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Title: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Calcedone on April 02, 2010, 10:02:50 am
I'll be brief.

I am a bisexual male, aged 23, I smoke marijuana, I drink alcohol, I am an earth-worshiping pagan, I support open/gay/bi/tran/queer/hetero marriage, I support freedom to bear arms, to refuse a mandatory ID, to worship freely (or to not worship at all), and to behave with little or NO government interaction.

What is the level of discrimination I can expect if I move to NH? Will the movement be wholeheartedly disgusted with someone like me? Walt Whitman & H D Thoreau (think Civil Disobedience) are a few of my heroes, so in many ways I feel strong connections with the FSP. Nonetheless, I am not a conservative. I think the Arts are very important, and I don't give a darn about capitalism and profit, other than working an honest trade to provide for myself and family.

Is this the group for me, or should I stay "left"  ????? =)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Dreepa on April 02, 2010, 10:10:01 am
it could be for you.

There are gay pot smoking alcohol drinking, pagans here.  (I am not sure if some people are bisexual... cuz I never asked them or cared)

I think based on what you wrote you would be accepted by most freestaters...

I like 'the Arts' as well... just don't want the government to fund them.



welcome to the forum
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: MengerFan on April 02, 2010, 10:44:05 am
This thread title sounds like a great slogan for PorcFest. Come on out. It's alot of fun.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: WendellBerry on April 02, 2010, 10:45:41 am
what - no bestiality?
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: dalebert on April 02, 2010, 11:28:01 am
what - no bestiality?

I know, huh?  My only issue with you is you sound kinda boring.  ;)
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: greap on April 02, 2010, 12:15:35 pm
what - no bestiality?

I know, huh?  My only issue with you is you sound kinda boring.  ;)

/me gets the peanut butter and the hounds
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: maxxoccupancy on April 02, 2010, 09:14:01 pm
You'll fit right in.  If anything, you may have a tough time deciding which gun-pot-bi-pagan accepting town is right for you.

Don't forget to sign at pledgebank.com/Next1000 and also update your address when you make the move.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: BigJoe on April 02, 2010, 09:33:07 pm
I think the Arts are very important, and I don't give a darn about capitalism and profit, other than working an honest trade to provide for myself and family.

Is this the group for me, or should I stay "left"  ????? =)

Thanks.

you don't need to be a materialistic workaholic in order to be in favor of capitalism.  Its much easier to be able to work an honest trade to provide for yourself and your family in a capitalist society.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: KDus on April 02, 2010, 10:27:31 pm
My wife will need others that are willling to be "sky-clad" in her coven; when we move there.
I don't know much about the guardians and watch towers, but pagan parties are as fun as jewish parties; so I'm in.
Title: HECK YEAH!
Post by: Calcedone on April 02, 2010, 11:53:48 pm
Sold.

And still surprised, I suppose.

The more I check you guys out; currency, minimalistic government, freedoms, etc., the more impressed I grow.

I'm gonna go sign at pledgebank right now.

!!!!
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Pat K on April 03, 2010, 12:22:27 am
Man not another one of those alcohol drinkers!
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Calcedone on April 03, 2010, 12:39:11 am
Haha. Well, I suppose what happened was that I had a lot of friends who like you folks, and they were also members of the Constitution Party which feels that a family consists only of hetero-normative, bibilically-based, conservative-fundamentalist, right-winged, straightlaced-republican christians.

I have no problem with those sort of people, I just happen not to be of that persuasion. However, I behaved poorly and lumped all Libertarians in the same pot. I suppose that at the root of my problem lay my true ignorance. I just didn't know enough about you.

Now that I do...

I like.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: creaganlios on April 03, 2010, 07:53:34 am
Please be sure to join us in our "Pink Pistols" afternoon shoots at my home in Winchester when you get here.  Afterwards, you can enjoy the best in home-brewed....

And try to be a little more flamboyant if you hope to stand out from the crowd, huh?   ;D
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Calcedone on April 03, 2010, 08:48:21 am
For sure!!!
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Toowm on April 03, 2010, 09:26:56 am
Haha. Well, I suppose what happened was that I had a lot of friends who like you folks, and they were also members of the Constitution Party which feels that a family consists only of hetero-normative, bibilically-based, conservative-fundamentalist, right-winged, straightlaced-republican christians.

And you can have more friends like that... except for the Constitution Party and right-wing part.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Calcedone on April 03, 2010, 08:54:05 pm
So why have enough people not heard of FSP? Why not enough national exposure? So many people I have begun to talk about this with are clueless!!!!! What can be done! It's killing me!
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: rossby on April 03, 2010, 08:54:50 pm
Keep talking to people.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: dalebert on April 03, 2010, 11:51:53 pm
I definitely have the sense of a tipping point approaching, then an exponential explosion.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Dreepa on April 04, 2010, 11:50:54 am
So why have enough people not heard of FSP? Why not enough national exposure? So many people I have begun to talk about this with are clueless!!!!! What can be done! It's killing me!

spreading the word:

online
or in person.

I do think that about 30K 'libertarian' people have heard of the FSP... but as you can see only about 1/3 of them have joined.

People are 'afraid'/want to see if it works... etc etc.
We will get to 20K....
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: KDus on April 04, 2010, 04:10:02 pm
A few days ago, I was chatting with my old boss and good friend. I told him of my intention to relocate to NH and he asked, "what's in New Hampshire?" I directed him to the FSP website and he was interested.

So, after working for the guy for over 5 years, I never said enough about my intention to even get to the topic of New Hampshire. Fail

Think of all the people to whom you will explain the FSP when you move to a state they've never heard anything about.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: rossby on April 04, 2010, 04:59:04 pm
So, after working for the guy for over 5 years, I never said enough about my intention to even get to the topic of New Hampshire. Fail

That, so much. Times a billion.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Dreepa on April 05, 2010, 06:33:52 am
So, after working for the guy for over 5 years, I never said enough about my intention to even get to the topic of New Hampshire. Fail

That, so much. Times a billion.

nah thanks 20,000   :)
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2010, 09:31:17 am
i don't recommend any of those activities

but they probably happen at freestater parties i don't go to
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: LiftsBoxes on April 05, 2010, 04:32:40 pm
As long as you are open to the freedoms of monotheistic, straight, abstainers (assuming you ever meet one) ... I don't think you will have any problems.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Moving_on_up on April 07, 2010, 06:17:32 pm


I'll be brief.

I am a bisexual male, aged 23, I smoke marijuana, I drink alcohol, I am an earth-worshiping pagan, I support open/gay/bi/tran/queer/hetero marriage, I support freedom to bear arms, to refuse a mandatory ID, to worship freely (or to not worship at all), and to behave with little or NO government interaction.

What is the level of discrimination I can expect if I move to NH? Will the movement be wholeheartedly disgusted with someone like me? Walt Whitman & H D Thoreau (think Civil Disobedience) are a few of my heroes, so in many ways I feel strong connections with the FSP. Nonetheless, I am not a conservative. I think the Arts are very important, and I don't give a darn about capitalism and profit, other than working an honest trade to provide for myself and family.

Is this the group for me, or should I stay "left"  ????? =)

Thanks.

If you don't care for capitalism, why move to NH where profits via capitalism will be the only means of survival since government will not be allowed to provide for the General Welfare?  Why do you call yourself leftist?  Do you believe in Nationalized Healthcare?  Why do you think you are not Conservative?  Conservatives like the Arts, they believe in the RIGHT to bear arms,  they believe in refusing mandatory ID, they believe in freedom of worship...will you defend someone's right to free speech who believes absolutely in God and believes gay men and women are destined for hell?  Wiill you impose gay marriage as a right?

Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: creaganlios on April 07, 2010, 06:57:38 pm
[quote author=Moving_on_up link=topic=20437.msg241010#msg241010 date=1270682252will you defend someone's right to free speech who believes absolutely in God and believes gay men and women are destined for hell?  Wiill you impose gay marriage as a right?[/quote]

WARNING! WARNING!  Confused Social Conservative thinks he's liberty-minded!

Yes, I will absolutely defend your religious and speech right to believe and proclaim that gay men and women are hell-bound.  And I will defend your church's right to teach that doctrine.

No, I will not defend your efforts to impose that belief on those who believe otherwise, nor will I defend your efforts to stop my church from mattying me and my same-sex partner.  Nor will I support your efforts to prevent the state from acknoweldging our relationship.

Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: BigJoe on April 07, 2010, 11:40:55 pm


I'll be brief.

I am a bisexual male, aged 23, I smoke marijuana, I drink alcohol, I am an earth-worshiping pagan, I support open/gay/bi/tran/queer/hetero marriage, I support freedom to bear arms, to refuse a mandatory ID, to worship freely (or to not worship at all), and to behave with little or NO government interaction.

What is the level of discrimination I can expect if I move to NH? Will the movement be wholeheartedly disgusted with someone like me? Walt Whitman & H D Thoreau (think Civil Disobedience) are a few of my heroes, so in many ways I feel strong connections with the FSP. Nonetheless, I am not a conservative. I think the Arts are very important, and I don't give a darn about capitalism and profit, other than working an honest trade to provide for myself and family.

Is this the group for me, or should I stay "left"  ????? =)

Thanks.
Why do you think you are not Conservative?    Wiill you impose gay marriage as a right?


convservativism has just as much in in common with libertarianism as liberalism.

how exactly is gay marriage a right that is 'imposed' on anybody?

In my opinion, the real liberty position on gay marriage is get the government out of ALL marriage.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: artienewport on April 07, 2010, 11:58:01 pm
Just don't move next door to Thom and mow your lawn naked.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: creaganlios on April 08, 2010, 11:03:01 am
Just don't move next door to Thom and mow your lawn naked.

Oh, get over it artie.  So my attempt at humor fel flat because it violated Libertarian Purity Principles. 

You might be humoured to discover that I mow my own lawn stark naked, and i'm really not a bad guy. :-)
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: greap on April 08, 2010, 11:41:01 am
Just don't move next door to Thom and mow your lawn naked.

You sound cool, can we be friends.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Bazil on April 08, 2010, 12:39:23 pm
In my opinion, the real liberty position on gay marriage is get the government out of ALL marriage.

I agree with you there. I wish all the libertarians would get on that page.  We should never forget that a government can never give people rights, but only take them away.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: artienewport on April 08, 2010, 03:36:06 pm
You might be humoured to discover that I mow my own lawn stark naked, and i'm really not a bad guy. :-)


Yeah, I'm gonna need video of that.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Floridian on April 08, 2010, 05:45:58 pm
...the real liberty position on gay marriage is get the government out of ALL marriage.

Concur.

But, I still think the term gay marriage is an oxymoron. There needs to be a new term for a permanent homosexual partnership. 
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: John Edward Mercier on April 08, 2010, 05:53:34 pm
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: BigJoe on April 08, 2010, 06:25:37 pm
...the real liberty position on gay marriage is get the government out of ALL marriage.

Concur.

But, I still think the term gay marriage is an oxymoron. There needs to be a new term for a permanent homosexual partnership. 


feel free to create your own term, but I am sure that people in these permanent homosexual partnerships are going to tell people and think of themselves as married.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: creaganlios on April 08, 2010, 06:44:00 pm
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Probably the same term as a permanent interracial marriage.... ;)
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: dalebert on April 08, 2010, 08:01:20 pm
But, I still think the term gay marriage is an oxymoron.

I realize you don't think the term is appropriate, but do you know what "oxymoron" means? I don't see how you arrived at that particular description. You're suggesting that "gay" has the opposite meaning of "marriage"?
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: John Edward Mercier on April 08, 2010, 11:24:48 pm
I wouldn't consider 'marriage' to be a permanent relationship. Its not natural; its contractual.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: rabbit20 on April 09, 2010, 02:01:53 am
...the real liberty position on gay marriage is get the government out of ALL marriage.

I also agree! The only reason the government is involved in marriage is to collect money from two people loving on another. Marriage is a religious ceremony...NOTHING ELSE!!!!    The gov gets involved to say OK you both now own half of each others assets and there will be a fee for establishing that.  O and if you split up we will decide what to do with your kids, if you have kids, and force the losing party to pay more
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: rossby on April 09, 2010, 03:13:48 am
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Pretty sure no marriage is permanent. Why, some traditional marriage vows expressly contemplate when it will terminate, e.g. death, but not in the event of illness, poverty, or other "bad times".
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: BigJoe on April 09, 2010, 03:51:07 am
Marriage is a religious ceremony...NOTHING ELSE!!!!   

I wouldn't agree with that either.  I certainly think that atheists or non religious people can get married.  Marriage is a contract between two people.  Or between two people and God in the case of religious people.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: John Edward Mercier on April 09, 2010, 07:43:15 am
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Pretty sure no marriage is permanent. Why, some traditional marriage vows expressly contemplate when it will terminate, e.g. death, but not in the event of illness, poverty, or other "bad times".
I was being sarcastic. And I meant to type permanent heterosexual partnership.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Uncle Walt on April 09, 2010, 10:58:09 am
I thought marriage licensing was started by The Church, to "legitimize" the relationship AND recognize "property rights".  (back when women/children were viewed as "property")  Then, since The Church was a power above kingdoms, those licenses were acknowledged by secular governments.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Dreepa on April 09, 2010, 02:05:34 pm
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Pretty sure no marriage is permanent. Why, some traditional marriage vows expressly contemplate when it will terminate, e.g. death, but not in the event of illness, poverty, or other "bad times".

i got married for eternity.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Toowm on April 09, 2010, 02:17:29 pm
i got married for eternity.

It just feels that long  ;D

Thankfully, my wife doesn't read these boards often!
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: JasonPSorens on April 09, 2010, 02:33:04 pm
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Pretty sure no marriage is permanent. Why, some traditional marriage vows expressly contemplate when it will terminate, e.g. death, but not in the event of illness, poverty, or other "bad times".

i got married for eternity.

LDS, right?
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: KDus on April 11, 2010, 05:03:22 pm
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Pretty sure no marriage is permanent. Why, some traditional marriage vows expressly contemplate when it will terminate, e.g. death, but not in the event of illness, poverty, or other "bad times".

i got married for eternity.
A year and a day sounds long enough.
Naa, real Mormons move to Missouri, not NH.  D&C 57:3
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Pat K on April 11, 2010, 06:09:03 pm
And what would the term for a permanent heterosexual marriage be?

Pretty sure no marriage is permanent. Why, some traditional marriage vows expressly contemplate when it will terminate, e.g. death, but not in the event of illness, poverty, or other "bad times".

i got married for eternity.

LDS, right?

LSD
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: John Edward Mercier on April 12, 2010, 04:22:42 pm
I thought marriage licensing was started by The Church, to "legitimize" the relationship AND recognize "property rights".  (back when women/children were viewed as "property")  Then, since The Church was a power above kingdoms, those licenses were acknowledged by secular governments.
No, the actual license was started as a prohibition to certain pairings. States really shouldn't be in that area.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on April 15, 2010, 11:05:30 am
Yeah, you'll be welcome here.

There are gay, bi, asexual, pansexual people and cadres up here. There are polyamorous families and up here. There are kinksters. There's even some push to promote pro-liberty ideas within these existing communities since they're already used to being persecuted and getting active about it.

Pot smokers, hallucinogen users, alcohol users, coffee drinkers and other manner of drug users all reside in NH as part of the FSP.

If anybody has an issue with you, it likely won't be because of your sexuality or lifestyle. Likely, it would be the way you display it - i.e. public displays of affection, smoking bowls in public, et cetera. :P
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: KBCraig on April 15, 2010, 03:11:32 pm
Once you legalize gay marriage...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_on_el_pr/us_huckabee_gay_marriage

 ;D
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: BigJoe on April 15, 2010, 03:40:27 pm
Once you legalize gay marriage...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_on_el_pr/us_huckabee_gay_marriage

 ;D

""That would be like saying, well there's there are a lot of people who like to use drugs so let's go ahead and accommodate those who want to use drugs. There are some people who believe in incest, so we should accommodate them. There are people who believe in polygamy, should we accommodate them?""

uh.  yes, yes (as long as its voluntary), and yes    ;D


Reductio ad absurdum fail
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Uncle Walt on April 16, 2010, 09:27:52 am
regarding polygamy ... Hey, if you can handle more than one wife - more power to ya! 
One wife with a "mood change" is bad enough.

 ;D
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: dalebert on April 16, 2010, 01:33:11 pm
regarding polygamy ... Hey, if you can handle more than one wife - more power to ya! 
One wife with a "mood change" is bad enough.

I full-on support anyone who wants to do it and has consenting wives, but I'm watching Big Love and it's making it seem less appealing each episode.  Never was my thing.  I don't have the attention span for more than one other person at a time.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: sj on April 18, 2010, 11:18:41 am
I don't hang out with anyone who does half of the stuff you posted, but I'm sure you could find a circle in NH somewhere.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: creaganlios on April 18, 2010, 01:26:03 pm
I have always found the argument that same-sex marriage will lead to polygamy (and should therefore not be permitted) to be fascinating.

In fact, I am tempted to agree with the Social Conservatives that any marital structure that is the first step on a slippery slope towards polygamy should be prohibited.

And we know that the only large-scale, objective, actual experience in this country with polygamy, was among Mormons in a one-man, multiple-women heterosexual arrangement.

Therefore, since heterosexual marriage has (as history has proven) lead to polygamous hetersexual marriage, it would seem to me that heterosexual marriage should be the structure that is prohibited.......right? ? ?    :o ;D
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: Uncle Walt on April 25, 2010, 11:34:59 am
Which came first ... polygamy or harems/concubines?   ;D
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: KDus on April 25, 2010, 07:04:47 pm
God seems to change his mind about how many partners one can have. Maybe it has more to do with who's writing the history books on God's behalf?
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: preparehandbook on October 20, 2010, 10:46:46 pm

In my opinion, the real liberty position on gay marriage is get the government out of ALL marriage.
[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly. I cannot fathom why it is a good idea for the gov to be involved in any marriage, in any way. What possible good can it serve?

great thread.
Title: Re: Paganism, Bisexuality, Pot-Smoking, Fornicating?
Post by: time4liberty on October 21, 2010, 08:57:14 pm
Get government out of marriage! Call your relationship and anyone else's relationship whatever you want to! :)

Personally, I'm more interested in ending government marriage for heterosexuals than adding it for homosexuals, but I can understand the motivation of those working for the latter.

Title: Re: HECK YEAH!
Post by: time4liberty on October 21, 2010, 09:11:33 pm
Sold.

And still surprised, I suppose.

The more I check you guys out; currency, minimalistic government, freedoms, etc., the more impressed I grow.


My reaction was quite similar :)