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Title: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: anon37268573 on March 23, 2011, 02:42:25 pm
Grafton county is projected to gain a seat in the NH house, while Coos county is project to lose one.

http://newhampshire.watchdog.org/8101/release-of-nh-census-data-kicks-off-redistricting/

Coos voters are more likely to vote Democratic than Grafton residents.

A big thanks to all the FreeStaters that moved to Grafton and responded to the US Census. And
a big thanks to all the FreeStaters that moved to other areas and responded to the US Census.

I moved to Rockingham county.  We're not projected to lose any seats.

The cities of Manchester and Nashua (both rather Democratic) could also lose seats:

http://newhampshire.watchdog.org/7442/coos-county-manchester-nashua-could-lose-two-seats-in-nh-redistricting/

Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: freedomroad on March 23, 2011, 04:27:58 pm
This looks good for the GOP.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: creaganlios on March 23, 2011, 04:45:33 pm
Another post confusing philosophy with party.  What will it take to understand that Liberty does NOT mean Republican, and Democrats are NOT necessarily the enemy?
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Andvari on March 23, 2011, 05:11:34 pm
NH Republicans seem to be legit small govt types. They walk the walk, not just throw out rhetoric like the national Republican joke party.
I've always been a registered independent but if i move to NH ill probably register Republican.

The Democrats in NH are statists and dont seem to differ much from the rest of the DNC. Just look at how Republicans in the NH legislature are tryin to undue all the damage the Democrats have done the last few years.  
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Denis Goddard on March 23, 2011, 08:30:22 pm
The Democrats in NH are statists
Please, let's not fall prey to stereotypes.
Many of us NH Dems are not statists.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: freedomroad on March 23, 2011, 09:00:35 pm
Just look at how Republicans in the NH legislature are tryin to undue all the damage the Democrats have done the last few years.  

Unfortunately, it isn't politically possible to undue all of the damage right now :'(  Maybe within the next 4 to 6 years if the winds shift the correct way...
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: MaineShark on March 23, 2011, 11:15:33 pm
The Democrats in NH are statists
Please, let's not fall prey to stereotypes.
Many of us NH Dems are not statists.

Using yourself as an example of how "non-Statist" NH Democrats are doesn't work very well, given that you are a Statist, yourself.  As is anyone else who thinks it's okay to call armed thugs to show up because of how someone is using their own property...

There are certainly non-Statists who are registered as Democrats in NH, but you ain't one of them...

Joe
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Andvari on March 24, 2011, 12:25:40 am
The Democrats in NH are statists
Please, let's not fall prey to stereotypes.
Many of us NH Dems are not statists.

True, but most are. If anyone is gonna take NH to the promised land (secession) its gonna be Republicans leading the charge, certainly not Democrats...thats if the whole deck of cards doesnt collapse first.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: John Edward Mercier on March 24, 2011, 01:21:59 am
NH will never cede.
Even a small attempt would be a run on banks, and business bankruptcies to the point of 'fourth' world poverty.

And I wouldn't be so sure on the small government thing...
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: slothman on March 24, 2011, 09:38:01 am
Using yourself as an example of how "non-Statist" NH Democrats are doesn't work very well, given that you are a Statist, yourself.  As is anyone else who thinks it's okay to call armed thugs to show up because of how someone is using their own property...

There are certainly non-Statists who are registered as Democrats in NH, but you ain't one of them...

What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
It would be interesting to read.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Denis Goddard on March 24, 2011, 10:10:47 am
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
Joe (MaineShark) is hilarious.
To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".
He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

@Joe: Love ya, baby    :-*
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: MaineShark on March 24, 2011, 02:37:42 pm
Using yourself as an example of how "non-Statist" NH Democrats are doesn't work very well, given that you are a Statist, yourself.  As is anyone else who thinks it's okay to call armed thugs to show up because of how someone is using their own property...

There are certainly non-Statists who are registered as Democrats in NH, but you ain't one of them...
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
It would be interesting to read.

He's been quite public in his support for persecutions of Freestaters who he believes don't treat their property (animals) how he likes animals to be treated.

To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".

That's because you're an ignorant fool, maybe?  Where were you, ten years ago?  Because I was already active in NH politics, then, and had been for a number of years.

He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

Nope.  Just the really offensive ones.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

Anarcho-capitalists don't condone waving guns at others, due to how they treat their own property.

Joe
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: anon37268573 on March 24, 2011, 03:45:58 pm
Could you take this to private message, MaineShark?   It really has absolutely nothing to do with NH redistricting.

Thanks,

   - anon

Using yourself as an example of how "non-Statist" NH Democrats are doesn't work very well, given that you are a Statist, yourself.  As is anyone else who thinks it's okay to call armed thugs to show up because of how someone is using their own property...

There are certainly non-Statists who are registered as Democrats in NH, but you ain't one of them...
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
It would be interesting to read.

He's been quite public in his support for persecutions of Freestaters who he believes don't treat their property (animals) how he likes animals to be treated.

To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".

That's because you're an ignorant fool, maybe?  Where were you, ten years ago?  Because I was already active in NH politics, then, and had been for a number of years.

He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

Nope.  Just the really offensive ones.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

Anarcho-capitalists don't condone waving guns at others, due to how they treat their own property.

Joe
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: MaineShark on March 24, 2011, 04:04:00 pm
Could you take this to private message, MaineShark?   It really has absolutely nothing to do with NH redistricting.

Folks asked for clarification...

Anyway, it does seem to have to do with whether those who, in NH, choose to run as or elect Democrats, are more or less Statist than those who choose to do the same with Republicans.

In most of the US, there's essentially no difference between the DNC and the GOP.  In NH, there are some substantial oddities.  The NH GOP is substantially more liberty-oriented than the NH DNC.  But the NH version of the RLC is actually less strongly libertarian than the national RLC.

I'd also mention that the added representative here in Grafton County isn't necessarily due to folks moving to Grafton (town).  The article doesn't specify which of Grafton county's districts is gaining a representative (the county has ten house districts and two senate districts, IIRC).

It will be interesting to see how they propose to redistrict things.  We're unlikely to actually gain a representative, here in Grafton (town), as we already have three.  I expect any changes will be further north.  Although I wouldn't put anything past them...

Joe
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: freedomroad on March 24, 2011, 04:29:45 pm
A lot of the growth is in towns where Republicans tend to do far better in elections than Democrats.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/913393-196/growth-strong-in-area-towns.html

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Bedford’s population grew 16 percent from 2000 to 2010, while Brookline saw a 19 percent increase and Windham grew a whopping 27 percent.

Mont Vernon saw 18 percent growth, Litchfield grew 12 percent and Milford grew by 11 percent.

Quote
Pelham 18.17

Windham grew by 2,883 and each State Rep will represent around 3,300 people so this town alone almost grow by almost a whole State Rep.  It is worth noting that Windham is one of the most Republican places in NH.

Overall, heavily Republican areas are expected to gain State Reps and heavily Democratic areas are expected to remain the same or lose State Reps because of redistricting.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: ny2nh on March 24, 2011, 05:36:13 pm
Another post confusing philosophy with party.  What will it take to understand that Liberty does NOT mean Republican, and Democrats are NOT necessarily the enemy?
Not necessarily....just generally.  :o
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: John Edward Mercier on March 25, 2011, 01:07:25 am
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
Joe (MaineShark) is hilarious.
To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".
He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

@Joe: Love ya, baby    :-*
How can you be an AnCap... forgetting the oxymoron of this for a moment... and wish the federal government, or any government, to decree gold and silver as money/
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: John Edward Mercier on March 25, 2011, 01:10:00 am
A lot of the growth is in towns where Republicans tend to do far better in elections than Democrats.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/913393-196/growth-strong-in-area-towns.html

Quote
Bedford’s population grew 16 percent from 2000 to 2010, while Brookline saw a 19 percent increase and Windham grew a whopping 27 percent.

Mont Vernon saw 18 percent growth, Litchfield grew 12 percent and Milford grew by 11 percent.

Quote
Pelham 18.17

Windham grew by 2,883 and each State Rep will represent around 3,300 people so this town alone almost grow by almost a whole State Rep.  It is worth noting that Windham is one of the most Republican places in NH.

Overall, heavily Republican areas are expected to gain State Reps and heavily Democratic areas are expected to remain the same or lose State Reps because of redistricting.
Its really dependent upon various situations. Neither the Dems nor Reps have a majority contingency in NH, so the Independents determine the outcome.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: antistate1190 on March 25, 2011, 01:43:39 am
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
Joe (MaineShark) is hilarious.
To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".
He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

@Joe: Love ya, baby    :-*
How can you be an AnCap... forgetting the oxymoron of this for a moment... and wish the federal government, or any government, to decree gold and silver as money/


We don't need the government to give gold and silver value. Gold and silver never lose their value.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Dreepa on March 25, 2011, 07:34:32 am
A lot of the growth is in towns where Republicans tend to do far better in elections than Democrats.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/913393-196/growth-strong-in-area-towns.html

Quote
Bedford’s population grew 16 percent from 2000 to 2010, while Brookline saw a 19 percent increase and Windham grew a whopping 27 percent.

Mont Vernon saw 18 percent growth, Litchfield grew 12 percent and Milford grew by 11 percent.

Quote
Pelham 18.17

Windham grew by 2,883 and each State Rep will represent around 3,300 people so this town alone almost grow by almost a whole State Rep.  It is worth noting that Windham is one of the most Republican places in NH.

Overall, heavily Republican areas are expected to gain State Reps and heavily Democratic areas are expected to remain the same or lose State Reps because of redistricting.
Its really dependent upon various situations. Neither the Dems nor Reps have a majority contingency in NH, so the Independents determine the outcome.


No such thing in NH as a Independent.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: MaineShark on March 25, 2011, 08:16:36 am
No such thing in NH as a Independent.

Correct, but saying "Undeclareds" sounds silly.

Joe
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: freedomroad on March 25, 2011, 11:28:01 am
A lot of the growth is in towns where Republicans tend to do far better in elections than Democrats.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/913393-196/growth-strong-in-area-towns.html

Quote
Bedford’s population grew 16 percent from 2000 to 2010, while Brookline saw a 19 percent increase and Windham grew a whopping 27 percent.

Mont Vernon saw 18 percent growth, Litchfield grew 12 percent and Milford grew by 11 percent.

Quote
Pelham 18.17

Windham grew by 2,883 and each State Rep will represent around 3,300 people so this town alone almost grow by almost a whole State Rep.  It is worth noting that Windham is one of the most Republican places in NH.

Overall, heavily Republican areas are expected to gain State Reps and heavily Democratic areas are expected to remain the same or lose State Reps because of redistricting.
Its really dependent upon various situations. Neither the Dems nor Reps have a majority contingency in NH, so the Independents determine the outcome.


While it is true that the largest segment of the voting population in NH choices to be undeclared, my above statements are also entirely true.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Denis Goddard on March 25, 2011, 01:32:03 pm
How can you be an AnCap... forgetting the oxymoron of this for a moment... and wish the federal government, or any government, to decree gold and silver as money/
Same way I can be an atheist but really hope that certain religious leaders would disavow the idea of holy war.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: slothman on March 25, 2011, 02:36:58 pm

We don't need the government to give gold and silver value. Gold and silver never lose their value.

They don't seem to now but if everyone uses them as currency then the might lose value.
Or at least have impurities put in to overvalue them.
Some people may not notice that they are not pure.

I still think mercury or palladium should be the coinage metals. :D
I wonder what Hg's value was throught history.

What does this have any relationship to the House power?
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: BigJoe on March 25, 2011, 03:51:51 pm
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
Joe (MaineShark) is hilarious.
To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".
He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

@Joe: Love ya, baby    :-*
How can you be an AnCap... forgetting the oxymoron of this for a moment... and wish the federal government, or any government, to decree gold and silver as money/


We don't need the government to give gold and silver value. Gold and silver never lose their value.

what are you talking about?  The value of gold, silver, and everything else is constantly in flux, and is different for every person.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: John Edward Mercier on March 26, 2011, 07:04:07 am
What posts did he do that implies he is a statist?
Joe (MaineShark) is hilarious.
To the best of my knowledge, posting on the internet is the extent of his "activism".
He also loves sniping at people he considers to be "less pure" than his 100%-pure self.

FWIW, I am an anarcocapitalist. I am totally upfront about that. I even talk about it frankly on a TV show shown in over a dozen towns across NH. But I'm not pure enough for Joe.

@Joe: Love ya, baby    :-*
How can you be an AnCap... forgetting the oxymoron of this for a moment... and wish the federal government, or any government, to decree gold and silver as money/


We don't need the government to give gold and silver value. Gold and silver never lose their value.
They do relatively.
Title: Re: Possible Minor Power Shift in NH House Due to Freestaters
Post by: Luck on March 31, 2011, 02:56:49 pm
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If anyone is gonna take NH to the promised land (secession) its gonna be Republicans leading the charge
* I doubt if secession would be a promised land. We'd just end up being subjugated by the CIA, the Mafia, the IMF, or who knows what. In other words, there'd probably be virtually no change.
* I think the only hope is internal reform, with help from people in public office, who sympathize with Oath Keepers, FSP etc. And I think it has to start with Free Towns, or in other states Free Counties, etc.