whats up with that?

Wyoming is 0, South Dakota is 0 Alaska is 0.

If your household income is 100k annual and you move from MN (8% state income tax) to SD, WY or AK (0%) you just gave yourself a $667 per month raise!   :) :)



source:

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html (http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html)
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: Shayde on October 23, 2002, 04:50:28 pm
Our state income tax is higher because we have NO state sales tax.  When something says it costs $2.99 you ACTUALLY PAY $2.99.
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: yorick on October 23, 2002, 09:39:32 pm
ok that makes sense as to the why it's so high...

HOWEVER!

I'd rather pay sales tax than INCOME tax.  At least with sales tax I can chose not to pay it (by not buying anything)  but as long as I am going to accumulate wealth, I'll be subject to confiscatory income taxes....BLECH!

sales (or any consumption) taxes are much more morally acceptable than income (taxing the fruits of my labour makes me a slave) taxes IMHO...

Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: Shayde on October 25, 2002, 05:11:29 pm
How many of the states have BOTH sales and income tax?

I could totally agree with the fact that sales tax is more acceptable than income tax and if they were going to abolish the income tax and, in turn, start charging sales tax, I would go for it in a minute.  The truth is though that they would start charging the sales tax and then they would continue to "need" the income tax and we would take it in the shorts.  So I will take it the way it is.  :)
Title: Re:Montana it is!
Post by: ZionCurtain on October 26, 2002, 11:22:03 pm
I have had the "benefit" of living in the 2 tax states most of my life. So a one tax state is a good start for me.