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Title: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 03, 2010, 05:21:04 pm
I have just signed up with the Next 1000 pledge today. I decided to do this sometime ago but wanted to attend PorcFest and meet some people in NH first.
http://www.pledgebank.com/Next1000

I also have been wanting to organize a caravan to move with other people. I also want to promote the pledge to get more numbers there. Right now there are no major events I know of in September, although the Alt Expo might have a fall event starting this year. There is an Octoberfest but I don't know much about it.

I am planning to move in September 2011 and have just created an event on facebook for this. I am calling it the Next 1000 Liberty Caravan, tentatively set for the start date of September 7, 2011. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=135525403138047

Those who wish to join can PM me on either this site or Facebook, or post in this thread or RSVP on facebook.

I want to suggest that a separate subforum be created for caravaners. Other people wanting to coordinate rides to visit or move to NH could also be in that subforum. I think it would make it easier for people to find this sort of thing. I think this subforum might be better split off and reserved for info about the places and housing in New Hampshire. In other words, I would find it useful to separate the two functions currently combined into one section of the forum.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: slayerboy on July 04, 2010, 03:58:29 pm
I love this idea.  I might sign up for this and push up my "deadline" that I want to move to NH by to then instead of next year's PorcFest.    Depends on how long I can stand staying in NY to save some FRN's to move.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 04, 2010, 04:33:13 pm
Well, mixed feelings on this post. I'm glad to have a potential taker on the caravan, but I don't want to ask anyone to delay their move to join.
I was kind of hoping more to appeal to the people that don't know when they want to move, and give them a reason to have a more definite plan.

Anyway, it's your decision!

PS Where do you live in NY?
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: slayerboy on July 04, 2010, 09:06:09 pm
No no, I do like the idea for people who know they want to move put don't know when.  It goes great with the next 1000 stuff.

I live in Rochester, NY.  Home to Xerox, Bausch & Lomb, Kodak, Paychex, the Lilac Festival, the Garbage Plate, failed fast ferries to Toronto, one of the highest crime rates in NY state, and the birthplace of Jello is just outside the metro area.  I love this place, but the idiocy is killing me.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 05, 2010, 09:57:08 pm
I know about all of that stuff, having lived in Rochester 7 years - the politicians had to have some project to make it look like they were doing something worthwhile. The Toronto ferry didn't have enough people from Toronto taking it, it was almost all Rochesterians going over there. So the private company operating it failed, the city took it over, and then the city had to stop it anyway after spending all that money buying the ship. What about the expensive Charlotte Beach renovations including the big port building, or the city building the soccer stadium?

So did they ever build the big underground bus station (somehow safely venting all those gasoline fumes right onto the Main Street sidewalks) in downtown Rochester after demolishing a whole block of historic buildings including a perfectly functioning city-owned parking garage, which forced most of the operating small businesses on Main Street with sidewalk access to close or relocate, and making the transfers take even longer in the downtown? It was still in planning when I left Rochester in 2006. I thought bus stations made sense but for a lot less money they could have built several on vacant land on the edges of downtown and had free shuttles (oops I assumed the city had any money) through downtown to connect them, maybe even looping around the Inner Loop (unless they threw away a bunch of money on taking up that convenient freeway-like road under the philosophy that the Inner Loop dividing the city was what caused all the poverty and crime outside of the loop, as some people were discussing back in 2006). Maybe you aren't a bus rider and don't know about this.

You're right to want to get out of there, as beautiful as it is. I loved certain things about it and had a small emotional joyful moment (the only one from my recent NH trip that wasn't in NH or about freedom) on the flight from Manchester to Detroit when I could recognize enough lake, highway, and river detail that I was 100% sure we were flying over Rochester. Still, freedom is worth a small sacrifice.

So, back to the thread topic. If you are delaying your move to have enough money in the bank, that seems like a good reason. If you just want to move with other people, it seems likely there will be another carpool thing for Porcfest next year. You are close enough to get there in 1 day of driving - I get tired easily but I think even I could get to southern NH from Rochester in one day.

After saying that, if you still want to do the caravan in September, welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: slayerboy on July 06, 2010, 08:33:56 am
I know about all of that stuff, having lived in Rochester 7 years - the politicians had to have some project to make it look like they were doing something worthwhile. The Toronto ferry didn't have enough people from Toronto taking it, it was almost all Rochesterians going over there. So the private company operating it failed, the city took it over, and then the city had to stop it anyway after spending all that money buying the ship. What about the expensive Charlotte Beach renovations including the big port building, or the city building the soccer stadium?

So did they ever build the big underground bus station (somehow safely venting all those gasoline fumes right onto the Main Street sidewalks) in downtown Rochester after demolishing a whole block of historic buildings including a perfectly functioning city-owned parking garage, which forced most of the operating small businesses on Main Street with sidewalk access to close or relocate, and making the transfers take even longer in the downtown? It was still in planning when I left Rochester in 2006. I thought bus stations made sense but for a lot less money they could have built several on vacant land on the edges of downtown and had free shuttles (oops I assumed the city had any money) through downtown to connect them, maybe even looping around the Inner Loop (unless they threw away a bunch of money on taking up that convenient freeway-like road under the philosophy that the Inner Loop dividing the city was what caused all the poverty and crime outside of the loop, as some people were discussing back in 2006). Maybe you aren't a bus rider and don't know about this.

You're right to want to get out of there, as beautiful as it is. I loved certain things about it and had a small emotional joyful moment (the only one from my recent NH trip that wasn't in NH or about freedom) on the flight from Manchester to Detroit when I could recognize enough lake, highway, and river detail that I was 100% sure we were flying over Rochester. Still, freedom is worth a small sacrifice.

So, back to the thread topic. If you are delaying your move to have enough money in the bank, that seems like a good reason. If you just want to move with other people, it seems likely there will be another carpool thing for Porcfest next year. You are close enough to get there in 1 day of driving - I get tired easily but I think even I could get to southern NH from Rochester in one day.

After saying that, if you still want to do the caravan in September, welcome aboard!

Bus station......um yeah....like everything, it's pretty much fell through.

I made it to PorcFest in about 9 hours with a couple of stops in between.  To get to southern NH it would probably be about a 6 hour drive.  One of the reasons why I wasn't really part of the caravan to this year's PorcFest is because Rochester is too far north to meet up with anyone, they all seemed to avoid the thruway tolls. lol.

We'll see how things go here.  I'm back in my "saving mode" after a few happenings, including Porcfest, the last couple of months.  As long as my truck holds up with no major repairs, I should have it paid off in 2 months and then start saving for the move.  There's a chance I could move by October, but if not by then it won't happen until after winter.  Who knows lol.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on July 06, 2010, 06:25:36 pm
Good times, brah.  I'd love to help out if folks are interested in doing something like this.  We got some good media attention from the last caravan, and these events are fun stuff, eh.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 07, 2010, 10:29:19 am
We've got plenty to time to advertise this, but I appreciate any help I can get.

I was thinking of doing some cheap advertising this month just on facebook (along with trying to bump my posts here and on NH underground, unless they take my suggestions and give me a separate forum section for caravans in which case it is unlikely to go down much. I just think it doesn't make much sense to have something that is happening in a year in the same subforum as something that happens frequently and is posted a week before it happens). I would plan to ramp up advertising in September or October, perhaps an ad on FTL and other radio shows, and push hard through December, until the deadline for signing up for the Next 1000 pledge (end of 2010). Next year I would probably not do much, at least in terms of spending money on advertising, until after Porcfest, and then I would hit it hard until the caravan actually happens. Any suggestions, Max or others? What has been done so far to advertise the Next 1000?
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on July 07, 2010, 12:51:56 pm
aren't we still on the first 1000?   ???
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on July 07, 2010, 12:53:17 pm
aren't we still on the first 1000?   ???

yup!!!!

Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on July 07, 2010, 01:02:56 pm
oh good I thought I had missed a couple hundred people moving.  It's good that this next 1000 project is getting attention but I wonder if people will take it seriously when they find out that 1000 people haven't yet moved. 

Good luck with the caravan!
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: slayerboy on July 07, 2010, 01:16:48 pm
I signed up for the Next 1000, but that was before I went to Porcfest this year.  I am going to try my hardest to be within the first 1000 movers, but timing is everything.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 07, 2010, 05:29:58 pm
You're right about the official count of movers not reaching 1000 yet. I think I just read that the link for people to say they have moved was broken. Also some people have moved and not updated their addresses. Can we do more to encourage those people to report in?

Also it seems likely we will reach 1000 movers by then anyway. The first 1000 was for people to pledge to move, and 1033 made the pledge.

http://freestateproject.org/first1000

Although they were supposed to move by the end of 2008, and only 831 total movers have reported that they moved, however it will be nice to have something for more people to pledge to. Getting the pledgers to actually move is not something I can do.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: BigJoe on July 07, 2010, 07:59:55 pm
thats something that is a bit confusing.  If say for instance I move in the next two months, does that make me part of the "First 1000" even though I didn't sign the first 1,000 pledge?  Why is there a 'next 1000' before the first thousand?    Is there a different count for 'pledge to move within quickly approaching x year'  and 'actually moved to NH after y number of people already had' ?
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on July 07, 2010, 08:50:01 pm
plans might be underway for the 13th 1000 soon.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: BigJoe on July 07, 2010, 10:33:55 pm
another thing, what happens when the counter hits 20,000.  Does it stop accepting pledges?  I would certainly hope not. I think its obvious to everyone that not every last signer of the SoI is going to actually move, so if the goal is to get 20,000 movers, I would think we would need a lot more signers.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on July 08, 2010, 02:32:42 pm
maybe that's when the FSP 2 starts. . . .
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 08, 2010, 02:53:18 pm
thats something that is a bit confusing.  If say for instance I move in the next two months, does that make me part of the "First 1000" even though I didn't sign the first 1,000 pledge?  Why is there a 'next 1000' before the first thousand?    Is there a different count for 'pledge to move within quickly approaching x year'  and 'actually moved to NH after y number of people already had' ?

Depends on if you're counting pledgers or movers, and yes you're right that there is some confusion. You're never going to get the two numbers to be the same (in other words 100% of the pledgers to move by the deadline? In a movement of free people? Please.). There is a next 1000 because the first 1000 deadline passed and had the number of signers they were looking for. The Next 1000, by the way, was not done by the Free State Project, unlike the First 1000, but by a self-starting individual, Max Abramson, and I for one am very glad he did it, as it gives me something to sign to say when I plan to move, and a means to publicize that move.

Although I picked a date when I wanted to move when I signed the FSP Statement of Intent, there really isn't a website with them to promote the date I chose, and Max's pledge helped me narrow down the dates of my move as well. If you don't like the name, you certainly don't have to sign it, but if the only reason you don't sign it is because the First 1000 haven't all moved, that seems to me like focusing on semantics rather than substance (Actually I understand a whole bunch of people have moved and not updated their addresses after moving - any decentralized liberty movement is going to have some people get lost in the cracks like this - I certainly prefer this to someone having a central database and spying on everyone).

I am glad people who want to move have something to sign besides the FSP SOI, you can do your own pledge if you don't like the wording or name of ours. Signing the first 1000 wouldn't make sense now because you would be pledging to move by 2008.

If you can design a pledge that wouldn't have the problems you are complaining about, go ahead. It seems to me it would have to be open-ended (ie no signup deadline, no date when signers are supposed to move, if the idea is to leave it running until, say, 2000 people have ACTUALLY moved - and I don't see how such an open-ended pledge would actually accomplish anything in terms of encouraging people to move, rather it would just be a way to try to clean up the messiness of having two different numbers. If you are one of those personality types that has to organize everything - and we need all of the types, I don't mean that as a put-down - I hope you will move and focus on more important issues). The point of this is to get people to move sooner, and even if we don't get 1000 people to sign, we will still accomplish that goal. Personally, I'll be happy to have a few people to caravan with me. Actually, if the Free State Now project is successful we will have a lot of new FSP signers shortly, so that would be an important group to promote this to.

I look forward to seeing you in the Free(r) State, no matter what pledges you decide to create, sign or boycott!
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 08, 2010, 02:56:18 pm
maybe that's when the FSP 2 starts. . . .

Or someone who believes in getting active for freedom will create another pledge.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on July 08, 2010, 02:59:25 pm
thats something that is a bit confusing.  If say for instance I move in the next two months, does that make me part of the "First 1000" even though I didn't sign the first 1,000 pledge?  Why is there a 'next 1000' before the first thousand?    Is there a different count for 'pledge to move within quickly approaching x year'  and 'actually moved to NH after y number of people already had' ?

The 'First 1000' was an official plan to get 1000 people to AGREE to move to NH before the end of 2008.

1000 people did sign up so the pledge was successful but obviously 1000 have not moved to NH yet.


The next 1000 is an unofficial group to get people here by sept 2011.   It will probably fail in getting 1000 signers.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 08, 2010, 03:50:09 pm
Unless the Free State Now is really successful, and we can get a bunch of those new FSP signers to move that quickly, I agree.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: BigJoe on July 08, 2010, 04:23:52 pm
yes well I had already signed the next 1,000, I just find it strange that I will be within the first 1,000 movers.

What are the numbers on the first 1,000?  How many movers were there when it started?  How many actually moved by the date?  How many of those signed the first 1,000?


I think maybe a better format would just be   a "Move by X date" pledge.   And just have people promise to move by x date, and let that number be whatever it is, but also allow people to put in caveats, of "I will only move by x date if . . . "  but with the most popular if being the number of signers of this pledge are Y, by X minus  6 months or a year date.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on July 08, 2010, 04:32:33 pm
yes well I had already signed the next 1,000, I just find it strange that I will be within the first 1,000 movers.

What are the numbers on the first 1,000?  How many movers were there when it started?  How many actually moved by the date?  How many of those signed the first 1,000?


I think 256 were in NH when the vote occured. (250ish)  so about 650ish movers
There are some people  who moved to NH and moved out.
Some people haven't updated their status.
Some people who moved and who never joined the FSP.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on July 08, 2010, 06:34:51 pm
I signed up for the Next 1000, but that was before I went to Porcfest this year.  I am going to try my hardest to be within the first 1000 movers, but timing is everything.

Of the "First 1,000" signers (I was number 12--then told that my name didn't take, and had to re-sign), most who weren't already here never moved--and probably never will.  (A few folks said that they would not do anything for the Next 1,000 until all of the First 1,000 movers had made it in.) The folks who were discussing a "second wave" or "second 1,000" during the Ron Paul campaign wanted to tap into the Operation Live Free or Die folks and Ron Paul publicity to get a lot of new folks in. 

The First 1,000 (and the Next 1,000) wasn't about the main counter, but a secondary pledge for folks wanting to get here right away.  The FSP Board's pledge doesn't take effect until we reach 20,000 signers, which should happen some time around 2030, at the current rate of new signers.

The First 1,000 had the official endorsement and support of the FSP Board.  The Next 1,000 has reached its current mark strictly as a grass roots effort by participants--and against some early opposition by the Board.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on July 08, 2010, 08:53:13 pm
lol @ folks
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 16, 2010, 04:55:06 pm

(A few folks said that they would not do anything for the Next 1,000 until all of the First 1,000 movers had made it in.)

This seems like a counter-productive attitude to take (pun not intended  ;)), since I find it very useful to have a pledge with a specific deadline with number of people agreeing to that deadline easily visible on the internet (whether or not we ever reach the goal for number of signers).

Insisting on all the first 1000 moving first is guaranteeing a second 1000 pledge would never happen. I will go out on a limb and say I agree, there will NEVER be a point in time at which 100% of the first 1000 pledge signers have moved - if by some remotely unlikely scenario it happens, it will be too late for a next 1000 pledge to be useful.

Therefore, by taking that attitude, a person is expecting the first phase to operate perfectly before allowing a second phase to even exist. Ridiculous. You might be able to wait until 1000 people have moved, but they won't all be signers of the First 1000 pledge, but I don't see the point of even that except an obsession with mathematical precision, not really practical when it comes to human interactions. And I say this as a person who loves math! :)
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on July 16, 2010, 05:03:38 pm

(A few folks said that they would not do anything for the Next 1,000 until all of the First 1,000 movers had made it in.)

This seems like a counter-productive attitude to take (pun not intended  ;)), since I find it very useful to have a pledge with a specific deadline with number of people agreeing to that deadline easily visible on the internet (whether or not we ever reach the goal for number of signers).

Insisting on all the first 1000 moving first is guaranteeing a second 1000 pledge would never happen. I will go out on a limb and say I agree, there will NEVER be a point in time at which 100% of the first 1000 pledge signers have moved - if by some remotely unlikely scenario it happens, it will be too late for a next 1000 pledge to be useful.

Therefore, by taking that attitude, a person is expecting the first phase to operate perfectly before allowing a second phase to even exist. Ridiculous. You might be able to wait until 1000 people have moved, but they won't all be signers of the First 1000 pledge, but I don't see the point of even that except an obsession with mathematical precision, not really practical when it comes to human interactions. And I say this as a person who loves math! :)

I think part of it is....
that libertarians set huge lofty goals.... fail... and then set another huge lofty goal.

better to set smaller achievable goals and learn from previous mistakes.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on July 16, 2010, 05:12:25 pm
For the future, what kind of pledge goal would seem more realistic to you, Dreepa, after we pass the signup deadline for the Next 1000 pledge? 500? 200? Or something structured in a completely different way? I agree and I think learning from our failures can be a wonderful thing (I'm just not ready to give up on the Next 1000 thing yet but if it doesn't reach its goal, it still helped me to move so I'm ok with that).

Edit: It seems like, if it does fail, it will be because it expected too many people to move in a certain time period, where most of the movement has been more slow and steady. Honing that expectation is good, but so is finding ways to motivate people to move sooner. For me, the pledge does that. I'm interested in finding other ways to motivate people to move sooner too, any suggestions welcome.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on July 17, 2010, 04:59:36 pm
I will laugh heartilly when the next 1000 caravan comes and they are welcomed as part of the first 1000
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: KBCraig on July 17, 2010, 09:43:26 pm
I will laugh heartilly when the next 1000 caravan comes and they are welcomed as part of the first 1000

I think you could poll the various forums and groups and random gatherings of Free-Staters, and easily add up 164 who moved without notifying the FSP, or moved without even joining the FSP. I'm not the only one who thinks the "official movers" counter is at least 20% low.

Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on July 18, 2010, 01:46:18 pm
I will laugh heartilly when the next 1000 caravan comes and they are welcomed as part of the first 1000

I think you could poll the various forums and groups and random gatherings of Free-Staters, and easily add up 164 who moved without notifying the FSP, or moved without even joining the FSP. I'm not the only one who thinks the "official movers" counter is at least 20% low.



i dunno if there are 164  that seems like a really high number.
Maybe 30-50... (I have talked to soooo many people and got them to sign up and change their status here in NH... plus I can think of at least 20 people who move to NH, changed their status to NH..... and then moved out.... and I then pestered them to change their status to outside of NH and they didn't)

Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on August 23, 2010, 02:26:05 pm
I will laugh heartilly when the next 1000 caravan comes and they are welcomed as part of the first 1000

Maybe. The mover count seems to be moving quickly enough that it might reach 1000 before Sep 2011.

Besides, it's good to have something to laugh about, with all the bad news out there.

If it happens, I'll laugh with you, but I'll BE LAUGHING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: FreeStyle on August 28, 2010, 08:59:23 am
I like that idea.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on September 03, 2010, 12:45:18 am
Most estimates I've heard for the number who've moved but never signed up run around 200-500, and a few have suggested maybe more.  I've run into people who moved after hearing of the FSP while campaigning both in Manch and Seabrook, so it's plausible that over a thousand have moved that we don't know about or didn't sign up.

For that matter, maybe we need to call Next 1,000 the Third Thou'.

Seriously, the Next 1,000 needs support from folks.  Call up radio stations, write letters to the editor, email your friends, and remind folks who are about to move (or have just moved) that this is a worthwhile effort.  These two counters are critical to getting new folks to move in.  Many have sat on the fence and simply declared this project hopeless.  Others sign on for the 20,000 SOI, but then lose interest as the Main Counter slowly creeps up.

If we want to see this caravan effort work, we have to build up the groundwork and get people to commit to the move--by September of next year.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on September 03, 2010, 12:47:52 am

(A few folks said that they would not do anything for the Next 1,000 until all of the First 1,000 movers had made it in.)

This seems like a counter-productive attitude to take (pun not intended  ;)), since I find it very useful to have a pledge with a specific deadline with number of people agreeing to that deadline easily visible on the internet (whether or not we ever reach the goal for number of signers).

Insisting on all the first 1000 moving first is guaranteeing a second 1000 pledge would never happen. I will go out on a limb and say I agree, there will NEVER be a point in time at which 100% of the first 1000 pledge signers have moved - if by some remotely unlikely scenario it happens, it will be too late for a next 1000 pledge to be useful.

Therefore, by taking that attitude, a person is expecting the first phase to operate perfectly before allowing a second phase to even exist. Ridiculous. You might be able to wait until 1000 people have moved, but they won't all be signers of the First 1000 pledge, but I don't see the point of even that except an obsession with mathematical precision, not really practical when it comes to human interactions. And I say this as a person who loves math! :)

And if two or three hundred of the First 1K NEVER make the move, does that mean that we have to give up the project altogether?  Does that mean that we can never have a second thousand?
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on September 03, 2010, 08:27:45 am

(A few folks said that they would not do anything for the Next 1,000 until all of the First 1,000 movers had made it in.)

This seems like a counter-productive attitude to take (pun not intended  ;)), since I find it very useful to have a pledge with a specific deadline with number of people agreeing to that deadline easily visible on the internet (whether or not we ever reach the goal for number of signers).

Insisting on all the first 1000 moving first is guaranteeing a second 1000 pledge would never happen. I will go out on a limb and say I agree, there will NEVER be a point in time at which 100% of the first 1000 pledge signers have moved - if by some remotely unlikely scenario it happens, it will be too late for a next 1000 pledge to be useful.

Therefore, by taking that attitude, a person is expecting the first phase to operate perfectly before allowing a second phase to even exist. Ridiculous. You might be able to wait until 1000 people have moved, but they won't all be signers of the First 1000 pledge, but I don't see the point of even that except an obsession with mathematical precision, not really practical when it comes to human interactions. And I say this as a person who loves math! :)

And if two or three hundred of the First 1K NEVER make the move, does that mean that we have to give up the project altogether?  Does that mean that we can never have a second thousand?

no but it could have been planned better.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: Dreepa on September 03, 2010, 08:28:44 am
Most estimates I've heard for the number who've moved but never signed up run around 200-500, and a few have suggested maybe more.  I've run into people who moved after hearing of the FSP while campaigning both in Manch and Seabrook, so it's plausible that over a thousand have moved that we don't know about or didn't sign up.


that is way way way high.
If we had another 500 we would see more volunteers on some campaigns.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on September 03, 2010, 10:47:53 pm
Hmmmmm...  I meet a lot more people who are interested in the project than folks who are actually going out and doing stuff.

Literally, I meet people everywhere who have told me that they moved here because they heard about the FSP.  They are only here because of the FSP, but they haven't signed up for anything.

Since the don't sign up or get onto the fora, they never really have an opportunity to find out about our weekly meetups, so you don't see those folks.  If I HAD to guess, I would put the figure at around 1,000.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on September 10, 2010, 03:13:29 pm
The caravan is now less than a year away. I encourage anyone who is considering being part of this caravan to RSVP on the facebook page as a maybe, I have one maybe so far. This will help me in planning a route (next year, I'm not worrying about a route this far out time-wise from the caravan).

Also if there any events going on that will be right after the caravan arrives, I would like to use those to promote the caravan as well. My intended arrival date in NH is about Sep 19 or 20 - is there anything planned for that time frame?

Does anyone do anything on Sep 20th (9-20)?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on September 12, 2010, 10:59:28 pm
Taproom Tuesday (Manchester) and Wicked Wednesday (La Festa's in Dover) are always good, and they go every week.  There's a smaller meetup on Saturdays at 2pm in Hampton Falls.

BTW, I'm planning on starting another ad run right after the primary on Tuesday.  I'm going to do as much as I can when I get some free time.
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: 10stateswithnh on September 21, 2010, 09:20:06 am
Where are you advertising, Max? What is the cost?
Title: Re: Next 1000 Liberty Caravan
Post by: maxxoccupancy on October 03, 2010, 12:04:36 am
Ridley report, ridleyreport.com, Free Talk Live (site and radio), porcmanor.com, freestatenow.com, etc

I have also convinced a few other folks to put the pledgebank.com/Next1000 link in their forum and email signatures.  The more folks who do this, the more exposure you get.  This is a relatively simple thing that folks who are out of state can do to help get folks here by the end of next year, so that we can do some real good.