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Title: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: dalebert on November 13, 2013, 08:51:57 pm


http://www.thestreet.com/story/11998444/10/the-10-beer-drinkingest-states-in-america.html
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Jerry on November 14, 2013, 12:06:55 am
A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.

Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer a year.

That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon.   ;D

So what kind of mileage do New Hampshire folks get?
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: freedomroad on November 14, 2013, 01:22:43 pm
It's not really drinking, but beer buying, from what I gather.

But yeah, people in NH tend to have money, are less religious than in other states, there is a strong beer making culture in the region, beer tends to cost less here than in other states and the population here has a higher percentage of whites than in most states. So it's no surprise that drinking beer is a bigger deal in NH than in most other states.

NH is likely above every other state when it comes to buying bottles of liquor per capita, buying packs of cigarettes and so on, too. It's the shopping destination for New England.
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: dalebert on November 14, 2013, 06:30:07 pm
Kind of off-topic, but kind of on-topic. I bought Carolan's Irish Creme today. It's cheaper than Bailey's and I like it better. Don't get hung up on name brands. Also, the bottle actually looks way fancier. Go figure.
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: KBCraig on November 14, 2013, 09:43:31 pm
Don't forget, Pat K just moved last month, so he hasn't had time to drive the numbers up.  ;)
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: dalebert on November 15, 2013, 08:40:04 am
Pat will be our champion! He will put us at #1 where we belong!
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: escapist_reborn on November 15, 2013, 10:31:33 pm
I'd also like to add that ND is freaking cold and has nothing else going on. Just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Sam Adams on November 15, 2013, 11:21:35 pm
I'd also like to add that ND is freaking cold and has nothing else going on. Just throwing that out there.
                             ND has one of the best thing going on in the Republic, no other state has, a complete State Chartered Bank with all the by laws. If fed[private fails or defaults] State bank laws are all in place and all municipalities bank there vs fed banks. Well financed. Good ice fishing also, if you can drill 4 feet deep.  ;D
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on November 16, 2013, 06:49:47 pm
http://www.nh.gov/banking/bank-cu-trust/index.htm
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Sam Adams on November 16, 2013, 07:23:24 pm
   The Bank of North Dakota is State owned and the only kind in this country. Big difference than chartered. The State govt has to do all its banking with them, and its regulated by a few commissions. They clear all there own checks and hold all their deposits. They do have a relation with the fed reverse, but aren,t fdic insured. They are State insured and aren,t controlled by outside forces.
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: freedomroad on November 16, 2013, 09:32:08 pm
   The Bank of North Dakota is State owned and the only kind in this country. Big difference than chartered. The State govt has to do all its banking with them, and its regulated by a few commissions. They clear all there own checks and hold all their deposits. They do have a relation with the fed reverse, but aren,t fdic insured. They are State insured and aren,t controlled by outside forces.
Yup. It is a horrible, anti-freedom system that rewards companies attached to the politicians in power at expense of other companies. It isn't as bad as ND having the worst weather in the US but it is 1 of the worst things a out ND. No doubt it is fascist. And that's 1 thing I don't support.
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Sam Adams on November 16, 2013, 10:14:33 pm
  I,ll have to disagree with you on this, its de-centralized, but I see your point on fascist. The by-laws were set-up decades ago and they are strictly enforced. Its better than going to wall street for infrastructure bonding or being run and ruled by the private federal reserve system. The state money stays in their state which makes them  economic independent and wealthier state. Originally it was sent up for the in state farmers loans to stop foreclosure stealing, now they do college loan financing. Imagine all the state govt bonding and spending in NH staying in state along with the interest paid, vs going to wall street or other billionaires overseas. Since the state has a state bank with by-laws set in place, its not subject to a federal banking crisis or new regulations or seizure . Without this system in place banking is subject to federal and reserve[sic] guidelines and disastrous 1929 false flag rule making. But, like I said I see your point about lack of free competion and free market and room for corruption. US doesn,t have free market banks, they are ruled by One private entity, which has been the downfall since or before 1913.............
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on November 17, 2013, 11:56:54 am
Why would we want the State of NH to own a bank?
And if the Federal Reserve was a private entity, wouldn't that make it better?

Or are you opposed to private entities?
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Sam Adams on November 17, 2013, 07:20:27 pm
   John, have you ever Listened to Ron Paul with both ears, or not at all? The Citizens of ND own their own State bank. As far as Congress usurping their Constitutional authority and oath by giving the authority only given to them to print, value coin, and issue debt on behalf of the good will of the American govt. WITHOUT interest payments to an International[Foreign entity, foreign corp.] foreign corporation is and was the destruction of the USA. "I care not who is elected to high office, its who owns the right to print the nations currency". Who said that John? Are you a troll, or just playing naive?  Private business is the heart of this country. People who are unacknowledged in this country about whats going on around them are the problem with country. What group do you fit in JEM?
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on November 18, 2013, 02:29:44 pm
The authority to print the nation's currency lies with the US Treasury Department Bureau of Engraving.

'To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.'

That is the means by which Congress vests its powers within a Department or Officer.

The FED doesn't produce currency/coin. Its job is distribution.
Furthermore you don't seem to understand the bank voluntarily enters the system.

Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Sam Adams on November 18, 2013, 05:51:31 pm
[quote author=John Edward Mercier link=
The authority to print the nation's currency lies with the US Treasury Department Bureau of Engraving.



The FED doesn't produce currency/coin. Its job is distribution.
Furthermore you don't seem to understand the bank voluntarily enters the system.


[/quo te]          Mercier, you can,t make this garbage up. I can tell you are trying to convince yourself of this fable as being true. Authority no, its their function to print when its authorized. Mercier, I see you want to ignore that dc pays interest to a foreign corp on our nations debt, which is over 600 Billion annually[interest payments only]. Nonfederal Reserve just tells the bureau of engraving to print 125 billion a month and hand it over,  for the cost of the paper and ink.     Thats some great Distribution, or corruption, thieves, tyranny, and bankruptcy. Congress shouldn,t have to allow interest paid on the nations debt, they are to Solely be the body that approves and Authorizes additional debt. Your country has been Hijacked and taken over in 1913.              Banks have no choice in America to be approved and licensed and heavily regulated, but they get the right to fractional reserve all their customers funds. Its called a closed club and completely fixed
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: dalebert on November 18, 2013, 07:10:11 pm
Damn it, this is a BEER thread!
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Sam Adams on November 18, 2013, 08:04:39 pm
     Sorry Dale, having a few right now in order to beat ND, we will be # uno. Just had to intervene to stop a misinformed nonfed lover. Whats the count as far as were lacking to be # 1. Also, what is a good NH lighter tasting homebrew? I,m a apple and peach, rice winemaker. Sake being to best.
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on November 19, 2013, 07:52:43 am
So break the thread off; he's obviously consumed too much when he doesn't know the difference between the functions of the FED,  the US Treasury, and congressional appropriations.
 
Not to mention he doesn't understand that fractional reserve banking is a natural function restricted by government.


Title: Re: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Libertard on August 09, 2014, 01:46:30 pm
I'm currently visiting NH for the first time. Having lived in alcohol-friendly states all of my life, I was taken aback to learn about New Hampshire's state monopoly on liquor sales.  As far as liberty is concerned, this seems like low-hanging fruit; it would be so easy to sell off the stores and privatize the industry. Washington State did just so a couple of years ago. Is any work currently being done to try to deregulate liquor?
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 10, 2014, 12:39:41 am
Not sure. NH will be entering another cycle of LSRs, and a second one after the election, so we'll know then if the issue is active.
Title: Re: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: freedomroad on August 11, 2014, 07:14:17 am
I'm currently visiting NH for the first time. Having lived in alcohol-friendly states all of my life, I was taken aback to learn about New Hampshire's state monopoly on liquor sales.  As far as liberty is concerned, this seems like low-hanging fruit; it would be so easy to sell off the stores and privatize the industry. Washington State did just so a couple of years ago. Is any work currently being done to try to deregulate liquor?

When the Republicans controlled 3/4s of the NH House in 2011/2012 there was a bill to do it. People were worried that selling the state stores or allowing 14,000 private stores might increase taxes, so it failed. But yes, there are private liquor stores in NH. NH might have the lowest liquor prices in the nation (at both the government and private stores).
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Libertard on August 11, 2014, 05:22:29 pm
But yes, there are private liquor stores in NH.

I was under the impression that only state-run stores could sell liquor (i.e. hard liquor/spirits). Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: freedomroad on August 11, 2014, 09:41:27 pm
I was under the impression that only state-run stores could sell liquor (i.e. hard liquor/spirits). Am I missing something?
It is solid in bars, restaurants, functions, at the distilleries and maybe even at festivals or something. I think you might even be able to make your own, but I'd be shocked if it was legal to sell moonshine, even though I know people that do. Here is a story about the underground industry in NH. http://nhpr.org/post/theres-moonshine-these-here-new-hampshire-woods

There are 3 private liquor stores in NH but the rest are government run, last I heard. I believe 2 of the 3 are in the middle of no where so it didn't make sense for the government to open up there. The other 1 is a mile from the NH/MA border and also sells beer, wine, smokes, gas and even has a deli. I heard it does great business ;)
http://countrymilenh.com/
Title: Re: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 12, 2014, 05:50:35 am
I'm currently visiting NH for the first time. Having lived in alcohol-friendly states all of my life, I was taken aback to learn about New Hampshire's state monopoly on liquor sales.  As far as liberty is concerned, this seems like low-hanging fruit; it would be so easy to sell off the stores and privatize the industry. Washington State did just so a couple of years ago. Is any work currently being done to try to deregulate liquor?

When the Republicans controlled 3/4s of the NH House in 2011/2012 there was a bill to do it. People were worried that selling the state stores or allowing 14,000 private stores might increase taxes, so it failed. But yes, there are private liquor stores in NH. NH might have the lowest liquor prices in the nation (at both the government and private stores).
Any single legislator can enter a bill, so it really doesn't matter which party has majority in the Legislature or the extent of the majority.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: Libertard on August 13, 2014, 06:24:29 pm
It is solid in bars, restaurants, functions, at the distilleries and maybe even at festivals or something. I think you might even be able to make your own, but I'd be shocked if it was legal to sell moonshine, even though I know people that do. Here is a story about the underground industry in NH. http://nhpr.org/post/theres-moonshine-these-here-new-hampshire-woods

There are 3 private liquor stores in NH but the rest are government run, last I heard. I believe 2 of the 3 are in the middle of no where so it didn't make sense for the government to open up there. The other 1 is a mile from the NH/MA border and also sells beer, wine, smokes, gas and even has a deli. I heard it does great business ;)
http://countrymilenh.com/

I see where you're coming from. Still, allowing private licensed sellers doesn't change the fact that the state government has a monopoly on importing and distributing liquor. Unacceptable IMO, and again, very easy to fix. It doesn't matter that liquor sales constitute a major chunk of government revenues; actually, that's all the more reason to privatize, since it leaves the State with both the incentive and the means to raise prices as they see fit.

I'd surmise that the only thing keeping prices down in NH is the desire to attract buyers from out of state, which seems to work due to NH's (geographically) small size. Could you imagine a state like CA or TX running liquor distribution? It would end in tragedy for whiskey drinkers like myself.  ;)
Title: Re: NH is #2 beer-drinkingest state! Wait, uhm...
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 14, 2014, 10:31:53 am
From the standpoint of licensed sellers, the State government has a monopoly on lots of things.

But aside from that, the revenue doesn't constitute a major chunk of government revenues.
The loss of the revenues would be offset through the loss of the expenditure to the operation and the increase in revenues from the business taxes - so the outcome is probably negligible at best.