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Title: Signature Offends Delaware DMV, Refuses License
Post by: skypod on July 18, 2003, 09:01:30 am
Man's signature offends DMV, Office denies new driver's license
By SEAN O'SULLIVAN, Staff reporter
07/17/2003
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2003/07/17manssignatureof.html

Charles Weinstein's signature is more legible than many - it is just that it
appears to be upside down.
And this is a problem for the Delaware Division of Motor Vehicles, which
informed Weinstein on Monday that his signature was "unacceptable."
Weinstein said a clerk told him he would not get a new driver's license
until he agreed to sign it "right."

Weinstein, 45, of Glasgow, has refused, saying it should be up to him, not
the DMV, to decide how he writes his name.
He said he trained himself to write his name in this unusual way, working
right-side up, as a way to make his mark unique. He said he has been signing
his name this way for more than eight years on all official papers, checks,
credit cards - even his old driver's license. It was never a major problem
until this week, he said, when he went to the DMV office on Airport Road to
change his address.

Weinstein said a window clerk told him to "stop fooling around and sign it
right." When he insisted that what he wrote was his valid, legal signature,
Weinstein said the clerk accused him of being a troublemaker and threw him
out.

He said the DMV did not issue him a new license and refused to give him back
his old one. "What is my status as a driver?" he asked.

Delaware Department of Transportation spokesman Michael Williams said
Weinstein's driving privileges have not been revoked and his original
license will be returned to him once it is found.
As for a new license, with Weinstein's preferred signature, Williams said
the Delaware attorney general has been asked for clarification.

Drewry Fennell, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in
Delaware, said Weinstein appears to have a point. "Signatures are
intended to be unique and it sounds like his is unique," she said.
Fennell said she knows of no provision in the law requiring a signature to
be legible. And if you can't read it, who is to say if it is right-side up
or upside down. "There are many, many people with illegible signatures," she
said.

DelDOT's Williams said DMV employees were correct to question the odd
signature.
"They don't want to open a Pandora's Box and give everyone the right to
change their signature," he said. Weinstein's signature was "not the way
588,000 other signatures are done" on all the other driver's licenses in
Delaware, he said.

However, Williams said, no one could find any statute that defined an
"acceptable" signature, which is why the matter was sent to the attorney
general. "We want to get this resolved," he said.

On Wednesday, Weinstein said, he wanted to send a notarized copy of a letter
of protest to the DMV, but he couldn't meet the notary's requirements.
He didn't have a photo ID to prove who he was.

Reach Sean O'Sullivan at 324-2777 or at sosullivan@delawareonline.com.
© 2003, The News Journal.
Title: Re:Signature Offends Delaware DMV, Refuses License
Post by: Sebastian on July 18, 2003, 09:11:52 am
Sign here... and sign this way only.
Title: Re:Signature Offends Delaware DMV, Refuses License
Post by: Zxcv on July 18, 2003, 09:20:50 am
Damn bureaucrats!  >:(

This is an argument for bringing back tar and feathers, if you ask me.
Title: Re:Signature Offends Delaware DMV, Refuses License
Post by: Kelton Baker on July 18, 2003, 09:20:50 am
Sounds about the same as a similar story out of California where a woman always wrote "U.D." (under duress) rights reserved, without prejudice U.C.C. 1-207"  above her signature when signing government documents.  The officers there refused to help and made a big scene against her.  In California, you are free to write 'Mickey Mouse' as your signature if you want to, but this one scared the DMV.  It all got cleared-up in the end, after a few weeks of making phone calls...

... and this one out of Delaware probably will turn-out well in the end too, the problem is those darn bureaucrats get so full of a feeling of power, they think they are the law.

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Title: Re:Signature Offends Delaware DMV, Refuses License
Post by: Sebastian on July 18, 2003, 09:32:16 am
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the problem is those darn bureaucrats get so full of a feeling of power, they think they are the law.
Wait... you're saying that... they're not?! :)