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Title: A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RidleyReport on September 06, 2003, 12:21:29 am
When I was a teenager my whole family and I used to watch Magnum, P.I.  "Magnum" used to say he had a little voice which, if he listened to it, told him what was really going on, what was likely to happen in the future, etc.

I have a little voice like that, too, although it's only accurate maybe 1/3rd of the time.   For instance, I remember when the whole Y2K scare was going on...my little voice basically said "The Y2K thing will get a lot of people to improve their preparedness, then nothing will happen.  Preparedness will be discredited, folks will ditch their disaster kits and generators....and *then* something will happen."

And of course that more or less came to pass.  However I never wrote downt that prediction anywhere while it was still just a prediction.

Now I'd like to start... this is where I'll record my "little voice" premonition and we'll see if it's worth listening to as the years unfold.

Post your premonitions too, if you like!



 
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RidleyReport on September 06, 2003, 12:32:36 am
OK guys bear in mind that these are just instinctive premontions, not something I have any evidence for.

Here's one...which I hope is wrong.

I have a nagging fear that something will happen with the "Which State" vote, i.e. some kind of Bush-Gore type dispute as to which state won.

Another one...this falls into the "what's really going on" category:

I have this proto-theory that maybe the Bush administration has us in Iraq because they would rather have the bad guys focusing all their attacks on our boys in Iraq rather than our civilians in the States.  Presumably we're better equipped to handle attacks there than we are in handling them all over the U.S.  Kind of like a forward base that draws all the fire while HQ stays relatively safe.   Never heard this suggested anywhere, which I guess makes it more worth mentioning.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on September 06, 2003, 10:50:28 am
My "little voice" says a few things sometimes:

-Ditty about the Which State vote, but evidence suggests something may occur due to a low voter turnout, so this is not entirely a premonition.

-Often I get the feeling that another 9/11 will happen soon and it will be much, much worse than 9/11.  Many people I know feel the same way because of OBL's warning in February of this year that he will carry out "an act of martyrdom later this year in the belly of the Eagle."

-I have premonitions about a terrorist blowing up one of the dams around Baghdad which will flood the entire city and kill everyone in it including my friend who is currently serving in the Army.   :-\

-Sometimes I fear that some unprecedented geological event will happen soon.  Many people fear such an event may occur soon, however, so this is nothing original.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Elizabeth on September 07, 2003, 09:46:56 am
My "little voice" says a few things sometimes:

-Ditty about the Which State vote, but evidence suggests something may occur due to a low voter turnout, so this is not entirely a premonition.

What evidence?
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on September 07, 2003, 12:00:04 pm
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What evidence?

Jason said not many had returned their ballots yet.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Elizabeth on September 07, 2003, 12:09:20 pm
Right, but most people had just gotten them -- most ballots were received in the last week of August.  The deadline isn't until Sept 22.  Don't you think it's premature to worry?
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Scott ISMP on September 07, 2003, 12:29:46 pm
my "little voice" always try to interfer with my soical life!  :P

no really though I get these "little voices" alot out of no where I would get one of these.  Usally they are about someone getting in care accidents, someone getting hurt, dead.  

then there is alot of other weird stuff like that.  When I get a little voice saying there is a car accident then like 5 minutes later when I drive by I see this car strike head first into a tree =/ this is just one example of this.

I also listen to my "little voice" if it says dont go some where at that time, and I usally wont I found out that if I dont something bad happends to me or the people I am with.

Scott
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on September 11, 2003, 12:07:40 pm
-Often I get the feeling that another 9/11 will happen soon and it will be much, much worse than 9/11.  Many people I know feel the same way because of OBL's warning in February of this year that he will carry out "an act of martyrdom later this year in the belly of the Eagle."

"According to an August USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll survey, about 80 percent of those asked said they expect another major terror attack."

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/10/news/companies/wtc_survival/index.htm

Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RidleyReport on September 26, 2003, 11:02:27 pm

One of my little voices has been telling me sometimes that maybe MT will win despite its poor statistics.  The reason:  When I mention the idea of a Free State to people they always seem to leap to the conclusion that it would be Montana.  A lot of our votes will come from folks who give it no more than that first-glance thought.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: bIlluminati on October 23, 2003, 12:51:41 am
I have a little voice in my head, too. Sometimes it tells me to do things. Like on August 15, 2003, it told me to read www.freerepublic.com, so I did. I then saw this rant by Dada Orwell. I thought: 1984 in reverse - does that make it 1948? Naw.

[A quiet man who kept to himself] is not yet available in bookstores. I heard that April 18, 1995.

Bill Clinton is Rasputin reincarnated. I forget when I heard that. Maybe the little voice will remind me.

My little voice says that freaky things will happen in the year 2012. See "The Year of the Jackpot" by Robert Heinlein for details.

Sometimes I think I am imagining all this Free State stuff, and that I'm really an extra in "The Matrix". But then I get bills in the mail.

Today is the 23rd. Other famous 23rds in history: Patrick Henry gave a speech 23 March 1885, in Richmond, Virginia. It ends with the phrase "Leave me alone or just frelking kill me."

 23 December 1913: A day that will live in infamy (Federal Reserve Act becomes law)



Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 03, 2004, 07:53:45 pm
My little voice has a five year lead time, meaning what my voice says will happen, happens in five years. Three years ago my voice said a viable means for extracting hydrogen from water would be found. Two years to go!!
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: j_freeman on July 04, 2004, 02:16:46 am
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It ends with the phrase "Leave me alone or just frelking kill me."

"Frelking" or "freaking"? What in Sam Hill does "frelking" mean? ???
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: antayla on July 05, 2004, 03:41:28 am
My little voice tells me that there will be another depression when oil production peaks in 2010 or so, which in combination with the housing crash... could be a very interesting and potential devestating economic period of time.  Also, if global warming is real it will probably suck because of that too... with flooding and drought and nasty diseases.  I wager alot of our population problem will vanish; and alot of that population will be urban population (possibly even me.  Doh.)  I think we will use up so much oil fighting and fueling a consumer culture that we will not have enough to build the next power system (wind or solar) and will spend the next century or two recovering from that, trying to rebuild our skillset and desperately seeking other forms of power.

Ah, but hey, what can I do :)
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Jhogun on July 05, 2004, 12:21:14 pm
When Clinton was in office and we had all those school shootings, my little voice suggested the possibility that the Clinton administration had been behind them in an effort to get the American people more willing to accept gun control.  (Remember in "1984" how the government of Oceania shot missiles at their own people?)

Notice how the shootings have dropped off since Bush got in office.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: nonluddite on July 05, 2004, 03:37:29 pm
My little voice tells me that there will be another depression when oil production peaks in 2010 or so, which in combination with the housing crash... could be a very interesting and potential devestating economic period of time.  Also, if global warming is real it will probably suck because of that too... with flooding and drought and nasty diseases.  I wager alot of our population problem will vanish; and alot of that population will be urban population (possibly even me.  Doh.)  I think we will use up so much oil fighting and fueling a consumer culture that we will not have enough to build the next power system (wind or solar) and will spend the next century or two recovering from that, trying to rebuild our skillset and desperately seeking other forms of power.

Ah, but hey, what can I do :)

My little voice says that while crude oil production may peak, the amount of gasoline and other products will continue to rise until a subsitute is competitive--it also says that even if global warming is true, we can't do anything about it anyway...

BTW, what type of culture DOESN'T consume?  A dead one?  :P
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: antayla on July 05, 2004, 03:54:35 pm
BTW, what type of culture DOESN'T consume?  A dead one?  :P

Er, that was innaccurate of me.  I meant inefficient consumption.  Throwaway clothing, walmart-quality crap that ends up in landfills, toy fads, excessive packaging. If people spent a little more and bought quality the first time around I think we'd use half as much resources.  Also, building to recycle in the first place would help.  Do you know how much crap is made out of oil?
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Herself on July 11, 2004, 08:06:15 pm
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It ends with the phrase "Leave me alone or just frelking kill me."

"Frelking" or "freaking"? What in Sam Hill does "frelking" mean? ???
    Frelk, Frelked, -ing, as invented by SF writer Samuel R. Delany in one of his better short stories (see his collection Driftglass, et al.) refers both to persons attracted to a group of astronauts who (for reasons logical within the story) have had their sexual devopment arrested prior to puberty, and/or whatever it was such persons ultimately sought to do with such astronauts, which was a mystery even to the astronauts themselves.  "Frelk" was applied to persons as a term of insult in addition to being used as a verb.  The term has found some use within the community of fen (SF fans, esp. the more active sort).  As it is obscure to the point of meaninglessness and shares initial and final phonemes with a well-known obscene word, it can be very useful in certain situations.  (Compare with "gorram" from the short-lived television series -- and forthcoming feature film -- Firefly).

     Aren't you glad you asked?  My own little voice says Ayn Rand Syndrome is "the inability to use five words when five hundred will do."  I've no idea what it means.

     --Herself
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 11, 2004, 08:15:56 pm
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My own little voice says Ayn Rand Syndrome is "the inability to use five words when five hundred will do."  I've no idea what it means.

     --Herself

Do all politicians suffer from Ayn Rand Syndrome? Sure seems that way.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Herself on July 11, 2004, 08:27:32 pm
No, no, 5th -- mainstream politicos suffer from excessive obfuscation syndrome.  The thing about ARS is, it all makes some kind of sense while going on a lot longer than most readers would have preferred.  At considerable length, in fact, which...  Oh, dear.

     --H

   ;)
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 11, 2004, 08:30:53 pm
No, no, 5th -- mainstream politicos suffer from excessive obfuscation syndrome.  The thing about ARS is, it all makes some kind of sense while going on a lot longer than most readers would have preferred.  At considerable length, in fact, which...  Oh, dear.

     --H

   ;)

A politicians mantra: Be at one (or two) with your obfuscation.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: SteveA on July 11, 2004, 09:53:50 pm
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   Aren't you glad you asked?  My own little voice says Ayn Rand Syndrome is "the inability to use five words when five hundred will do."  I've no idea what it means.

Hey, I heard that!  Ah, too true.  Let me explain why .... blah, blah, blah ... because without sufficient explaination ... blah, blah, blah ... and so Rand necessarily ... etc. ... blah, blah ... so it's obviously due to too much coffee and free time.

(See how much more convincing a long discussion is?)

;) 8)
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 11, 2004, 09:58:45 pm
Brevity is the essence of wit.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Pat K on July 11, 2004, 10:58:29 pm
Brevity is wit.  ;D
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Herself on July 12, 2004, 12:45:49 am
it is?
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: SteveA on July 12, 2004, 02:35:33 am
yes
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 12, 2004, 08:48:24 am
!!
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: antayla on July 12, 2004, 12:29:45 pm
*sigh*
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on July 13, 2004, 02:17:07 pm
My little voice tells me that there will be another depression when oil production peaks in 2010 or so, which in combination with the housing crash... could be a very interesting and potential devestating economic period of time.
...
I think we will use up so much oil fighting and fueling a consumer culture that we will not have enough to build the next power system (wind or solar) and will spend the next century or two recovering from that, trying to rebuild our skillset and desperately seeking other forms of power.

Consumerism is the opposite of capitalism.  The less we make of the stuff we use, the more we depend on others, and the more fragile we are to economic downturns.

We need to make more of the stuff we use.  Period.  Those who make most of what they use hardly even notice the most drastic economic depression.

Check out "This Ugly Civilization" by Ralph Borsodi for more info on that.  (Be prepared for some old-conservative sexism in the book though, it was written long ago.)
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: nonluddite on July 13, 2004, 07:37:54 pm
My little voice tells me that there will be another depression when oil production peaks in 2010 or so, which in combination with the housing crash... could be a very interesting and potential devestating economic period of time.
...
I think we will use up so much oil fighting and fueling a consumer culture that we will not have enough to build the next power system (wind or solar) and will spend the next century or two recovering from that, trying to rebuild our skillset and desperately seeking other forms of power.

Consumerism is the opposite of capitalism.  The less we make of the stuff we use, the more we depend on others, and the more fragile we are to economic downturns.

We need to make more of the stuff we use.  Period.  Those who make most of what they use hardly even notice the most drastic economic depression.

Check out "This Ugly Civilization" by Ralph Borsodi for more info on that.  (Be prepared for some old-conservative sexism in the book though, it was written long ago.)

No, division of labor is part of capitalism!  If I had to grow all of my own food, what time would I have to go to work--wouldn't we just turn the clock back to the pre-21st century, or the Middle Ages?  Even Communism has division of labor, at least in small groups!
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RhythmStar on July 14, 2004, 11:46:07 am
I think we need to be careful with the semantics -- division of labor is not part of Capitalism at all, but is a naturally emerging phenom, a consequence of people's individual actions (I spend some time making more program code, because I can buy better food from the farmer than I can grow, and get more money for the code I can make in that time than the worth of the food I might have produced).   Still, I am free to grow my own food and code less if I wish.

Under Lenin's Communism, both the division of labor and the activities labored at were arranged by the State.

:)

RS
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Herself on July 14, 2004, 12:39:02 pm
Voluntary division of labor is part and parcel of Capitalism.  That's what sets it apart: you can take (or refuse) any job you can talk your way into.

     The real division is between command economies and free economies; and the free economies -- unlike, oh, the United States, Europe or Red China -- are capitalist economies.  The rest are various flavors of fascism, socialism and autocracy.  There ain't no such thing as a "mixed economy"* once the camel of Government has its nose in the tent, the market is no longer free.

     --Herself
_______________________
*This is what the nations of the self-described "free world" have, mixed economies.  Whoopee, we're slightly less restricted than the "unfree" world.  This is the same thinking that claims mistreatment of prisioners is okay as long as it's not as bad as mistreatment of prisioners done by one's opponent.  Or that I'm a better person than a strangler if I only choke you half to death, and that's as good as sainthood....  Some comfort!
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on July 22, 2004, 06:05:28 pm
No, division of labor is part of capitalism!  If I had to grow all of my own food, what time would I have to go to work--wouldn't we just turn the clock back to the pre-21st century, or the Middle Ages?  Even Communism has division of labor, at least in small groups!

What I'm getting at is that in order to become more independent, we must make (CREATE) a higher percentage of the stuff we use.

To work in a factory to feed your family is to be the slave of machines.  The less things you create, and the more you consume, the more money you have to make by working in the factory.

To utilize machines at home to feed your family is to be the master of machines.  For example, using a tractor to tend to your garden rather than buying the same foods, or using a bread machine to make your own bread rather than buying it.

We make our own bread and it is far cheaper, healthier, and better tasting than any bread at the store, and it only takes a few minutes of preparation to make because we utilize a machine to do the mixing, kneading, rising, and baking for us.

Grow or purchase some coffee mix from the store and make it with your own cheap coffee maker rather than buying it at Starbucks for THREE times the cost when the result is the same exact product.  (Note:  I hate coffee. :) )

The more capable you are of utilizing machines, or other methods, to efficiently create the things that you need, to your own specifications, the more independent you will be and the further the money you earn will go toward your quality of life.

This is not a low-tech lifestyle, this is the highest-tech lifestyle available.  :)
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: nonluddite on July 22, 2004, 08:10:37 pm
No, division of labor is part of capitalism!  If I had to grow all of my own food, what time would I have to go to work--wouldn't we just turn the clock back to the pre-21st century, or the Middle Ages?  Even Communism has division of labor, at least in small groups!

What I'm getting at is that in order to become more independent, we must make (CREATE) a higher percentage of the stuff we use.

To work in a factory to feed your family is to be the slave of machines.  The less things you create, and the more you consume, the more money you have to make by working in the factory.

To utilize machines at home to feed your family is to be the master of machines.  For example, using a tractor to tend to your garden rather than buying the same foods, or using a bread machine to make your own bread rather than buying it.

We make our own bread and it is far cheaper, healthier, and better tasting than any bread at the store, and it only takes a few minutes of preparation to make because we utilize a machine to do the mixing, kneading, rising, and baking for us.

Grow or purchase some coffee mix from the store and make it with your own cheap coffee maker rather than buying it at Starbucks for THREE times the cost when the result is the same exact product.  (Note:  I hate coffee. :) )

The more capable you are of utilizing machines, or other methods, to efficiently create the things that you need, to your own specifications, the more independent you will be and the further the money you earn will go toward your quality of life.

This is not a low-tech lifestyle, this is the highest-tech lifestyle available.  :)

Aside from not being able to grow coffee plants in the climate I live in, well, maybe if I installed a heated greenhouse, sometimes it isn't worth doing many things ourselves!  Sure I can (and sometimes do) make bread at home, I still buy the flour and oil at the grocery store instead of doing the growing and milling myself.  Also there are certain things that I can't do even if I wanted to--donuts, pizza, and fast food come to mind.  And why is that bad?--or when does it become bad, by your definition?
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RhythmStar on July 22, 2004, 11:07:48 pm
FWIW, while I do believe that the ability to create your own food from the natural world is an important and all-to-rare skill, I think that individual energy independence is more pressing today.  If you can produce your own electricity and transportation fuel, then you can continue a high-tech lifestyle when others are in the dark, or reading by their hand-made candle light.

RS
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: nonluddite on July 23, 2004, 07:09:44 pm
FWIW, while I do believe that the ability to create your own food from the natural world is an important and all-to-rare skill, I think that individual energy independence is more pressing today.  If you can produce your own electricity and transportation fuel, then you can continue a high-tech lifestyle when others are in the dark, or reading by their hand-made candle light.

RS


So how am I supposed to produce my own fuel or power?  Solar power just sucks here and the wind is light if it blows at all!  I don't live by a river, and if I did I'd have to dam it and we all "KNOW" that that's bad....  

I don't keep bees, have livestock, or raise crops to make wax for candles or oil for lamps.  What I do have, is something that other people value (my labor), which I get paid for, then I can exchange that with other people for those things I need!   Maybe you've heard of it; it's called the division of labor and the marketplace. :)
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: Pat K on July 23, 2004, 07:26:33 pm
"So how am I supposed to produce my own fuel or power"

Eat lots of beans my friend lots and lots of beans.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RhythmStar on July 26, 2004, 07:46:53 am
FWIW, while I do believe that the ability to create your own food from the natural world is an important and all-to-rare skill, I think that individual energy independence is more pressing today.  If you can produce your own electricity and transportation fuel, then you can continue a high-tech lifestyle when others are in the dark, or reading by their hand-made candle light.

RS


So how am I supposed to produce my own fuel or power?  Solar power just sucks here and the wind is light if it blows at all!  I don't live by a river, and if I did I'd have to dam it and we all "KNOW" that that's bad....  

I don't keep bees, have livestock, or raise crops to make wax for candles or oil for lamps.  What I do have, is something that other people value (my labor), which I get paid for, then I can exchange that with other people for those things I need!   Maybe you've heard of it; it's called the division of labor and the marketplace. :)

So, you are a slave to society and cannot survive without it.  Don't feel too bad, most residents of the developed nations are like that today. :)

As to the question, while solar is less viable in northern climes, don't dismiss it out-of-hand -- successful experiments in year-round solar power have been conducted in places like Alaska.   And while eating lots of beans might not be the ticket, anyone can build a system that leverages locally-produced waste and garbage to produce methane -- villages in India do it, so can Americans.

BTW, don't just look at high-priced silicon-based photoelectrics.  The coming wave of solar devices will be based on TiO2 and plant dyes:

http://www.acs.comcen.com.au/TiO2solar.html (http://www.acs.comcen.com.au/TiO2solar.html)

Of course, with a little research, it ought to be possible to replicate Changing World Technology's oil-from-garbage thermal depolymerization process on a small scale.  As long as you don't try to sell the product, you don't have to worry about their patents, so that's no problem -- all it takes is ingenuity.

Personal energy independence will make more sense as the oil economy goes into it's more chaotic phases.  Don't worry if it sounds outlandish today -- I'm usually about 10 years ahead of the curve, but that's no reason for you not to profit from the information.  :)

RS
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: nonluddite on July 27, 2004, 05:00:26 pm
FWIW, while I do believe that the ability to create your own food from the natural world is an important and all-to-rare skill, I think that individual energy independence is more pressing today.  If you can produce your own electricity and transportation fuel, then you can continue a high-tech lifestyle when others are in the dark, or reading by their hand-made candle light.

RS


So how am I supposed to produce my own fuel or power?  Solar power just sucks here and the wind is light if it blows at all!  I don't live by a river, and if I did I'd have to dam it and we all "KNOW" that that's bad....  

I don't keep bees, have livestock, or raise crops to make wax for candles or oil for lamps.  What I do have, is something that other people value (my labor), which I get paid for, then I can exchange that with other people for those things I need!   Maybe you've heard of it; it's called the division of labor and the marketplace. :)

So, you are a slave to society and cannot survive without it.  Don't feel too bad, most residents of the developed nations are like that today. :)

And I wonder what made us developed?

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As to the question, while solar is less viable in northern climes, don't dismiss it out-of-hand -- successful experiments in year-round solar power have been conducted in places like Alaska.


I believe that Alaska gets more sunlight than the Northeast.

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And while eating lots of beans might not be the ticket, anyone can build a system that leverages locally-produced waste and garbage to produce methane -- villages in India do it, so can Americans.

I saw a documentary on that!  The local kids picked up the holy cow's dung and used it to produce methane and electricity.  Unfortunately, it was only enough to power 1 lightbulb per house for a few hours after sunset.
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BTW, don't just look at high-priced silicon-based photoelectrics.  The coming wave of solar devices will be based on TiO2 and plant dyes:

http://www.acs.comcen.com.au/TiO2solar.html (http://www.acs.comcen.com.au/TiO2solar.html)

Of course, with a little research, it ought to be possible to replicate Changing World Technology's oil-from-garbage thermal depolymerization process on a small scale.  As long as you don't try to sell the product, you don't have to worry about their patents, so that's no problem -- all it takes is ingenuity.

Personal energy independence will make more sense as the oil economy goes into it's more chaotic phases.  Don't worry if it sounds outlandish today -- I'm usually about 10 years ahead of the curve, but that's no reason for you not to profit from the information.  :)

RS

If we will be so self sustaining, where is all of this garbage going to come from, old landfills?
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: SteveA on July 27, 2004, 05:26:24 pm
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And while eating lots of beans might not be the ticket, anyone can build a system that leverages locally-produced waste and garbage to produce methane -- villages in India do it, so can Americans.

I saw a documentary on that!  The local kids picked up the holy cow's dung and used it to produce methane and electricity.  Unfortunately, it was only enough to power 1 lightbulb per house for a few hours after sunset.

There's been some nice technology for using alcohols in fuel cells.  I read an article in EE Times a while ago about a battery replacement using a methanol wet cell, passive circulation, no pump or cleaning required and power densties a few times higher than lithium-ion batteries.  It wouldn't power your washing machine directly without some resevoir but alcohol isn't a very exotic fuel.  I assume wood or grain alcohol would work similarly.

http://www.neahpower.com/news/newsfiles/SeattleTimes-03.10.03.pdf (http://www.neahpower.com/news/newsfiles/SeattleTimes-03.10.03.pdf)

http://www.eetimes.com/at/hpm/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=18308323&kc=6380 (http://www.eetimes.com/at/hpm/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=18308323&kc=6380)

I guess it's not a viable alternative yet but something to look forward to.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: LeRuineur6 on July 27, 2004, 06:11:52 pm
I'll explain the concept by example.

I have 24 total pieces of furniture in my apartment, including shelves, tables, chairs, and other large things that can be made with wood.

When I own a house and some land later down the road, I'll be able to create most of this furniture, I estimate about 21 out of the 24 pieces of furniture, out of the wood on my property.  I'll gain valuable experience and tools for the future, and the results will be very rewarding.  Few trees will be used.  I will save thousands of dollars by using basic tools and doing the work in my spare time, while still holding a profitable career.  My quality of living will increase.

What is "bad" in my opinion?  Making 0% of what you use is bad.  What if you lose your job?  What if the economy tanks?  You are entirely dependent upon society, so you WILL suffer unless you find someone who wants your labor.

During the Great Depression, almost everyone's quality of life was in direct correlation to their ability to create more of the things they needed.

One of my old friends had a father who was laid-off by IBM two years ago in Vermont.  Nobody wanted his specialized labor.  He ended up selling generic labor in the form of random odd jobs for a few hundred dollars here and there.  He almost lost his house.

One of my old coworkers was laid off by my previous employer directly after her husband was laid off by IBM.  Nobody wanted their labor.  They lost their house.

During the Great Depression, my grandfather hardly even noticed the economic conditions.  Nothing changed in his life.  Why?  Because his family produced almost EVERYTHING they needed to survive, only stopping at the store once in a while to buy fuel, sugar, and coffee.  Meanwhile, once-rich stock brokers committed suicide.

This is not theory.  This is reality.  If you cannot create anything but your own specialized labor, then you are dependent upon society and vulnerable to utter misery given commonly-occurring circumstances such as recessions, layoffs, wars, and famine.

No one wants to be vulnerable to these circumstances, but everyone is.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: 5thconcerto on July 27, 2004, 06:23:11 pm

During the Great Depression, my grandfather hardly even noticed the economic conditions.  Nothing changed in his life.  Why?  Because his family produced almost EVERYTHING they needed to survive, only stopping at the store once in a while to buy fuel, sugar, and coffee.  Meanwhile, once-rich stock brokers committed suicide.

My father and mother grew up in the depression, and lived in Whitefield, NH. They only knew about the depression from the newspapers and radio. Nothing changed for them. They both grew up on a farm. They raised their food, and cut their firewood for themselves and sold some to others. My father's father supplied firewood to the Mountain View Grand Hotel, which has just recently been renovated and re-opened.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: SteveA on July 27, 2004, 07:26:50 pm
I feel very much as you do, LeRuineur.

There are primarily two reasons that I would like to be relatively self-sufficient (maybe 50% of the food, water, energy etc. I can provide myself):

1.  You don't have to worry as much about keeping up with bills.  Free time and retirement are that much easier to achieve.  So you can possibly work at home or part time for some supplimental income and take care of the rest yourself.  If you get sick, you've got a buffer between you and the streets.

2.  If a large scale crisis occured, it might actually be a lifesaver to have enough resources to survive for a while till things recover.  We've been rather lucky so far, but you never know ...
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RidleyReport on October 15, 2004, 11:47:59 pm
OK my little voice is talking again.  It says Bush will win and there will be a frenzy of violence by the hardcore left as a result.  

Not saying this will happen...it's just a suspicion I'm recording for posterity.
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RidleyReport on October 15, 2004, 11:56:24 pm
The other one I"ve been thinking about is that of terrorists blowing up a dam.   Hope I'm wrong since I live downstream from one!

Back in '01 our police snagged a bunch of middle easterners scoping out a lake near Dallas...they said they were on a UN peace mission.  Now that right there should be an indicator they were up to something!   Don't know what came of this.

Oh here's my other one:  I'm suspecting China will become the world's superpower over the next 50 years (that's the natural state of affairs, interrupted only by imperialism and communism).  We'll lose domination of space unless the private space companies can bridge the gap.  
Title: Re:A record of what my "little voice" says....
Post by: RidleyReport on October 16, 2004, 05:18:42 pm
What else does my little voice say... well, it say Benson will win the election because historical precedent indicates he will.    But I could be wrong, and he'd behind i the polls at the moment.