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Title: I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 23, 2004, 04:10:17 pm
...that one thing is finding a darn job. I'm unemployed right now, and waiting for a divorce. Freedom is very important to me, but eating and having a roof over my head is more important -- call me strange, but I think Maslow had it right ;)

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Karl on February 23, 2004, 04:21:04 pm
...that one thing is finding a darn job. I'm unemployed right now, and waiting for a divorce. Freedom is very important to me, but eating and having a roof over my head is more important -- call me strange, but I think Maslow had it right ;)

New Hampshire is as good a place to find a new job as any, I would think.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: FreeBoB on February 23, 2004, 06:46:43 pm
...that one thing is finding a darn job. I'm unemployed right now, and waiting for a divorce. Freedom is very important to me, but eating and having a roof over my head is more important -- call me strange, but I think Maslow had it right ;)

Rob

Hi Rob -
It doesn't sound like you should or could move right now.  We've all got to get our house in order before we actually move.  Moving to a new place is not to be taken lightly, and should done with very careful planning and thought.  
Take some time to read the essays on the FSP site, view the videos, and of course, participate in these forums!  If you feel in your heart that you can commit to the project and move at some point, then join!  You'll have years to actually move.  
What's going to happen in NH over the next few years is going to Rock The World and I want to be a part of making it happen   :o
There are lots of jobs in NH - what's your expertise?
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: thegotoguy on February 24, 2004, 12:50:31 am
Rob -

The official move won't begin for at least another 3 years (once 20K has been reached).  At that point, we'll still have 5 years to actually move.  So, we're looking at an 8 year window, minimum.

My wife and I were going to move early this year.  However, after giving it some thought, we are now leaning toward sticking it out here in NJ a little longer.  We both have jobs here, and can save enough money to make the eventual move easier on us financially.

It makes much more sense for us to move to NH with a chunk of cash put away.  We'll be able to spend more time on activism and less time working.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 24, 2004, 12:08:50 pm
Hi Brian and All,
That makes sense....if I have that kind of timeframe to work with, I can get my affairs in order then. My expertise is primarily in the IT?IS industry, more specifically Linux and FreeBSD administration and engineering. Before doing IT work though, I was a professional brewer -- Could you imagine "Free State Brewery" and the line of beers I could make? :D
The IT/IS thing is a means to an end for me, namely running my own business combining brewing/brewpub and internet -- I am getting to be more and more resistant about having to work for someone else.

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Ogre11 on February 24, 2004, 12:25:39 pm
Yes, with that time frame, go ahead and plan your move now, and then make the committment.  A large number of people are anchored by their jobs and cannot move quickly because of them.  But if you commit to moving, then you can work on how and what you will be doing over the next few years.  I'm sure anyone can find a job in NH, given 8 years!
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 24, 2004, 08:54:06 pm
I'm ready to commit. the page where I sign up however, won't take my current Username (wants a new one) and barring that, won't let me commit because my email address is already registered. Any workarounds?

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: <Patrick> on February 24, 2004, 09:05:02 pm
I'm ready to commit. the page where I sign up however, won't take my current Username (wants a new one) and barring that, won't let me commit because my email address is already registered. Any workarounds?

Rob

You might want to try registering with an alternate email address.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: atr on February 24, 2004, 09:06:47 pm
I'm ready to commit. the page where I sign up however, won't take my current Username (wants a new one) and barring that, won't let me commit because my email address is already registered. Any workarounds?

Rob

Hey, that's great. Let's see if we can get you signed up  :).

Is there any reason why someone else would have registered with your e-mail address? Regardless, here's what you can try:

1. go to https://freestateproject.org/members/register.jsp
2. enter your e-mail address
3. you will be e-mailed a username and temporary password
4. go login at https://freestateproject.org/members/index.jsp
5. check out the information there

If someone signed up with your e-mail, you'll see their info there. If that's the case, you should send a PM to Justin on the message board, and he'll help you out.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 25, 2004, 02:04:53 am
Well, I had to provide an email address when I registered for the forums -- it's the only email address that I care to use  :'( ....
So where (or to whom) do I turn now?

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: atr on February 25, 2004, 08:42:57 am
Well, I had to provide an email address when I registered for the forums -- it's the only email address that I care to use  :'( ....
So where (or to whom) do I turn now?

Rob

Forum registration is separate from signing up as an FSP member. It's not cross-checking your forum e-mail when you try to sign up as a member, is it?
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on February 25, 2004, 08:49:52 am
...that one thing is finding a darn job. I'm unemployed right now, and waiting for a divorce. Freedom is very important to me, but eating and having a roof over my head is more important -- call me strange, but I think Maslow had it right ;)

Rob

I'm looking for an IS job in Portsmouth, NH right now.

I'll let you know how long it takes to find one.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Bruce_Morgan on February 25, 2004, 09:17:06 am
Tex,

Shoot an email to members@freestateproject.org.  Whoever is monitoring that address (should be Tim Condon) will be glad to help you out.

Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: JasonPSorens on February 25, 2004, 10:24:04 am
Amanda Maxwell is monitoring the members@ email address now.  Let us know exactly what happens when you go here and sign up:
https://freestateproject.org/members/join.jsp

You can specify any username you want; it doesn't have to be the same as your forum username.  Maybe we should put that on the page.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 25, 2004, 11:52:01 am
I get the following:


Error:
The following field(s) must be unique to each user, and have already been taken: Email


Amanda? You out there?  :-\
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: atr on February 25, 2004, 11:55:55 am
I get the following:


Error:
The following field(s) must be unique to each user, and have already been taken: Email


Amanda? You out there?  :-\

Follow the instructions I posted before, and you can see who registered with your e-mail address, and enter your information:

1. go to https://freestateproject.org/members/register.jsp
2. enter your e-mail address
3. you will be e-mailed a username and temporary password
4. go login at https://freestateproject.org/members/index.jsp
5. check out the information there
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Stumpy on February 25, 2004, 11:58:36 am
This means that either you have already successfully signed up and are a member or someone else signed up using your email address.

I suggest you send an email to data@freestateproject.org, include your name, city and state, and ask Justin if you are a member.

If you are not already a member, we’ll have to figure out what’s happening.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 25, 2004, 12:26:57 pm
I'm not a member. I know this for a fact. I used my email address, popeye at zamites dot net to register for these forums.
When I entered my email address at the URL atr posted, I received this reply:


Error:

Could not locate a pre-registered member with email provided. If you believe this to be in error, please contact data@freestateproject.org


Do the FSP registration info and the Forums info use the same database? Maybe the FSP sysadmin should just nuke ALL my information, remove me from the Forum DB and just drop me an email to register as an FSP member first?

*sigh*

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: atr on February 25, 2004, 12:38:20 pm
Do the FSP registration info and the Forums info use the same database?

This is strange. I would not expect it to cross-check, but what else could explain these two things happening:

1. When you tried to sign-up, it said your e-mail is already in the database
2. When you tried to setup an account for having signed up previously, it said you weren't in the database

Yes, you should send an e-mail to data@freestateproject.org. Sorry this isn't working.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 25, 2004, 12:43:28 pm
Sent.

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Justin on February 25, 2004, 01:05:26 pm
I get the following:


Error:
The following field(s) must be unique to each user, and have already been taken: Email


Amanda? You out there?  :-\

You got this error because you tried to join twice.  Your first attempt was successful, so the second was rejected based on the duplicate email address.

When you first joined on Feb 24th, an email was sent to you.  Follow the instructions contained therein.


-Justin
Title: Sorry.
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 25, 2004, 05:02:26 pm
But after repeated emails between myself and Justin, this is still not working. I refuse to further bother anyone about this. Good luck to the project. I'm bowing out for now.

Rob
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: <Patrick> on February 25, 2004, 05:06:08 pm

Seriously, you should try using an alternate email address.

Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: Justin on February 25, 2004, 07:08:36 pm
TexasRHCE joined the FSP via the join page (https://freestateproject.org/members/join.jsp) yesterday during our DNS debacle.  He said he did not get the post-signup email (which includes his temporary password).  I told him he can get a new password by following the "Forgor your password?" link.  If he chooses to follow the instructions he was given all will be well.

At a minimum, I guess yesterday's server mess weeded out those who will put forth no more effort than is minimally required to fill out a web form.
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: Justin on February 25, 2004, 07:10:29 pm

Seriously, you should try using an alternate email address.

Seriously, no he shouldn't.  Please refrain from handing out ill-advised "work-arounds."
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: <Patrick> on February 25, 2004, 07:15:06 pm

Seriously, you should try using an alternate email address.

Seriously, no he shouldn't.

Seriously, why not?

And seriously, why be rude and mock my post?
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: <Patrick> on February 25, 2004, 07:16:10 pm

Seriously, you should try using an alternate email address.

Seriously, no he shouldn't.  Please refrain from handing out ill-advised "work-arounds."

What makes it "ill-advised?"

And I'll say what I damn well please. If you know a better way, why not use persuasion to explain why rather than just telling me not to offer suggestions?
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: vermass on February 26, 2004, 11:41:29 am
   Hey Rob, Robert here (ha,ha), anyway, I think you should move now. As someone who has never lived in the same place for long, I've moved A lot. I've never worked in the same place longer than a couple of years.
    Thing is, it's not much harder to move 200 miles than 2 miles. Once you're packed your packed, packings the part that sucks. As a matter of fact my fiancee wanted to move out of this apartment this July, I told her if we're packed we're going to NH. After further consideration (we're getting married this July)  we decided to move in July 05". If it was just me I'd already be in NH. We want to buy a house. This summer we're going to spend a great deal of time checking out areas to live in NH. You say you're unemployed, look for a new job in NH. I moved to SC without a job or a place to live and only had $1800 to my name (I literally just loaded up and drove down there, don't do that!). I had a new job in a day and was moving into a house I rented the next day. Disclaimer: I'm a nurse with excellent references and nurses are needed everywhere, it's easy for me to find a job and I KNOW it. You didn't mention children so I assume it's just you. You can rent a room or something for a while while you get yourself situated. I'm just sugesting you seriously consider this I also think that your divorce will be easier on you emotionally if you move. You can start out fresh in a new place!
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Justin on February 26, 2004, 12:13:26 pm
Tex ran into difficulties with the join process (partially due to the server debacle), and decided not to join because of it.  *shrug*
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: vermass on February 26, 2004, 01:56:18 pm
  Then he wouldn't have been much of an asset!
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 26, 2004, 05:01:28 pm
Justin,
I tried what you said MULTIPLE TIMES and got no closer to having it work. I took Patrick's "ill-advised" workaround and used a newly-created yahoo mail account to get myself signed in.
I realize being the sysadmin for a project must be difficult at times, but terse snappy emails to me and thinly veiled snobbery at my lack of ability to follow simple directions were not appreciated.
I'm willing to let this all go if we can just forget about it and rejoice in the fact that another lover of freedom has joined the rolls of the FSP and is waiting to make his move to NH! :D

Rob
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: TexasRHCE on February 26, 2004, 05:06:28 pm
Frustration can oftentimes be multipled by personal situations -- my regrets at losing my cool over this whole thing. A good healthy meal, combines with a few cold beers and a great night's sleep to give me a better outlook, I find.
I registered under a new email address, and am trying to shrug off the previous day's stuff as, well, just stuff. My apologies to the forum for my temper tantrum, but being rejected for 3 more jobs and having my bank account down to $5 was pretty unnerving.

Rob
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: Justin on February 26, 2004, 05:20:22 pm
I've deleted your original entry, so you can now change your email address without conflict.
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: <Patrick> on February 26, 2004, 06:30:55 pm
Justin,
I tried what you said MULTIPLE TIMES and got no closer to having it work. I took Patrick's "ill-advised" workaround and used a newly-created yahoo mail account to get myself signed in.
I realize being the sysadmin for a project must be difficult at times, but terse snappy emails to me and thinly veiled snobbery at my lack of ability to follow simple directions were not appreciated.
I'm willing to let this all go if we can just forget about it and rejoice in the fact that another lover of freedom has joined the rolls of the FSP and is waiting to make his move to NH! :D

Rob

Welcome to the FSP! We'll see you in the Free State! :)
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: LeRuineur6 on February 26, 2004, 08:10:50 pm
TexasRHCE,

Welcome to the FSP!!!  :)


Justin,

Thanks for trying to get things fixed and for dealing with the DNS problem.  Maybe TexasRHCE was just experiencing a rare glitch or something.  You never know nowadays!  :)
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: LeopardPM on February 26, 2004, 08:33:16 pm
Texas,
I know of a person who is looking for some labor possibly (in NH) if you would like to participate.  it would amount to getting there and having food and a hat-hanging place... a foundation, so to speak... email me if interested...

leopardpm@yahoo.com

michael
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: SteveA on February 27, 2004, 12:14:28 am
Don't feel bad, Texas.  I was removed from the member list I believe and can't seem to join either.  We'll see what happens.  If I get it working, I'll try to pass anything helpful on to you.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: vermass on February 27, 2004, 10:02:33 am
  Texas, persistence=victory, welcome aboard!
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: SteveA on February 27, 2004, 10:15:11 am
Looks like you're already onboard :)  Welcome Texas.  Glad to have you

Justin helped get my member info working too and now I have the kewl "FSP Member" title under my name ;D
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 28, 2004, 03:23:41 pm
Hey Texas
I will be in NH by May. I can't offer you a job, but since I am a novice Linux user I will ask you for free sysadmin advice advice as soon as you get here. ;)
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: thrivetacobell on February 28, 2004, 05:32:41 pm
I'm glad it worked out, TexasRHCE
Don't want to go without my Free State Beer!
Title: Re:Sorry.
Post by: thegotoguy on March 02, 2004, 12:16:20 am
I realize being the sysadmin for a project must be difficult at times, but terse snappy emails to me and thinly veiled snobbery at my lack of ability to follow simple directions were not appreciated.

Sometimes, when dealing with people over the internet, it's hard to remember that there is a human being on the other side of the conversation.

I find myself wanting to flip out on my customers sometimes (I sell stuff on eBay full time).  I have to bite my tongue so hard sometimes, I'm amazed I haven't needed stitches yet.

This is an unacceptable way to treat people and it certainly is not representative of the majority of the FSP membership I've met through these boards.

We argue and disagree with each other all the time, but we're usually pretty civil toward one another.

Thanks for signing on to the cause.  See you in New Hampshire.
Title: Re:I would commit, but I fear one thing....
Post by: Tyler V on March 09, 2004, 01:36:29 am
I'm not sure you really need to be worrying about employment all that much.  From what I've seen NH has a very healthy economy and is likely to be one of the best places in the country to find a job by the time the move is made.  Also, with 20,000 new people, comes new business.  I am sure that many people are planning to do exactly what I am when the time comes and liquidate their current businesses and investments, then reinvest in the NH economy.  I foresee a staggering growth for NH's economy after the move has been made.  Especially when you consider that the there is likely to be a very high percentage of FSP members who are actively involved in the economy.  With the ideals and constitution required to do what FSP members have agreed to do, usually comes a hightened appreciation and involvement in the economy, meaning either business owners or investors.  I would be willing to bet that NH's economy gets a huge shot in the arm as a result of 20,000 dedicated individualists moving there within a 5 year timeframe.

P.S.  Speaking of business in NH after the move, is there currently any kind of oraganization or alliance of businesses within the FSP?   This might be something to consider once the move has been made.  A good profitable commercial backbone can do wonders for political activism.