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Title: Music in the Free State
Post by: bugsbunny04 on January 28, 2004, 09:41:39 pm
What kind of music do my Libs out there listen too? I'm into Metallica, Alice in chains, Pearl Jam, Pantera, A lot of hard stuff, some softer stuff if it is extremely intellegent as well as creative. Eminem is Ok. I don't like people who run there **** suckers about there money rolls, 24's and there gosh darn cadillac on 22's. My bone stock S-10 would be seeing there butt in my rearview mirror! As long as something is intellegent and substantive and muscially well put together I like it.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on January 28, 2004, 11:58:45 pm
Metallica, Alice in Chains, and Pantera all rock. Pearl Jam has a few good songs.

I don't understand anything else that you've just said.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on January 29, 2004, 05:58:51 am
4.0K 3_Doors_Down/
4.0K A_Perfect_Circle/
4.0K Anti_Flag/
4.0K Biohazard/
4.0K Dead_Kennedys/
4.0K Death_By_Stereo/
4.0K Decapitated/
4.0K Flogging_Molly/
4.0K Foo_Fighters/
4.0K Jets_To_Brazil/
4.0K Kyuss/
4.0K Leftover_Crack/
4.0K Lords_Of_Acid/
4.0K Machine_Head/
4.0K Meat_Puppets/
4.0K Metallica/
4.0K Motorhead/
4.0K Mussorgsky/
4.0K Nailbomb/
4.0K Offspring/
4.0K Opeth/
4.0K Pennywise/
4.0K Propagandhi/
4.0K Rage_Against_The_Machine/
4.0K Sepultura/
4.0K Sigur_Ros/
4.0K Skinny_Puppy/
4.0K Slayer/
4.0K Testament/
4.0K The_Crown/
4.0K The_Gathering/
4.0K Therapy/
4.0K Thrice/
4.0K Tool/

Thats a listing of all the music I have on my work computer, of course, I like Alice In Chains, Pantera, Pearl Jam and Nirvana aswell, but I just don't have any of that here... ;)
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: bugsbunny04 on February 01, 2004, 12:04:50 am
4.0K 3_Doors_Down/
4.0K A_Perfect_Circle/
4.0K Anti_Flag/
4.0K Biohazard/
4.0K Dead_Kennedys/
4.0K Death_By_Stereo/
4.0K Decapitated/
4.0K Flogging_Molly/
4.0K Foo_Fighters/
4.0K Jets_To_Brazil/
4.0K Kyuss/
4.0K Leftover_Crack/
4.0K Lords_Of_Acid/
4.0K Machine_Head/
4.0K Meat_Puppets/
4.0K Metallica/
4.0K Motorhead/
4.0K Mussorgsky/
4.0K Nailbomb/
4.0K Offspring/
4.0K Opeth/
4.0K Pennywise/
4.0K Propagandhi/
4.0K Rage_Against_The_Machine/
4.0K Sepultura/
4.0K Sigur_Ros/
4.0K Skinny_Puppy/
4.0K Slayer/
4.0K Testament/
4.0K The_Crown/
4.0K The_Gathering/
4.0K Therapy/
4.0K Thrice/
4.0K Tool/

Thats a listing of all the music I have on my work computer, of course, I like Alice In Chains, Pantera, Pearl Jam and Nirvana aswell, but I just don't have any of that here... ;)

Nice assortment, Any of it available for download?
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on February 02, 2004, 12:47:55 am
You mean theft, right?
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: bugsbunny04 on February 02, 2004, 01:03:05 am
If he wants to make the files available for people to get from him, and he is not chargeing anything, he aint commiting piracy. And since he is not necessarily running a site specifically for that purpose, he probably won't get noticed anyway. All he would be doing is telling me where he got them or posting them somewhere so I could get them. And I have a pretty good idea of which artists consider this stuff a bad thing and are likely to sue and I aint going to download a gosh darn thing from any of those artists who get sue happy. I only download stuff from artists who like the idea and consider it great exposure. Often times, the artists that interest me happen to have that veiw, because I don't listen to anybody I consider a pansy.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 02, 2004, 08:19:34 am
You can find many free mp3s on the Propagandhi site:

http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/propagandhi/audio.shtml

Rage Against the Machine no longer exist...

I shouldn't think Mussorgsky would mind from beyond the grave...

At an Opeth concert I was at the lead singer asked if people had downloaded the stuff from the internet and responded "fucking eh" (or words to that effect) when people shouted "yes".

Sigur Ros have many mp3s available for download from their site:

http://www.sigur-ros.co.uk/media/index.html

Kyuss no longer exist.

Anti-flag have a few songs:

http://www.anti-flag.com/MU40.php

You can get some Pennywise stuff at:

http://www.pennywisdom.com/index2.html

Afaik, Nailbomb no longer exist.

And as for the rest, the recording industry can lick my balls. Copying a cd and giving it to a friend is fair use. Sorry guys. The only thing that complaining about this is going to achieve is stopping me buying their cds. I have CDs from Propagandhi, Electric Wizard, Opeth and many other bands who don't care. I've never bought a Metallica cd in my life. Also, I have every Sepultura album up to roots on vinyl, so I'm not actually bothered about that either.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Bruce_Morgan on February 03, 2004, 12:17:16 pm
...and Steve Burns (of blues clues fame) ....

Oh, dear lord.  I listened (http://www.steveswebpage.com/album/album.php), and I liked it.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Bruce_Morgan on February 03, 2004, 12:23:43 pm
And as for the rest, the recording industry can lick my balls. Copying a cd and giving it to a friend is fair use. Sorry guys. The only thing that complaining about this is going to achieve is stopping me buying their cds. I have CDs from Propagandhi, Electric Wizard, Opeth and many other bands who don't care. I've never bought a Metallica cd in my life. Also, I have every Sepultura album up to roots on vinyl, so I'm not actually bothered about that either.

For an old chick (older than my mother, even,) Janis Ian has some interesting things to say about RIAA (http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html) and their stupidity regarding downloading songs.  I loved this quote, "My site (www.janisian.com ) gets an average of 75,000 hits a year. Not bad for someone whose last hit record was in 1975."  She gets it!  She makes money from (GASP!) publicizing her music!  For nearly FREE even!

Don't miss the follow-up article (http://www.janisian.com/article-fallout.html) she did.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on February 03, 2004, 09:23:03 pm
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Rage Against the Machine no longer exist...

Good riddance. They were horrible.

You are aware that they were/are Communists, right?
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: libertyovertyranny on February 03, 2004, 09:28:18 pm
Propaghandi is cool.  I like the song "This might be satire."  Despite the crass lyrics, it's an awesome punk song.

Come on, how can you not like "Bulls On Parade" or "Killing In the Name Of"?  Channel the socialist energy of Rage Against the Machine and turn it into libertarian power!!  Deh du, deh deh du, deh deh du!  (the guitar from Bulls On Parade).

 
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: libertyovertyranny on February 03, 2004, 09:29:33 pm
You are aware that they were/are Communists, right?

No way are they Communists.  Maybe socialists or Marxists (I really don't know the difference), but they wouldn't be anti-free-speech Communists.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 04, 2004, 06:48:37 am

Good riddance. They were horrible.

You are aware that they were/are Communists, right?


Horrible is not a word I'd use to describe them and nor is Communist. I'd probably say they were Socialists but never Marxists. No Marxist could write music like Morello and Co and some of the songs provide a reasonably accurate if not slightly left biased critique american government policy.

Yeah that Propagandhi song rocks. Propagandhi lyrics are funny and usually intelligent.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on February 05, 2004, 12:52:56 am
I will conceed that Bulls on Parade is a good song. Killing in the Name is just pathetic.

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No way are they Communists.  Maybe socialists or Marxists (I really don't know the difference), but they wouldn't be anti-free-speech Communists.

*Socialism:

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.*

*Marxism:

The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.*

Socialism is a more Right-leaning form of Communism, whereas Marxism IS Communism. I am surprised you did not know this.

And since when is Socialism essentially advocative of freedom of speech??

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Horrible is not a word I'd use to describe them and nor is Communist.

I bought Evil Empire a long time ago. Bulls on Parade was the only song that I liked. Everything else sucked. I realize that I am biased, especially given that this is the only RATM album that I own, but I have no intention of wasting my money on any of their other albums.

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No Marxist could write music like Morello and Co

How do you assume that?

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and some of the songs provide a reasonably accurate if not slightly left biased critique american government policy.

Such as what?

P.S. Did you not once say that you support the basic premise of the U.N.?
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: libertyovertyranny on February 05, 2004, 01:09:52 am
Socialism essentially advocative of freedom of speech??

Good point.  A death metal band from Norway is facing possible criminal charges in Poland for "causing religious offense":

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=723414

Sample lyric from "Killing In the Name Of":

"Fuck you, I won't do what ya tell me..."

Granted, resistance to authority isn't unique to libertarianism, but it's not a Communist ideal.

"Now ya do what they told ya"

People falling in line and complying with what they've been told is a huge reason why America is so non-libertarian today.  Questioning authority is essential to libertarianism.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on February 05, 2004, 05:37:26 am
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Good point.  A death metal band from Norway is facing possible criminal charges in Poland for "causing religious offense":

Right. And the Chinese Regime is extremely anti-sexual, barring any form of entertainment that is "too racy" or "too controversial". This is a regime which PROHIBITS religion and is explicitly ATHEISTIC.

But who said that you need a God to be a prude...

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Granted, resistance to authority isn't unique to libertarianism, but it's not a Communist ideal.

Yes, it is, if that [perceived] authority is Capitalism. Of course, Capitalism is the epitome of economic freedom, and a Capitalistic Nation is very likely to be Libertarian in the social sense as well.

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People falling in line and complying with what they've been told is a huge reason why America is so non-libertarian today.  Questioning authority is essential to libertarianism.

Agreed. But what fools like Rage Against the Machine fail to realize is that this Nation is already knee-deep in Socialism, and it is sinking even deeper by the passing of each day.
Or the Nation is simply not Socialistic ENOUGH for them- which is, in actuality, more likely than the above.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 05, 2004, 05:44:43 am
There are many definitions to socialism. Don't just pick the one that you think appropriate.

socialism

\So"cial*ism\, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme.

> No Marxist could write music like Morello and Co

How do you assume that?

Because I know how Marxists think, ever heard of Social Realism? Rage Against The Machine isn't Social Realism. The songs aren't about the heroic victory of the unified working class over the evil bourgoisie.

> and some of the songs provide a reasonably accurate if not slightly left biased critique american government policy.

Such as what?

I believe that the poster above me has given one example. Here are some others:

(From 'Know Your Enemy')

Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the D the E the F the I the A the N the C the E
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy?

(From 'War Within A Breath')

Every official that come in
Cripples us leaves us maimed
Silent and tamed
And with our flesh and bones
He builds his homes

(From 'Calm Like A Bomb')

A prison to fill
Theres a countrys soul that reads post no bills
Theres a strike and a line of cops outside of tha mill
Theres a right to obey
And a right to kill

And in general they speak out against American neo-imperialism, the ending of which is a libertarian goal.

P.S. Did you not once say that you support the basic premise of the U.N.?

Nice tactic, you are correct that I did once say that.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 05, 2004, 05:48:50 am

Agreed. But what fools like Rage Against the Machine fail to realize is that this Nation is already knee-deep in Socialism, and it is sinking even deeper by the passing of each day.

Or the Nation is simply not Socialistic ENOUGH for them- which is, in actuality, more likely than the above.


They sing about:

* American Neo-imperialism
* Government subsidies for private enterprise
* The encroaching police state

I would have thought most libertarians would be anti those things. Furthermore there is a difference between authoritarian National Socialism (of the kind practiced in Germany and now taking root in the US) and anti-authoritarian socialism.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on February 05, 2004, 06:17:04 am
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There are many definitions to socialism. Don't just pick the one that you think appropriate.

Fair enough. But the definition of which you have just provided follows the same basic premise, save for "In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme", which could actually be a description of Libertarianism. But I'll avoid that like the plague...

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And in general they speak out against American neo-imperialism, the ending of which is a libertarian goal.

Fair enough again. I agree with that as well.

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Nice tactic, you are correct that I did once say that.

Then you support a Socialistic machine which seeks to become the Government of Earth?

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I would have thought most libertarians would be anti those things.

We are. But pardon me if I would rather distance myself as far as possible, WHEN possible [As there are times in which coalitions must be built with certain people on certain issues who, beyond those issues, we oppose vehemently], from people like RATM- despite our agreement on what I will admit is probably a significant number of issues. I have asserted many times before on this Forum that there is indeed common ground between Left-Liberalism and Libertarianism, just as there is common ground between Right-Conservatism and Libertarianism. If you would ever read my earlier posts, you would find that I decry the Right-Wing bias inherent within many Libertarians.

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Furthermore there is a difference between authoritarian National Socialism (of the kind practiced in Germany and now taking root in the US) and anti-authoritarian socialism.

Authoritarian Socialism is GOVERNMENTAL Socialism; in other words, Socialism established by the force of Government[/i]. Anti-Authoritarian [Or Libertarian, if one dares] Socialism- or Anarcho-Socialism- on a wide scale is impossible, as human nature, indeed, Nature ITSELF is essentially Capitalistic. However, it can work within small groups/communities through willing individuals, and I certanly believe that people have the Right to organize in such fashions as long as they do not violate the Life, Liberty, and Property of anyone else via Force, Fraud, and Theft- which would include, verily, the coercion of others into their Socialism.
I reserve the Right to put a bullet into the head of anyone who would in any way attempt to collectivize me. I hope you know that...
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 05, 2004, 06:57:53 am
Then you support a Socialistic machine which seeks to become the Government of Earth?

Again, you are taking it to mean I support the UN. I don't support the UN in its current form. I support the ideal of the UN, the premise of the UN which is that every person on this earth should have the same rights to freedom of speech, association etc. as any one american citizen.

If you would ever read my earlier posts, you would find that I decry the Right-Wing bias inherent within many Libertarians.

Excellent.

Authoritarian Socialism is GOVERNMENTAL Socialism; in other words, Socialism established by the force of Government. Anti-Authoritarian [Or Libertarian, if one dares] Socialism- or Anarcho-Socialism- on a wide scale is impossible, as human nature, indeed, Nature ITSELF is essentially Capitalistic. However, it can work within small groups/communities through willing individuals, and I certanly believe that people have the Right to organize in such fashions as long as they do not violate the Life, Liberty, and Property of anyone else via Force, Fraud, and Theft- which would include, verily, the coercion of others into their Socialism.
I reserve the Right to put a bullet into the head of anyone who would in any way attempt to collectivize me. I hope you know that...


You say that nature itself is capitalistic. I dispute this point and hope you aren't confusing capitalism with the free market. In the 'Wealth of Nations' Adam Smith describes capitalism as a system where land is owned and controlled by landlords, property (meaning the means of production) is owned and controlled by capitalists and the workers work. This isn't nature.  

I like the idea of the 'Invisible hand of the market', but as for landlords owning and controlling land I have grave reservations as the land of the earth can only belong to everyone, like the air and the sea. No-one person or set of individuals made it, why should any one set of individuals own it?

I also reserve the right to put a bullet in the head/knee/back of anyone trying to collectivize me or you.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 05, 2004, 07:13:58 am
ERK!

I just realised that this is totally off topic, want to leave it here or take it elsewhere?
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Morpheus on February 05, 2004, 07:27:35 am
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You say that nature itself is capitalistic. I dispute this point and hope you aren't confusing capitalism with the free market. In the 'Wealth of Nations' Adam Smith describes capitalism as a system where land is owned and controlled by landlords, property (meaning the means of production) is owned and controlled by capitalists and the workers work. This isn't nature.

I do not think within the definition. I accept 'Capitalism' as it has been usurped by advocates of the free Market, but I note the differences of definitions.
If Capitalism is to be spoken of in terms of commerce, or commercialism, then I would contend that it IS the way of Nature, especially if one is to consider Social Darwinism. I'll admit that in this I am sort of embracing the evil stigma placed upon Capitalism by Socialists, but I actually rather enjoy it as it seems fitting [To me as a cold, black-hearted bastard that is].

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I like the idea of the 'Invisible hand of the market', but as for landlords owning and controlling land I have grave reservations as the land of the earth can only belong to everyone, like the air and the sea. No-one person or set of individuals made it, why should any one set of individuals own it?

Ha. Since when do our non-human counterparts care about that, my friend? They take what they will!
I think that you're confusing me with Anarcho-Capitalists; I am actually a Minarchist with a strong desire to delve into Ultra-Minimalistic theory when I have the time to do so. I, too, have my concerns, as Zack Bass has hilariously illustrated in the past, of being closed in and not being allowed exit. Obviously, if SOME form of Government is to exist, then there must be SOME Governmental/Public land, and I am in favour of Right to Passage Law in regards to roads, which I believe should be privatized.
The scope of Geo-Libertarianism is when you begin to lose me- completely. I firmly believe in the private ownership of land. In regards to air and water, massive polluting should definitely be punished, as those entities which would engage in such bring great harm to us all, thereby initiating force. But Public ownership?? Government is the greatest polluter of all. I resist it. As such, I am BillG's worst nightmare.
Please do not tell me that you are with him.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: LeRuineur6 on February 05, 2004, 10:58:05 am
Mostly industrial/gothic music.

Here is my band ranking list from Launch.com.  It's really useful!  :)

My favorites band BY FAR is Nine Inch Nails.

Other bands I like, somewhat ranked by preference are:

Gravity Kills
A Perfect Circle
Ministry
Prodigy
Evanescence
Stabbing Westward
Orgy
Pearl Jam
Marilyn Manson
Rob Zombie
White Zombie
Soundgarden
Propellerheads
Offspring (don't ask me why)
Green Day (don't ask me why)
Garbage (don't ask me why)

Some other somewhat okay bands:

Bush
Live
Stone Temple Pilots

And on Launch.com I've BANNED over 1200 other bands from ever playing again on my Launch Station.  I have a very specific taste in music.   ;D
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Elizabeth on February 05, 2004, 12:16:35 pm
If you're over 21, please don't post in this board.  Thanks.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: LeRuineur6 on February 05, 2004, 12:20:47 pm
If you're over 21, please don't post in this board.  Thanks.

Sorry about that.  I'm 22 and I only posted once because I know the guidelines are supposed to pretty much ban anyone else from the board.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Elizabeth on February 05, 2004, 12:24:15 pm
If you're over 21, please don't post in this board.  Thanks.

Sorry about that.  I'm 22 and I only posted once because I know the guidelines are supposed to pretty much ban anyone else from the board.

No biggie, just a friendly reminder!  ;)
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: citizen_142002 on February 08, 2004, 04:56:30 pm
Maralyn Manson
Mettallica
Godsmack
Disturbed
Greenday
Blink 182
Dropkick Murphey's
Flogging Molly
Rammstein
Alice Cooper
Motley Crue
Steven Lynch
Pennywise
Rush
Neil Young
Nirvana
Tool
Rob Zombie
Some OK bands...
Rage Against the Machine
Mudvayne
Slipknot
NOFX
P.S. If anyone has any good German metal or Industrial MP3's I'd love to get my hands on some. Oh yeah, when is a true Libertarian band gonna emerge and kick some ass?? Not to say that Neil Peart of Rush didn't make a few good Libertarian songs.
P.S.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 09, 2004, 05:02:17 am
I'd say Pennywise were pretty libertarian.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: snoogs on February 24, 2004, 09:27:05 pm
Tool and Stone Temple Pilots own you all.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: 5pectre on February 25, 2004, 06:24:25 am
Tool and Stone Temple Pilots own you all.

Yeah, I've seen Tool in concert, they own totally.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: trailblazer on March 08, 2004, 12:57:40 am
Blondie
The Ramones
Buzzcocks
The Vibrators

And to prove I'm under 21:
The Raveonettes  ;)
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: Munkis0 on March 12, 2004, 05:26:18 pm
I like so much music of many different kinds, but as far as politcal music, System of a Down has got to be it.
Title: Re:Music in the Free State
Post by: liamfreeman on March 12, 2004, 10:57:57 pm
Jazz, blues, bluegrass, and irish traditional music.  Some Dropkick Murhpy and Flogging Molly also.  occasionally rock and roll.  never "pop" and hardly ever rap with the exception of a few songs which i find highly amusing