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Title: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: xAlpha on November 25, 2009, 10:44:27 am
When my wife and I first moved here to NH from CA, we stayed at a house with a couple of other Californians (who we didn't know before hand, it was just coincidence). Unlike us, however, they were prety much Californian in every way, especially politically. They basically canceled any vote my wife and I made.

The woman of the house actual said she voted for all the women on the ballot "because it's their turn." Yeah.

But the other day I got great news! They're moving back to CA! That means two more votes for liberty, by way of two less for statism.

When asked why (politely) they said California's laws are more progressive (despite it being NH that has legalized gay marriage, not CA), and they were going to legalize pot (they're not, and I bet it would happen faster up here than out there). They also cited that they "didn't like the food". Well, if that's what's important, I guess....

I do feel kind of sorry for their children (1 daughter and a son on the way), because CA has some really poor education, and statists will obviously send their children there. On the other hand, I'm excited that my votes will count again!
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: John Edward Mercier on November 25, 2009, 07:27:31 pm
Odd, since much of the food in NH is imported.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Keyser Soce on November 25, 2009, 08:45:50 pm
Yeah!
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: rossby on November 25, 2009, 09:01:11 pm
Unlike us, however, they were prety much Californian in every way, especially politically.

They liked mango and cilantro on EVERYTHING? >:D

They basically canceled any vote my wife and I made.

Awww. Weren't they there before you? That means you canceled their votes!

But the other day I got great news! They're moving back to CA! That means two more votes for liberty, by way of two less for statism.

And now you're a +2 ! Huzzah! ;D


...


They also cited that they "didn't like the food". Well, if that's what's important, I guess...

They didn't have a kitchen?
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: maxxoccupancy on November 26, 2009, 02:18:53 am
Awesome.  Now, if we could just get some more of the disenchanted locals to get involved in political activism, we'd have it.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: swamp_yankee on November 26, 2009, 02:31:06 pm
Cheers.

Socialists in a liberty movement. Good news and a good laugh on this holiday.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: frankwtodd on November 27, 2009, 09:56:31 am
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They didn't have a kitchen?

Perhaps they needed the Nanny State to tell them what to eat?!?!
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: xAlpha on November 29, 2009, 01:20:30 am
Cheers.

Socialists in a liberty movement. Good news and a good laugh on this holiday.

They weren't freestaters. She was born here and then moved out there when she was young. She came back for... who knows?

I will also say that California has a whole lot more variety for food, and I miss a ton of the fast food places (In'N'Out > *). But that's a pretty stupid reason to live somewhere.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: PraeterIdiot on December 15, 2009, 10:15:13 am
Unlike us, however, they were prety much Californian in every way, especially politically.

They liked mango and cilantro on EVERYTHING? >:D

wrong.  I worked years of fast food/sammidge fast food in SoCal, and have been noticing the differences in food preferences here (same fast sammidge job currently).

Californians put mayonnaise on everything. 

on EVERYTHING.  Cilantro just barely exists.  And mangos are just gross...but God help your store if you're out of mayonnaise out there. 
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: slothman on December 15, 2009, 02:12:53 pm
When asked why (politely) they said California's laws are more progressive (despite it being NH that has legalized gay marriage, not CA), and they were going to legalize pot (they're not, and I bet it would happen faster up here than out there).
How do you know they weren't going to legalize pot?
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Dreepa on December 15, 2009, 03:41:19 pm
When asked why (politely) they said California's laws are more progressive (despite it being NH that has legalized gay marriage, not CA), and they were going to legalize pot (they're not, and I bet it would happen faster up here than out there).
How do you know they weren't going to legalize pot?

well it hasn't happened yet.
and I doubt it will happen in CA anytime soon.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: freedomroad on December 15, 2009, 04:57:19 pm
When asked why (politely) they said California's laws are more progressive (despite it being NH that has legalized gay marriage, not CA), and they were going to legalize pot (they're not, and I bet it would happen faster up here than out there).
How do you know they weren't going to legalize pot?

well it hasn't happened yet.
and I doubt it will happen in CA anytime soon.

The petition may have enough signatures already.  They are trying to legalize 1 oz of less for those over 21.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Dreepa on December 15, 2009, 08:25:13 pm
When asked why (politely) they said California's laws are more progressive (despite it being NH that has legalized gay marriage, not CA), and they were going to legalize pot (they're not, and I bet it would happen faster up here than out there).
How do you know they weren't going to legalize pot?

well it hasn't happened yet.
and I doubt it will happen in CA anytime soon.

The petition may have enough signatures already.  They are trying to legalize 1 oz of less for those over 21.

they can get all the petitions they want.
They can vote it in ...but that doesn't mean it will happen.

The CA supreme court throws out all sorts of petitions.

Even if it passes.....CA is a lost cause for 100 other reasons.

Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Moebius Tripp on December 16, 2009, 01:50:49 am

Even if it passes.....CA is a lost cost for 100 other reasons.


#1 probably being the "crackdown" on ammunition signed by the Terminator-in-Chief set to go into effect Feb. 2011.

I hope to be with you all in NH by Jan. 2011, myself.

Republicans support the 2nd amendment, my patootie!!  [sarcasm]Thanks, Ronnie, thanks Arnie.[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Brien on December 16, 2009, 10:21:13 am
When my wife and I first moved here to NH from CA, we stayed at a house with a couple of other Californians (who we didn't know before hand, it was just coincidence). Unlike us, however, they were pretty much Californian in every way, especially politically. They basically canceled any vote my wife and I made.

The woman of the house actual said she voted for all the women on the ballot "because it's their turn." Yeah.

But the other day I got great news! They're moving back to CA! That means two more votes for liberty, by way of two less for statism.

When asked why (politely) they said California's laws are more progressive (despite it being NH that has legalized gay marriage, not CA), and they were going to legalize pot (they're not, and I bet it would happen faster up here than out there). They also cited that they "didn't like the food". Well, if that's what's important, I guess....

I do feel kind of sorry for their children (1 daughter and a son on the way), because CA has some really poor education, and statists will obviously send their children there. On the other hand, I'm excited that my votes will count again!

I find this interesting since the people who eschewed NH for Ca based their decisions on personal preferences rather than politics based in the logic of the US Constitution and how it applies to the lives of all citizens.  Apparently they don't care if their state of Ca is bankrupt and pays its workers and contractors in IOU's.  They obviously like to be subjected to the ever pervasive penetration of the state into the personal lives of its citizens when it steals an extra 10% of every workers paycheck without so much as even a vote from the citizens they are stealing from there.  This was a confiscation of private income without nary a vote from anyone to approve or not approve this theft.  Ca called it a "loan" but I would like to see anyone walk into a bank, demand even $10 and walkout saying they will pay it back at some unnamed and uncertain time.. You would be arrested immediately.  This couple must prefer to be controlled by the state rather than making individual decisions based in liberty that doesn't depend upon the state for the consequences of their actions.  Sounds to me like they belong in Ca.

As for the marijuana issue in Ca, that is a entirely different issue.  In northern Ca, the largest cash crop is now the cultivation and sale of marijuana, as it is in some other sates as well.  See this link:

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/cashcrops.html

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Based on a comparison with average production values of other crops from 2003 to 2005 marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. [23] Marijuana is the largest cash crop in Alaska, Alabama, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and West Virginia. (See Table 8 below.)

Domestic marijuana production often takes place in marginal areas not usually associated with agricultural production. In addition to indoor cultivation in trailers, closets, basements, and attics marijuana is grown outdoors along fence lines, in forests, on other public lands, in undeveloped rural countryside areas, and on other parts of private land generally inaccessible and unseen by the public

It seems as though it's only a matter of time before the Feds cry uncle and sick the taxman on the legal production of marijuana.  It's getting too big of a cash crop to ignore and I have never seen anything that generated this kind of revenue that the slimy thieving politicians couldn't keep their sticky hands off of in the history of the US.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Alex Libman on December 29, 2009, 12:18:43 am
This thread is definitely good news.  In fact, one might get a better return on one's activism investment by finding ways to get more socialists to move out in droves rather than trying to herd the libertarians into the state.    Any ideas?   >:D


Odd, since much of the food in NH is imported.

Hopefully not for long! (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=29041)  [2] (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31494)
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: PraeterIdiot on January 19, 2010, 11:40:11 am
I find this interesting since the people who eschewed NH for Ca based their decisions on personal preferences rather than politics based in the logic of the US Constitution and how it applies to the lives of all citizens.  Apparently they don't care if their state of Ca is bankrupt and pays its workers and contractors in IOU's.  They obviously like to be subjected to the ever pervasive penetration of the state into the personal lives of its citizens when it steals an extra 10% of every workers paycheck without so much as even a vote from the citizens they are stealing from there.  This was a confiscation of private income without nary a vote from anyone to approve or not approve this theft.  Ca called it a "loan" but I would like to see anyone walk into a bank, demand even $10 and walkout saying they will pay it back at some unnamed and uncertain time.. You would be arrested immediately.  This couple must prefer to be controlled by the state rather than making individual decisions based in liberty that doesn't depend upon the state for the consequences of their actions.  Sounds to me like they belong in Ca.

I'd rather have people happy in California than miserable in New Hampshire, whether they believe the wrong thing or not.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: elkingrey on January 25, 2010, 06:08:29 am
California would probably be the best state in the union were it not for the people. I'm going to miss the weather and the food. But I won't miss the people.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Alex Libman on January 25, 2010, 06:38:19 am
I'm a big fan of urban secession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_secession).

Split California into four parts -- Greater SF Bay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay_Area), Greater LA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Metropolitan_Area)+SD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Metropolitan_Area), North Cal, and South Cal -- and everyone would be better off.  The two urban offshoots should contain the most densely populated areas and surrounding suburbs (see map here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_megapolitan_areas)), and splitting the remainder North / South simply makes geometric sense after that.  That way the two urban areas can go Über-Socialist and fail, while the rest of the landmass can practice greater fiscal sanity and succeed.

The same should be done to all major mentropolitan areas, but especially Greater NYC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area) (including North Jersey, etc) and Greater Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area).  The democrats will never win another national election, and the Republicans will finally be able to split between Libertarians and Theocrats, creating three national parties of roughly equal size.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: anon37268573 on January 25, 2010, 10:31:07 pm
I'd love to see NorCal and SoCal.  SFBA and north of it to the OR border is one of my favorite places on Earth.  The NorCal/SoCal idea has been around for generations.  I remember it from science fiction when I was a little kid.  I think SFBA could quickly become pretty awesome if the NorCal/SoCal split happened.

P.S. I'm typing this on a laptop w/ a Verizon EVDO card while sitting in my new apartment in Salem, NH.  I moved this weekend.  But, I think I'm going to wait until I can get a cool mover number to update my address...  Maybe something like 808, 911, 1337, 1911, or 10,000 =)
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: Alex Libman on January 25, 2010, 10:35:52 pm
Just splitting CA north/south wouldn't change anything politically, the idea is to keep urban cesspools from dragging the whole state down into socialism with them, while at the same time letting them focus on the things that are important to them: urban rail, local pollution regulations, etc, etc, etc.  Competitive city-states like Singapore aren't so bad.

Big kudos on your move!  Just hit the counter ASAP - you tell me any number, and I'll list the reasons why it's cool...  in any base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix) necessary!  ;)
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: xAlpha on January 28, 2010, 08:42:15 am
Nationally, though, it could also change the makeup of the Senate.
Title: Re: Two Socialists are Moving Out
Post by: m_freeman on February 05, 2010, 02:57:22 am
I am in San Diego right now an just had coffee with a defense attorney that does medical marijuana defense, she said there is a County Attorney task force state wide comprising of County prosecutors. They have all basically agreed no prosecutions for MM if not abused this means possession and grow as required per medical case.
I pay little attention to MSM and the legislature out here but I recall hearing something about legalizing pot. Keep in mind this is the State that Legislature is floating ideas like ending free parking in the entire State and a single payer Cuban style medical system.