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Title: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Tracy Saboe on October 17, 2003, 05:16:14 pm
How would one go about purchasing bandwidth so they could start a radio or tv station or something?

Licencing?

Dealing with the FCC ?

Anyway, I think it would be wonderfull to broadcast libertarian Radio into Vermount, Mass, and Main. Maybe help to spread liberty?

But also to spread liberty ideals to the population of NH as well.

Maybe the NH libertarian party could buy a radio station.

Tracy
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 17, 2003, 10:25:55 pm
     With six years experience in the radio industry, I'd be very interested in this.  I've always wanted to run a station, but I've never wanted to deal with the bureaucratic mess that is the FCC.  It costs a few thousand dollars just to APPLY for a licence.  Not to mention the thousands you have to spend on engineering studies, fees, and more.
     It's easiest to purchase an existing station, but that has it's problems as well.
     I'd like to see a 50,000 watt AM station broadcasting out of central, or southern NH.  People could pick up that signal far outside of NH, especially at night.  Though I don't know if the FCC is even giving out AM licenses at that wattage.
     Another option would be a network of smaller, lower wattage AMs or FMs spread throughout the state.
     There aren't very many options for talk radio in New Hampshire (so we wouldn't have much competition), and the biggest wattage AM station is 10,000.  However, I don't know how the Canadian border affects licensing.  Most of the AM stations cut power like CRAZY at night.  I think the border may factor in to that.
     It's worth looking in to.

Regards,
Ian
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Tracy Saboe on October 18, 2003, 01:41:16 am
Frankly FCC shouldn't have any jurisdiction whatsoever, constitutionally speaking, unless the broadcast crosses state lines.

My hope is that perhaps NH can practice some state nulification and declare NH a FCC free zone.

But broadcasting across state lines, you'd still definetly have to deal with it. (The misinterpretted interstate commerce clause)

Instead of licencing which has to be done by the government, which in turn is bound to infring on freedom of speach (which it does.) Property rights for the band widths sohuld be set up. Either that, or simply let the transmitter with the most power win.

See
http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=1982

Tracy
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FreeBoB on October 18, 2003, 09:44:21 am
Deep, deep pockets are needed to get into the radio ownership game!  I was in radio in programming, DJ, engineering, construction, and production for 20 years. Non-commercial and commercial rock & roll radio taught me a great deal about the business. It sure was lots of fun, but I left radio because of low pay and the need for a quieter life!  Introducing bands at 11pm in a club and getting up at 4am to go on the air wears thin as one gets older!
I'll bet we could secure a liberty-oriented talk show or three at many NH AM stations. There are many, many liberty-oriented talk shows now across the US.  Online streaming makes many of them accessible to us, as listeners of Jerry Hughes on ARN or Neal Boortz will attest. There is good list at the Advocates for Self- Government site: http://freedomkeys.com/radio.htm
I would love to moonlight in radio once again - I'll stay tuned...
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 18, 2003, 02:28:02 pm
White:  LPFM is a joke, by the way.

Tracy:  I like the idea of trying to nullify the FCC, but you'll face a lot of opposition from the National Association of Broadcasters, so get ready for that fight.  I don't want it to seem I support the FCC.  I don't.  I was just informing on the status quo.

FreeBob:  I plan on having my show on the air in NH.  http://freetalklive.com

Regards,
Ian
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: citizen_142002 on October 18, 2003, 02:30:18 pm
I've wondered about setting up a Lib. radio or TV station for a while now. I'm not from the seacoast region so I've got to ask if the seacoast or Manchester has public access TV? As far as raising money for a Lib. radio station do we have any station owners already in the FSP? We could also ask free state members for a donation even if the process and initial maintenace of an AM or FM station cost 40,000 dollars we could pay for that at less than 10 dollars from each current member or two dollars and fifty cents from total membership. That's much much cheaper than an annual donation to public radio.
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Tracy Saboe on October 18, 2003, 02:33:25 pm
What about short wave?

Anyway, this just goes to show that the only reason monopolies exist is because government sets them up.

Tracy
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 18, 2003, 03:29:07 pm
     Shortwave is a niche in the U.S., worldwide, a different story.  Most radio listeners are driving.  Shortwave is just not practical.  And at the wattages that LPFM will be running at, it's not practical either.

     A real life AM, FM, or both is the only viable option.

Regards,
Ian
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FreeBoB on October 19, 2003, 11:29:44 am
Our best bets combine low or no cost options and existing facilities.  Become a part of what's already out there, such as:
- being guests on radio, cable access & TV shows
- securing a weekly show on AM or FM radio supported by ads. Radio and TV owners will allow talk radio shows when there are ads to make them money and fit into the overall format.
- hosting cable access TV shows
- archiving audio & video on our websites so visitors can listen and watch at their convenience... example:  

 link  (http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=libertarian&image1.x=20&image1.y=10)

(CSPAN video search for libertarian) and audio/video now on FSP website news listing.
The costs of licensing, facilities, and personnel are huge! Just a radio tower alone can cost hundreds of thousands or more...buying an existing station can be millions.  Then, of course, the operating expenses...

Ian, I like your style!

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Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: rdeacon on October 20, 2003, 09:18:33 am
We've been talking about something similar to this on the strategy forums.  I am interested in setting up something at Manchester's cable access station.  Yes, I know its public access and therefore evil, but its a means to an end.  I will be contacting a main contact person in Manchester to set this up, but I encourage all porcs to help us out, especially porcs who are already "in state" and would be willing to donate a little time to the cause.  We have yet to settle on a format.  I'm aiming for a "politically incorrect" or "mchlaughlin" style forum show, but I'm sure that others have other ideas.  If you're interested in helping out, email me at jdsomma@yahoo.com
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Roycerson on December 03, 2003, 10:11:34 pm
I'll volunteer a weekly show.  How hard is it to get airtime on existing non-profit stations?
They've done wonderful things with Camcorders and streaming video
at www.pot-tv.net  The success of the BC Marijuana party and the volume of Mark Emery's seed distribution are definitely related to their pot-tv website where I've been watching shows about marijuana for several years now.  
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: citizen_142002 on December 20, 2003, 11:17:08 pm
What about getting investors, like venture capitalists to get us started witha station. I know Boston based stations can get picked up in much of southern NH, why not do the same visa versa. Commercial rock stations have done it from Manchester. The MALP initiative on repaelaing the income tax fail 45% to 55%, think of what we could do to spread liberty.
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: mark on December 21, 2003, 10:00:18 am
The NRA was in the news awhile back due to them looking to create a TV channel. Maybe work with them? I'd love the see NRA-TV flooding the airwaves of southern NH and Masshole.  ;D
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Tracy Saboe on December 21, 2003, 08:45:22 pm
NRA TV

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott23.html

Tracy
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: mark on December 24, 2003, 01:22:42 am
There is a township in Cheshire county, right on the Mass border.


It's called the town of Winchester.  :D


There is a mountain in Winchester with a radio tower.


It's called Gun Mountain.  ;D


Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Mike Lorrey on December 24, 2003, 06:23:39 pm
How would one go about purchasing bandwidth so they could start a radio or tv station or something?

Licencing?

Dealing with the FCC ?

Anyway, I think it would be wonderfull to broadcast libertarian Radio into Vermount, Mass, and Main. Maybe help to spread liberty?

But also to spread liberty ideals to the population of NH as well.

Maybe the NH libertarian party could buy a radio station.

HA! Care to make a donation?  LPNH treasury statement at the last Convention was somewhere around $20k, as I recall, which is much better today than it was in the past when the National bled the state parties dry on a regular basis.

We have changed our bylaws so that non-residents can become LPNH members, pay dues, contribute to the party, etc. I encourage anybody who wants to to join and contribute.

A libertarian radio station is a great idea, I'd settle for a daily radio show. There are plenty of Libertarian leaning radio hosts (as I recall, Gary Nolan is one, and he's pledged to move here) so the only problem is getting them airtime on talk radio stations here.
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: mark on December 24, 2003, 09:25:46 pm
Mike, maybe try to get Gary Nolan an appearance spot on Terri Dudley's show? If it happens around primary time it might help get some write-in spoiler votes.  :D
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Dawn on December 28, 2003, 11:22:16 pm
Our best bets combine low or no cost options and existing facilities.  Become a part of what's already out there, such as:
- being guests on radio, cable access & TV shows
- securing a weekly show on AM or FM radio supported by ads. Radio and TV owners will allow talk radio shows when there are ads to make them money and fit into the overall format.
- hosting cable access TV shows
- archiving audio & video on our websites so visitors can listen and watch at their convenience...

I think these are all excellent ideas that we all should take part in once we land in NH!

IMHO, the time and money necessary to start a new tv/radio station could be much better spent using the existing structures.
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: KornJoleo on January 20, 2004, 11:26:45 am
What about a system of LPFM stations run by FSP members whose content is streamed via the internet?  Would this kind of "simulcasting" be legal?

Could we hope to generate enough content to sustain a system of "noncommercial" stations?  And does anyone with experience here know what the outlay is for an individual to set up an LPFM station on the cheap?

My guess is, a commercial venture of some sort (we are capitalists after all) or liberty-oriented shows on several AM stations is a better bet.  AM stations around here are dying for cheap programming.
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FTL_Ian on January 21, 2004, 01:40:53 am
Korn,

     Interesting idea.  If the FCC feels like allowing LPFM in NH.  I haven't been keeping up on it, to be honest.

Regards,
Ian
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Mike Lorrey on January 21, 2004, 11:25:13 am
Mike, maybe try to get Gary Nolan an appearance spot on Terri Dudley's show? If it happens around primary time it might help get some write-in spoiler votes.  :D

Is Gary around?
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: mark on January 23, 2004, 07:14:10 pm
I don't know. Maybe get in touch with Joey Dauben who is Gary's student coordinator. He might know the Nolan campaign's schedual.
Title: Re:Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: RidleyReport on January 25, 2004, 04:27:45 pm
Related issue being discussed at

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=30;action=display;threadid=684
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: KDus on March 23, 2008, 04:47:13 pm
Pirate operators have to piss off a LOT of people to even get the attention of the FCC, let alone get shut down.  There is still time to use our pirate gear before the HD technology takes over.
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: smeg on March 24, 2008, 03:20:50 pm
i don't know if this would help at all, but:

i've been looking for a job in media, being that i have 9 years of film school (focus on documentary) and 6 years of experience in everything from feature films, reality tv, and video journalism.  if a job doesn't come up soon in my field (which, there aren't many options here), i'll be taking a temp job... but i'd be willing to use my education/experience/gear to help where i could, so i could continue gaining experience for future job opportunities. 

i have a dvx100b w/ external shotgun mic, and final cut studio... if anyone needs me, just send an email ;)
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: mattbarney on March 25, 2008, 08:01:00 pm
There's an interesting movement by two of the innovative Ron Paul "Money Bomb" and "Blimp" guys to start a pro-freedom media company.  This website has details, and you can sign up for buying the stock, once the company is formed

http://www.breakthematrix.com/
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 26, 2008, 10:22:24 am
Trevor Lyman (from breakthematrix) has not returned my phone call or e-mail. I won't pretend to know anything about the allegations of him being a scam artist, but I must say they don't make him sound very good.

There is one thing that certainly bothers me and that is that a big todo was made about him joining the Free State Project and being the 500th member in New Hampshire, and now from what I understand he has moved to Los Angeles? To be sure, I've only heard this through the rumor mill, but if it's true it really seems to show a lack of commitment as well as flightiness.

Just the fact that in their most recent e-mail they mention opening a Hollywood studio shows me that they have no idea what they're doing.

I wish them the best of luck in their efforts and hope that they prove me wrong and create the most successful liberty media outlet, ever. Certainly someone can do it better than me.
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Denis Goddard on March 27, 2008, 09:58:42 pm
I'm on the same page as Ian on this one.
Starting up a media company to simply become the MSM in one fell swoop is HIGHLY ambitious... in the same sense that the country of Lichtenstein attempting to take over China would be HIGHLY ambitious.

I wish them well also, but I don't see their efforts as being tractable or practical. I'd prefer to score real, attainable, short-term victories, and build on those. Like getting a bunch of local libertarian media to raise public awareness in the cities & towns across one small, already libertarian-leaning state... like FTL, ATG, FMTV, KFP, MFP, LR&C, YSH, NHCapTV, and others(!) are already doing here (and we could use many more!)

Like getting libertarians elected to local offices all over the state. And then, getting a few libertarians elected to State office... followed by a few more... and then a few more.

We lost freedom incrementally. It seems clear to me that we can get it back incrementally. We're already heading down that path.

I prefer continuous improvement to indefinitely delayed perfection.
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 28, 2008, 08:03:54 pm
Anyone know if it's true he's left NH for CA?

If so, it seems he played the FSP for the publicity they would give him for being the "500th in-state participant".
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Dreepa on March 28, 2008, 09:35:57 pm
Anyone know if it's true he's left NH for CA?


I can find out.
Title: Re: Libertarian Radio, TV, etc.
Post by: Keyser Soce on April 01, 2008, 12:55:09 am
Anyone know if it's true he's left NH for CA?


I can find out.

I'm interested myself since I was considering participating.