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Title: Weather
Post by: <Patrick> on November 12, 2003, 05:21:23 pm
My wife and I are moving to the Free State as soon as I get my BA. Could anyone here from New Hampshire tell me a little about the weather and climate, so I know what to expect?
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: SethA on November 12, 2003, 07:48:34 pm
Take a look at www.weatherlook.com a private weather site in NH for some good info. In general the mildest weather is in the Durham-Dover area and around the seacoast.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: <Patrick> on November 17, 2003, 06:01:04 am
Thanks!
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on November 17, 2003, 05:38:53 pm
We've got four seasons just like everywhere else, only more so. Our seasons are:

Mud Season: what other people call Spring. There's an old story about a coupla NH geezers sitting out front of a general store when the saw a small object coming up the muddy lane during one particularly muddy Mud Season. As it got closer, they noticed it was a hat, on the ground, moving along over the mud. As it came up in front of the store, one of the geezers, named Tink Allen, recognised the hat as belonging to his friend, Stumpy Townsend. He got up and waded out to pick up the hat, only to find the head of his friend under the hat.
"Stumpy, wot the heck is it that you're doing down there in the mud?" Tink asked.
"By the geezus, Tink, you wouldn't believe it, but this mud is somethin' wicked, it's so by as my horse is undaneath me."

Summer, known around here as Bug Season: NH would have selected the mosquito as the state bird, but Maine beat us to it. Bug season starts out with the black flies. These are nasty little critters that start to appear in May and in wilder areas persist until the end of June. Mosquitos appear in June and persist, depending on how wet the Bug Season is, till August, sometimes till October. No-see-ums are even smaller than black flies, so small that normally you don't see-um until they've settle down into your skin for a good bite. Then you've got deer flies and horse files to deal with. Horse flies like to harrass your head when you are swimming, and deer flies are common in woody areas in the height of summer. Ticks like to drop on you from trees, and are known to occasionally carry Lyme Disease. The prevalence of ticks varies with the cycles of mice and deer populations and infestations, as well as crops of acorns and beechnuts these animals feed on. On the flip side, lots of bugs means lots of fishing. For the fly fisherman, some of the best fly fishing in the world is here in NH, whether it is lake fishing for bass, perch, sturgeon, lake trout, steelhead and landlocked salmon, or river fishing for brookies, rainbow,  brown trout, or atlantic salmon, as well as seasonal shad (a large sardine variant) runs.

Fall is glorious in NH. Few places in the world compare to fall colors in northern new england. Plus you have hay rides, bonfires, traditional new england trick or treating, apple harvesting, county fairs. Fall is certainly the best season for rural NH. Fall is also hunting season, starting with grouse, duck, woodcock, pheasant, and goose seasons, Turkey seasons in the spring and fall, bear and moose season, bow, muzzleloader, and rifle deer seasons, as well as open seasons on coyote, boar, and several other nuisance species.

Winter is skiing and hockey season, with late winter being the domain of mapling season, when the maple syrup crop is collected.

Temperatures: summer temps have not exceeded 100 in a number of years, typically they peak out in the 90's in late July and early August. Winter temps rarely go below zero F, typically only with occasional blizzards sweeping in from Canada. Winter snow accumulations will range at any given time from a few inches on the ground to as much as 3 feet in the south, and as much as 10 feet in the northern extreme of the state. NH averages higher than typical humidity, and gets 39 inches of precipitation a year.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: <Patrick> on November 24, 2003, 04:50:52 am
Thanks, I appreciate all the detailed information.

Title: Re:Weather
Post by: freedomroad on November 25, 2003, 02:18:09 am
My wife and I are moving to the Free State as soon as I get my BA. Could anyone here from New Hampshire tell me a little about the weather and climate, so I know what to expect?

Note, you might also want to check the 3 climate reports.  They cover all 10 possible states but include much detail on NH.

http://freestateproject.org/climate.htm

http://freestateproject.org/climateaddendum.htm

http://freestateproject.org/climate3.htm
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: beyond_mediocrity on December 06, 2003, 12:37:41 am
How about road conditions especially during winter?  Is it horrible?  Were there any floods that took place there recently?

Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on December 06, 2003, 11:16:13 am
No, not that I am aware of. We have had lots of rain all year, so the ground is saturated. If we get lots of snow this winter I expect that the thaw in spring will bring some flooding.

The state of NH takes very good care of its roads, a fact which is commented on by many travel publications and reviewers. Our plow crews are on 24 hour standby in winter and are always going around salting and sanding. The only thing to be concerned about is that they plow so frequently that I sometimes see flatlanders run off the road because they get overconfident and hit an occasional patch of black ice. A cleared road does not mean you can safely operate at or above the posted speed limit in the winter.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: JasonM on December 06, 2003, 06:25:14 pm
I wont be moving to New Hampshire during the winter, I can tell you that ;).  


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/12/06/winter.storm/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/12/06/winter.storm/index.html)
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20031206_966.html (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20031206_966.html)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/05/national/main587033.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/05/national/main587033.shtml)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/1001590.asp?0cv=CA01 (http://www.msnbc.com/news/1001590.asp?0cv=CA01)
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on December 06, 2003, 08:40:41 pm
Aw, well, it is certainly a good excuse to call in sick and just sit by the fire...
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Protoman on December 14, 2003, 08:10:56 am
What is the summer heat like? Is it muggy and humid or moderate?

Do you have to deal with a lot of fleas or ants?

Those things really pestered me in california but I'm glad the weather is too cold where I now live in Washington state.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on December 14, 2003, 02:51:41 pm
What is the summer heat like? Is it muggy and humid or moderate?

Do you have to deal with a lot of fleas or ants?

Those things really pestered me in california but I'm glad the weather is too cold where I now live in Washington state.

Summers can be muggy, especially when the wind dies, but not always, though temps don't generally go over the mid 90's in the peak of summer. Last time it was over 100 was when I was a youngster. Dogs without protection who spend time outdoors can pick up fleas. Ants are only a problem if you do not store your food and clean your kitchen properly. The cold winters keep these populations in check here.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Non-Conformer on January 15, 2004, 10:22:11 am
YIKES!!!!    :o
It's 30 below zero today in NH!   I had one helluva time convincing my wife to move to NH for the cause of freedom.  But this blizzard isn't helping things one bit!
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: JasonPSorens on January 15, 2004, 10:26:18 am
YIKES!!!!    :o
It's 30 below zero today in NH!   I had one helluva time convincing my wife to move to NH for the cause of freedom.  But this blizzard isn't helping things one bit!


Nah, it's only -3 in Manchester according to weather.com, wind chill -20.  Wind chill is -8 here in New Haven, and it's snowing, but I've already walked a mile and a half in it today.  No problemo! ;D
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: LeRuineur6 on January 15, 2004, 10:26:37 am
It's -30 to -50 here in Vermont right now.

bleh.

Do NOT be discouraged!  Last winter and this winter are the worst Vermont has seen in several decades.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Karl on January 15, 2004, 10:36:05 am
It's -30 to -50 here in Vermont right now.

bleh.

Do NOT be discouraged!  Last winter and this winter are the worst Vermont has seen in several decades.

That CAN'T be right!  I have been told we are experiencing "global warming" by many people.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: LeRuineur6 on January 15, 2004, 11:31:47 am
That CAN'T be right!  I have been told we are experiencing "global warming" by many people.

Yeah, probably by the same people who say that carbon dioxide, which kills no one, is worse than smog, which kills 200,000 people per year across the globe.  Under this logic, a Volkswagen Beetle Turbo Diesel Injection engine is good for the environment because of the higher gas milage, even though it gives off 50-times more smog than my Honda Insight.  :)
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on January 15, 2004, 12:01:37 pm
If there is global warming, I want to know what globe they are talking about.

Now, I'm at 1230 feet altitude at the moment, so I'm a bit above the snowline. I hear the lower elevations are snow-less and a bit warmer. However, it is so cold today that my Labrador does not like going outside just to pee. Labs were bred to LIKE the cold.
I normally have to keep her on a leash when we go out, else she will run off and have fun all day, get in trouble, etc. Today I had to keep her on a leash to keep her out long enough to do her business.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: George Reich on January 15, 2004, 01:22:43 pm
Here in Dover it was a balmy +1 degree F when I went out for lunch. The sun felt nice, though.  8)
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Garthnak on January 15, 2004, 01:53:21 pm
And here in Fullerton, California, it's 62 degrees.  And folks around here consider that "cold".

Honestly, the weather in NH is the main reason people I know look at me like I'm crazy when I say I'm going to be moving to New Hampshire.  It's very difficult to leave this beautiful weather behind.  I know that NH has it's own beautiful seasons, but for someone accustomed to temperature ranges of 50 to 100, it's a frightening proposition.  Our blood is not prepared for the shock of a long, cold winter.  It will take quite a bit of time (I surmise) to adapt.

But liberty is worth it.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Penfist on January 15, 2004, 02:33:36 pm
Larger Canadian cities have thought of the answer to winter. Most of their downtown buildings are connected by walkways and underground tunnels. It's very easy to spend an entire winter indoors without ever putting on a jacket.

No reason why the same thing couldn't happen in New Hampshire.

And here in Fullerton, California, it's 62 degrees.  And folks around here consider that "cold".

Honestly, the weather in NH is the main reason people I know look at me like I'm crazy when I say I'm going to be moving to New Hampshire.  It's very difficult to leave this beautiful weather behind.  I know that NH has it's own beautiful seasons, but for someone accustomed to temperature ranges of 50 to 100, it's a frightening proposition.  Our blood is not prepared for the shock of a long, cold winter.  It will take quite a bit of time (I surmise) to adapt.

But liberty is worth it.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on January 15, 2004, 03:14:28 pm
Well, we do dress warmly and stay inside as much as possible. Eventually you get used to it, esp if you get into winter sports like skiing and/or snowmobiling, hockey, etc.
Just crank up the stove and stay indoors.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: freedomroad on January 15, 2004, 04:36:56 pm
I heard on the Weather channel that it was going to be colder than -100 with the wind cool on Mt. Washington (-25 in Manchester) today.  Is there any time of year when people can actually climb Mt. Washington?

I guess the FSP should put out most of its ads in the Spring, Summer, and Fall and do mostly planning in the Winter.  In Memphis it was 62 yesterday and the next couple days are 50 and 57 for highs.  Much of the country is even warmer.  I could not imagine moving to NH in the Winter.

If nothing else, the cold winter weather will hurt the FSP's ability to recruit from the large pool of poor urban anarchist that often move from city to city.
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: George Reich on January 15, 2004, 04:56:37 pm
Is there any time of year when people can actually climb Mt. Washington?

Sure, people climb Mount Washington throughout the year. Hiking can be done in the winter. One of the nicest hikes I ever did was a trek up Mount Major last February. The temperature was about -5 degrees that day, and windy too, but I had a great time anyway. Dress properly and you're good to go. (Those who do not dress properly often perish on Mt. Washington, though.)  :o
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: FreeBoB on January 15, 2004, 04:59:11 pm
Having been born in MA and lived in RI and now NY, I am used to the seasons.  I enjoy them, though I do spend most of my days indoors in the coldest of the winter.  A walk to the post office with my dog is enough of the cold weather for me.  Seasons come and go fast, like life, but most of the year is very, very pleasant here in the Northeast!  If you care more about weather than freedom, don't move, or you could just wait for freedom to spread...maybe it will reach CA by 2050!
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: mark on January 16, 2004, 07:59:17 am
Larger Canadian cities have thought of the answer to winter. Most of their downtown buildings are connected by walkways and underground tunnels. It's very easy to spend an entire winter indoors without ever putting on a jacket.

No reason why the same thing couldn't happen in New Hampshire.


Don't worry guys, I'll have plenty of indoor water parks (http://www.monolithicdome.com/gallery/commercial/water/) ready for ya in the Monadnock Valley Development. Complete with Hootersesqe hostesses in sling-shot bikinis. Hey, I know the FSP demographics.  ;)
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: mark on January 16, 2004, 08:01:04 am
If you care more about weather than freedom, don't move, or you could just wait for freedom to spread...maybe it will reach CA by 2050!


Nah, California will have fallen into the Pacific ocean by then. Or covered in 10 feet of volcanic ash when the state of Wyoming explodes.  ::)
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: lloydbob1 on January 16, 2004, 10:28:03 am
60 degrees F.
Southern Californians shiver uncontollably.
People in New Hampshire sunbathe.

50*F.
New Yorkers try to turn on the heat.
People in New Hampshire plant gardens.

40*F.
Italian & English cars won't start.
People in New Hampshire drive with the windows open.

32*F.
Distilled water freezes.
Lake Winnipesaukee's water gets thicker.

20*F.
Floridians don coats, thermal underware, gloves and fur hats.
People in New Hampshire put on a flannel shirt.

15*F.
New York landlords finally turn up the heat.
People in New Hampshire have the last cookout before it gets cold.

0*F.
All the people in Miami die.
People in New Hampshire close their windows.

10* below zero
Californians fly away to Mexico.
Girl Scouts in New Hampshire sell cookies door to door.

25* below zero
Hollywood disintergrates.
People in New Hampshire get out their winter coats.

40* below zero
Washington D.C. runs out of hot air.
People in New Hampshire let the dogs sleep indoors.

100* below zero
Santa Claus abandons the North Pole.
People in New Hampshire get frustrated because they can't start their "Kahs".

400* below zero
All atomic motion stops ( absolute zero on the Kelvin scale).
People in New Hampshire start saying..."Cold 'nuff for Ya?"

500* below zero
Hell freezes over.  The Red Sox win the World Series!

Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Mike Lorrey on January 16, 2004, 12:31:12 pm
FANTASTIC! Where did you get this?
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: lloydbob1 on January 16, 2004, 02:42:48 pm
FANTASTIC! Where did you get this?

I appropriated it from an email sent to me, changed it from New Englanders to People from NH.
LLoyd
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: Tony Stelik on January 16, 2004, 04:02:03 pm
LOL
But seriously......
I went for vacation / 30-th universary - honey moon all around NH (from Portsmouth through Berlin to Canadian boarder, during 12/26 -12/31 in the anticipation I will see winter. Well I did not see it.
Few days ago I was again in NH (during current winter attack). It is cooler than in CT by few deg. but not big deal.
If I compare to my old country wether, it is like Florida :D
Title: Re:Weather
Post by: DadELK68 on January 16, 2004, 11:31:05 pm
There is something invigorating about being challenged by the elements, even if it only involves taking the trash to the street (we pay for private pick-up weekly or take it to the town transfer station ourselves here in NH) or scraping the windshield while waiting for the seatwarmer to kick in...

Eric
Title: Ack! It's 10 degrees, -9 with the windchill in NH
Post by: Dozer on January 17, 2004, 01:48:11 am
-9 tonight in NH with the windchill BRRRRRR!! :o
Title: Re:Ack! It's 10 degrees, -9 with the windchill in NH
Post by: SBottari on January 17, 2004, 02:30:29 am
Still warmer than it was here in Minnesota a couple weeks ago: -14 with -30 wind chill.  I'm moving somewhere warmer when I move to NH!
Title: Re:Ack! It's 10 degrees, -9 with the windchill in NH
Post by: Mike Lorrey on January 17, 2004, 04:23:32 pm
Ah, you speak too soon. It was -18 here the other day, PLUS windchill it was about -35 (I'm at 1230 ft elevation). Today was much better, around 5-10. The chocolate lab was enjoying hereself again (not beating me back to the house as she was).
It drops pretty well every evening, enough to precipitate whatever moisture is in the air, we get an inch or two of snow every night.
Title: Re:Ack! It's 10 degrees, -9 with the windchill in NH
Post by: thegotoguy on January 17, 2004, 11:26:18 pm
I heard the wind chill was -90 up at Mt. Washington, NH a few nights ago.

It was -40 (wind chill) in Concord where I was staying a few nights ago.  For the first time ever, my diesel truck fuel gelled on me.  Luckily, with some persuasion, I got it started.

Chris
Title: Re:Ack! It's 10 degrees, -9 with the windchill in NH
Post by: DadELK68 on January 20, 2004, 08:37:33 am
Look on the bright side - when I walked out of my office (in Londonderry NH) last night into the night air with the temperature in the teens, it felt almost balmy. I didn't even have to wear my gloves or zip my coat as the car warmed up on the drive home.

It's all relative...

Eric