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Title: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on July 29, 2012, 01:31:45 pm
I got this in an email, I like this guy.

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Meet Maine 's New Governor --- I hope this makes its way around the USA several times!!!!!

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   Meet Maine 's New Governor. In case you haven't heard about this guy before, his name will stick in your mind! The new Maine Governor, Paul LePage is making New Jersey 's Chris Christie look like an enabler. He isn't afraid to say what he thinks. Judging by the comments, every time he opens his mouth, his popularity goes up.

    He brought down the house at his inauguration when he shook his fist toward the media box and said, "You're on notice! I've inherited a financially troubled State to run. Observe...cover what we do...but don't whine if I don't waste time responding to your every whim just for your amusement."

    During his campaign for Governor, he was talking to commercial fishermen who are struggling because of federal fisheries rules. They complained that 0bama brought his family to Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park for a long Labor Day holiday and found time to meet with union leaders, but wouldn't talk to the fishermen LePage replied, "I'd tell him to go to hell and get out of my State." The Lame Stream Media crucified LePage, but he jumped 6 points in the pre-election poll.

    The Martin Luther King incident was a political sandbag, which brought him National exposure. The 'lame stream' media crucified him, but word on the street is very positive. The NAACP specifically asked LePage to spend MLK Day visiting black inmates at the Maine State Prison. He told them that he would meet with ALL inmates, regardless of race, if he were to visit the prison. The NAACP balked and then put out a news release claiming falsely that he refused to participate in any MLK events. He read it in the paper for the 1st time the next morning while being driven to an event and went ballistic because none of the reporters had called him for comment before running the NAACP release.

    He arrived at that event & said in front of a TV camera, "If they want to play the race card on me they can kiss my ass", and he reminded them that he has an adopted black son from Jamaica and that he attended the local MLK Breakfast every year that he was mayor of Waterville. (He started his morning there on MLK Day.)

    He then stated that there's a right way and a wrong way to meet with the Governor, and he put all special interests on notice that press releases, media leaks, and all demonstrations would prove to be the wrong way. He said any other group, which acted like the NAACP could expect to be at the bottom of the Governor's priority list!

    He then did the following, and judging from local radio talk show callers, his popularity increased even more: The State employees union complained because he waited until 3 P.M. before closing State offices and facilities and sending non-emergency personnel home during the last blizzard. The prior Governor would often close offices for the day with just a forecast before the first flakes. (Each time the State closes for snow, it costs the taxpayers about $1 million in wages for no work in return.)

    LePage was CEO of the Marden's chain of discount family bargain retail stores before election as governor. He noted that State employees getting off work early could still find lots of retail stores open to shop. So, he put the State employees on notice by announcing: "If Marden's is open, Maine is open!"

    He told State employees: "We live in Maine in the winter, for heaven's sake, and should know how to drive in it. Otherwise, apply for a State job in Florida !"

    Governor LePage symbolizes what America needs; Refreshing politicians who aren't self-serving and who exhibit common sense.

    THE LAW IS THE LAW So "if" the US government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money, then, so be it. And "if" that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or on a government installation, then, so be it.

    I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US citizen. I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions. I would like to think that those people have the American public's best interests at heart. BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE?

   Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot post His Commandments in Government buildings, I don't believe Government (Federal, State and Local) and its employees should participate in Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

    I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter. After all, it's just another day.

    I'd like the" US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter as well as Sundays." After all, it's just another day.

    I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all it's just another day.

    I'm thinking a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices & services would work on Christmas, Good Friday & Easter. It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct."

    In fact....I think our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God....) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day....

    What do you all think????  If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop giving in to the "minority opinions" and begin, once again, to represent the "majority" of ALL of the American people.

SO BE IT....... Please Dear Lord, Give us the help needed to keep you in our country! 'Amen' and 'Amen' Touch?!

    These are definitely things I never thought about but from now on, I will be sure to question those in government who support these changes.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 31, 2012, 04:11:24 pm
Since the Constitution doesn't allow for imposing Christianity, in any of its formats... you have a better chance of getting them to take off all the religious holy days.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: freedomroad on July 31, 2012, 08:21:26 pm
I think he would be a fun and interesting speaker :)  He might help attract some ME and maybe even other area people.  He would be free, which is nice.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: TJames on July 31, 2012, 08:31:00 pm
Since the Constitution doesn't allow for imposing Christianity, in any of its formats... you have a better chance of getting them to take off all the religious holy days.

A thought.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 02, 2012, 07:12:52 pm
You know I am not a religious guy either, but those Libertarians with the white wigs, back in 1776 were most likey bigger holy rolers then LePage would ever be, so if he wants to be religious and do some good for government, I think his policy deserves some positive credit. Ever read what your money says on it?

I did expect most of the responses were going to be against LePage's religious stance, rather then the positive things he has done.  ::)
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 02, 2012, 10:34:14 pm
The slogan that you speak of was not added to money until modern times.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 03, 2012, 05:37:15 am
The slogan that you speak of was not added to money until modern times.


1812 when the star spangled banner was written, was modern times? In the 1860's when they were putting the slogan on nickels was also modern times?

In in all who cares, even Ron Paul is pro-life, and every one we elect is not going to share our views 100%. If you find that person good luck. LePage is a step in the right direction when it comes to fiscal governing.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 03, 2012, 07:13:58 am
It was a lyric in the Star-Spangled Banner, but not on money in 1812.
It was on the 1864 two cent.
Which guy wearing a white wig in 1776 was alive in the 1860s?

Does that more precisely help?
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 03, 2012, 11:05:20 am
It was a lyric in the Star-Spangled Banner, but not on money in 1812.
It was on the 1864 two cent.
Which guy wearing a white wig in 1776 was alive in the 1860s?

Does that more precisely help?

John you are right, this LePage should be more politically correct and rule like Obama! There, does that make you happy???
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: TJames on August 03, 2012, 11:40:54 am
At first I thought he was a libertarian with conservative views. Let us just be glad that is not focusing more on victimless crimes.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 03, 2012, 08:45:03 pm
It was a lyric in the Star-Spangled Banner, but not on money in 1812.
It was on the 1864 two cent.
Which guy wearing a white wig in 1776 was alive in the 1860s?

Does that more precisely help?

John you are right, this LePage should be more politically correct and rule like Obama! There, does that make you happy???
I never voted for Obama, don't intend to vote for Obama, and don't know what Obama has to do with this. The fact is that given the argument proposed. The federal government would most likely adopt more holy days... not fewer. That in the 1860s, we moved toward the modern understanding of coinage with the introduction of the Nickel, and the use of nickel to replace silver. That the Founding Fathers could have easily declared this a Judeo-Christian nation... and so could the Founders of NH (though it was not legal for Jews or Catholics to vote or hold office; so declaring it a Protestant State or Episcopalian State would be more accurate).
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 04, 2012, 06:21:14 am
Ok John, since you seem to like an argument so much, lets get back to the original intent of my post, which had nothing to do with God or money, if those damn puritans did not come over here, where would we be now?  ::)

OK Things I like about LePage:

1 He does not pander to the media, and lets them know it.
2 He wants Obama to get the hell out of his state, he let the media know this, and his support went up.
3 He does not pander to special interests like the NAACP, says they can kiss his ass if they want to play the race card.
4 Puts all special interests that got out of line on the bottom of his priority list.
5 Makes state workers actually do their job when it is snowing, instead of sending them home for a paid day off so they can drive to the mall or restaurant on the states dime.
6 He was a former business man.
7 And now those Damn puritans, brought religion to our great nation, with those ancient holidays, Xmas, Easter, good Friday, and of course they all built churches to worship on Sunday.

Now I do not go to church or pray, but I did get a good chuckle that he would tell these people that would persecute others for their beliefs that the should stop celebrating and taking days off for such holidays.

America is SUPPOSED to be a Free country, and if some individual wants to believe in god or aliens it is fine with me, and none of my business to disqualify them from elected office.

Bob
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 04, 2012, 11:08:29 am
You need to learn more about the Puritans. And more importantly about how Europeans colonized North America.
The Puritans didn't celebrate Christmas... and were neither the first Europeans to colonize North America.
Nor did they make up all the passengers on the Mayflower. Then they nearly died out trying a communist approach to survival.

Not to mention you need the reality of what a Governor can do, and can not do. They aren't a monarch.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: TJames on August 04, 2012, 10:09:40 pm
The Puritans didn't celebrate Christmas...

I thought everyone knew that. My denomination tends to avoid Christmas.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 05, 2012, 02:30:22 pm
Obviously not. See #7.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: TJames on August 05, 2012, 02:40:06 pm
I was about to correct Bob but than I scrolled to your reply. The reason I posted was to back your reply. Everyone knows that the Puritans considered Christmas pagan holiday.

The US seems to have more of a Baptist background.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: 10stateswithnh on August 05, 2012, 04:07:06 pm
Everyone? I didn't know that, neither did Bob. Hmm. Not everyone, apparently.

However, I do know of other Christian churches that don't celebrate Christmas. Jehovah's Witnesses, for one. Apparently, Travis, your church as well. My church, the LDS (Mormon) Church, celebrates it as a chance to remember Jesus' birth, though we don't believe he was born on Dec 25, but we emphasize that it's not about the commercialization or Santa Claus. It's a season to spend more time remembering the Savior's life and the church focuses on that. To us, it's how we use and celebrate the day that matters, not who came up with that date or the popular symbols associated with it that matters. To me, a holiday having a pagan origin is as irrelevant to my decision to celebrate it, as whether a book I choose to read has an author whose political views I disagree with.

I had read that about the Puritans trying communal land ownership for several years when they first arrived - that's the real reason they were starving at the famous first harvest dinner with the Native Americans (i.e. "Indians"), not because they couldn't figure out how to cultivate local crops. And, also contrary to popular legend, that dinner their second year, didn't lead to sudden change of fortunes with having enough food - that happened when they privatized land about 4 years after arriving. I learned this from a book about US history, can't remember which one was the author now, but it was either written by Thomas Woods, Thomas diLorenzo, or Robert Murphy, all connected to the Mises Institute.

About Paul LePage, I like his spunk and honesty but that doesn't mean I would vote for him if I were in Maine - for that I have to agree with most of a candidates political platform as well.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 06, 2012, 11:01:53 am
I was considering the celebration of Christ as well, rather then the commercial holiday. I can imagine the puritans thinking Xmas would be about shopping and gifts? But since some of you know this history better then me, were they totally against celebrating the birth of Christ?

Any ways, I pointed out LePages good points, I am not sure of his bad points if any one would like to elaborate, maybe some one in Maine?
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Liberty603 on August 06, 2012, 11:59:16 am
Any ways, I pointed out LePages good points, I am not sure of his bad points if any one would like to elaborate, maybe some one in Maine?

As far as liberty is concerned, LePage is all over the map. For example, he is supporting the proposed "internet sales tax" http://bangordailynews.com/2012/08/06/politics/nh-battles-internet-sales-tax-supported-by-lepage/
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: TJames on August 07, 2012, 12:00:08 pm
Jesus was 33 1/2 when he died. When dose that put his birthday? In the United States Christian observance of Christmas was uncommon until recently. Many understood it to be the continuation of an ancient pagan holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti. On the same note, even most of the same churches that don't keep Christmas still keep Sunday as Constantine decreed on March 7, 321AD. The Roman instrument of torture, the cross that is often placed on churches, is a sun symbol. Evergreen trees are used as phallic sun symbols of immortality. Before the priesthood moved into the church the used to sacrifice their testicles, and now we have Christmas ornaments!

It has nothing to do with a Puritan avoidance to Holiday I guess. JWs are against birthdays. I don't like birthdays but that is a personal issue. I think the Puritans had many of the same issues I listed. SDAs like myself tend not to observe any of the "Christian" holidays. We are not anti-holiday like some churches, we just consider them to be pagan. I even know a few who keep the OT feast days, and it makes sense to me because the Jewish days are more Christian than any of the "Christian" days. Also the only Christian holiday in my opinion is Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 07, 2012, 12:34:34 pm
Any ways, I pointed out LePages good points, I am not sure of his bad points if any one would like to elaborate, maybe some one in Maine?

As far as liberty is concerned, LePage is all over the map. For example, he is supporting the proposed "internet sales tax" http://bangordailynews.com/2012/08/06/politics/nh-battles-internet-sales-tax-supported-by-lepage/

Oh well, some good, some bad, just another Neo Con.  ::)
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 07, 2012, 04:22:29 pm
I was about to correct Bob but than I scrolled to your reply. The reason I posted was to back your reply. Everyone knows that the Puritans considered Christmas pagan holiday.

The US seems to have more of a Baptist background.
Episcopal.

And by the way, observance of Christmas time within the Colonies goes back to before the signing of the Declaration of Independence... the Christmas Wreath is an American creation. And Thanksgiving isn't a Christian holy day... its also an American creation. The Puritans would have been aghast to see another holy day without a foundation in scripture.

Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Liberty603 on August 10, 2012, 10:39:14 am
Credit where credit is due: LePage is standing up to the GOP and threatening to boycott the convention unless Maine's Ron Paul delegates are seated

http://thetippingpoint.bangordailynews.com/2012/08/10/state-politics/lepage-rnc-conflict/
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: Bob D. on August 11, 2012, 06:02:50 am
Credit where credit is due: LePage is standing up to the GOP and threatening to boycott the convention unless Maine's Ron Paul delegates are seated

http://thetippingpoint.bangordailynews.com/2012/08/10/state-politics/lepage-rnc-conflict/

At least he has some independence from his party.
Title: Re: Paul LePage
Post by: plasma1010 on December 06, 2012, 09:16:50 am
My favorite comment was when he said public "All our state politicians are corrupt". I liked him then. He doesn't get as much media attention because it's Maine.