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Title: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: anon37268573 on September 24, 2009, 04:57:48 pm
The union leader website is running a story about marijuana use in Keene and a decriminalization resolution before the Keene City Council:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Marijuana+in+Keene%3a+On+town+square%2c+at+city+hall&articleId=7d45f5fc-6bb8-4c35-b32a-44f9d493416e
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: TEBON on September 24, 2009, 05:53:40 pm
they had a victory today of 100 people I hear.  Non-Free Keeniacs stepping up for what they believe.   This is activism anyone should be able to get behind.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: anon37268573 on September 25, 2009, 05:13:11 pm
they had a victory today of 100 people I hear.  Non-Free Keeniacs stepping up for what they believe.   This is activism anyone should be able to get behind.

UnionLeader says 75 and some cops:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Pot+protest+fills+Keene+square+again&articleId=75234ecb-7312-47b3-a530-71e8640e3635

No arrests.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on September 25, 2009, 08:20:38 pm
On the 5:00 news on WGIR AM radio in Manchester, they read a short about the 420 rallies.  Mentioned that the cops did nothing (a good thing) and that the city council is looking into legalizing small amounts.  No mention of freestaters, but they did say that about 70 people showed up.

Good job, guys.  Getting noticed and "promoted" in the state's largest city in a non-negative light is excellent educational outreach.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: MK on September 25, 2009, 10:00:10 pm
On the 5:00 news on WGIR AM radio in Manchester, they read a short about the 420 rallies.  Mentioned that the cops did nothing (a good thing) and that the city council is looking into legalizing small amounts.  No mention of freestaters, but they did say that about 70 people showed up.

Good job, guys.  Getting noticed and "promoted" in the state's largest city in a non-negative light is excellent educational outreach.

No mention of FSPers is a good thing as it shows it's coming from the people, not a "special interest" group.

PS: But I must confess I do find the FSPers especially interesting.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: John Edward Mercier on September 26, 2009, 01:33:37 am
On the 5:00 news on WGIR AM radio in Manchester, they read a short about the 420 rallies.  Mentioned that the cops did nothing (a good thing) and that the city council is looking into legalizing small amounts.  No mention of freestaters, but they did say that about 70 people showed up.

Good job, guys.  Getting noticed and "promoted" in the state's largest city in a non-negative light is excellent educational outreach.

Must have been a mistake in information. The city council is looking to adopt a resolution of support for decriminalization of small quantities to be sent to the NH Legislature.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: jeancoutu on September 26, 2009, 12:49:41 pm
If a citation is issued to a participant of a peaceable gathering of redress demonstration on public property the municipality that issued it could be liable in federal court for violation of the participants 1st amendment right to gather and potentially that municipality could be liable to fines. However, usually it doesn't become a violation until the arrest is made and the court actually order's a penalty or fine. The citation & reciept of payment or penalty is usually needed to file in Federal Court. With past 1st amendment federal protection rulings there are limits that the participant may no longer be protected such as interfering with traffic or spectators, being disruptive, disorderly conduct,aggression, provocation or unreasonable amount of time or frequency's of the demonstrations.
Jean Coutu, caacp01@aol.com
CAACP & LFOD Rally
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: jeancoutu on September 27, 2009, 12:45:21 am
When I spoke to the officer at the K.P.D. gathering after the common gathering, he claimed Rich Paul blew smoke in the officers face resulting in Rich's arrest. It quite clear in the video posted at: http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1633.msg17643;topicseen#msg17643 that Rich was peaceful, didn't flinch or exhaled until the officer walked by. When the officer came up behind Rich some smoke went in his direction.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Pat K on September 27, 2009, 01:00:47 am
Lying cops, wow who would have thought.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: jeancoutu on September 29, 2009, 07:58:52 am
The press as with supportive spectators are starting to zero in on bad behavior distorting the message. The smoke in at the K.P.D. lobby was epic civil disobedience,but, someone's suggestion to reel in the rowdy's maybe a wise one.
 I told the reporter  that for year's now many groups have spent hundreds of hours with the legislative process to no avail, this year the medicinal bill had 70% NH citizens support as with majority of legislator's and Lynch still vetoe's it and that though I neither condone nor condemn the smoke in's that maybe this is what its going to take.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Sam A. Robrin on September 29, 2009, 01:34:39 pm
The press as with supportive spectators are starting to zero in on bad behavior distorting the message. The smoke in at the K.P.D. lobby was epic civil disobedience,but, someone's suggestion to reel in the rowdy's maybe a wise one.
 I told the reporter  that for year's now many groups have spent hundreds of hours with the legislative process to no avail, this year the medicinal bill had 70% NH citizens support as with majority of legislator's and Lynch still vetoe's it and that though I neither condone nor condemn the smoke in's that maybe this is what its going to take.

And if the rowdy behavior is quelled, it will be said that no one is listening to the message because of the passive way it's being presented.  There's no point in paying attention to non-constructive criticism--the people dealing it out are grasping at whatever flimsy excuse they can find to keep from having to think about the way they live their unexamined little lives.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: freedomroad on September 29, 2009, 06:08:54 pm
The Boston CBS station covered it yesterday.  While the station got a few facts wrong, it was a good report.  Thanks for DIGGING :)

http://digg.com/politics/Pot_smokers_hold_daily_reefer_rallies_in_Keene_NH
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Brettp76 on September 29, 2009, 06:47:14 pm
they had a victory today of 100 people I hear.  Non-Free Keeniacs stepping up for what they believe.   This is activism anyone should be able to get behind.

Not everyone.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: JasonPSorens on September 29, 2009, 10:08:04 pm
And if the rowdy behavior is quelled, it will be said that no one is listening to the message because of the passive way it's being presented.  There's no point in paying attention to non-constructive criticism--the people dealing it out are grasping at whatever flimsy excuse they can find to keep from having to think about the way they live their unexamined little lives.

Wow. You really have a problem taking constructive criticism, don't you? You're just confirming the judgment of immaturity that others are putting on you.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Pat K on September 30, 2009, 12:02:16 am
And if the rowdy behavior is quelled, it will be said that no one is listening to the message because of the passive way it's being presented.  There's no point in paying attention to non-constructive criticism--the people dealing it out are grasping at whatever flimsy excuse they can find to keep from having to think about the way they live their unexamined little lives.

Wow. You really have a problem taking constructive criticism, don't you? You're just confirming the judgment of immaturity that others are putting on you.


Plus I heard that the pot smoke is killing birds!
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: freedomroad on September 30, 2009, 12:06:19 am
And if the rowdy behavior is quelled, it will be said that no one is listening to the message because of the passive way it's being presented.  There's no point in paying attention to non-constructive criticism--the people dealing it out are grasping at whatever flimsy excuse they can find to keep from having to think about the way they live their unexamined little lives.

Wow. You really have a problem taking constructive criticism, don't you? You're just confirming the judgment of immaturity that others are putting on you.


Plus I heard that the pot smoke is killing birds!

No.  Actually, most of the evidence suggests that it is good for you.  If you want to live longer, start smoking pot now.  If you don't care about yourself, don't smoke pot.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: TEBON on September 30, 2009, 02:42:52 am
of course I said "should be able to get behind". . . the key word is "should". . . that makes it just my opinion.

and again, of course, it's the politicos who can't stand that people actually do the freedom thing before Concord does.  Amazing that someone would deny someone else freedom simply because some asshole politicians haven't yet "granted" us the freedom to do so.

Sometimes I wonder if politics is actually more important than freedom to some people.

as for pot, of course it just makes you jump out of windows.  Didn't you see "tell your children"!!!?!
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: rossby on September 30, 2009, 01:18:45 pm
No.  Actually, most of the evidence suggests that it is good for you.  If you want to live longer, start smoking pot now.  If you don't care about yourself, don't smoke pot.

I'm pretty sure any time you inhale some (and do so repeatedly), you risk injuring yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Keyser Soce on October 05, 2009, 01:02:31 am
No.  Actually, most of the evidence suggests that it is good for you.  If you want to live longer, start smoking pot now.  If you don't care about yourself, don't smoke pot.

I'm pretty sure any time you inhale some (and do so repeatedly), you risk injuring yourself. ;)

I doubt it but even if that were true, it would compare favorably (health wise) to having a beer any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Moebius Tripp on October 05, 2009, 01:59:37 am
No.  Actually, most of the evidence suggests that it is good for you.  If you want to live longer, start smoking pot now.  If you don't care about yourself, don't smoke pot.

I'm pretty sure any time you inhale some (and do so repeatedly), you risk injuring yourself. ;)

Actually, if you smoke pot, you have a statistically smaller chance of contracting certain forms of cancer that are associated with tobacco inhalation, whether or not you smoke tobacco.  It also acts as an expectorant. 

Two studies were performed on longevity/marijuana, one in Costa Rica, the other in Jamaica.  Both found a statistically significant increase in life expectancy among those who partake. 

More recently the correlation between marijuana and some kinds of tumors was studied (on rats).  The tumors atrophied in the test subjects.

Morbidity & Mortality Monthly tasks itself with keeping a toxicity index for many substances.  They studied the toxicity of hemp, and found it to be around 80,000.  The lower the number, the higher the toxicity.  Since asparagus, spinach, and broccoli have much lower toxicity indices, they arbitrarily set hemp's index to 40,000, because "nothing is that harmless".

(I know you're gonna ask for cites, B.D., and I'll dig 'em up for ya.)

On the down side, there are some folks who have allergic (rarely, anaphylactic) response to hemp/marijuana and should not be exposed to it.  Some folks don't like the effects.  Some folks don't like smoke.  And new or novice users can experience a decrease in motor skills/coordination by up to 3%.  If you ain't used to it, don't operate heavy machinery for at least twenty minutes after ingestion.  It also increases blood pressure, so is contraindicated for those so diagnosed.

If ya's a seasoned user, the only statistically significant effect on driving is to lower your speed and aggression.

To date:  Number of deaths attributed to marijuana overdose -- *ZERO*

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.   ;D
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: TEBON on October 05, 2009, 02:43:27 pm
of course, you could eat it in a cookie, but some people might say those are bad for you as well.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Porcupine The Godful Heathen on October 05, 2009, 03:26:06 pm
I'd love to have a tasty low-carb pot cookie/brownie.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: jeancoutu on October 05, 2009, 04:02:37 pm
Anybody happen to read this piece of shit article in yesterdays Concord Monitor?
"Keene,watch out" "FSP driven from northern NH".....
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009910040343
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: freedomroad on October 05, 2009, 04:39:31 pm
Anybody happen to read this piece of shit article in yesterdays Concord Monitor?
"Keene,watch out" "FSP driven from northern NH".....
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009910040343

It just looks like a LTE to me.  If that's true, it's not a big deal to me.  However, since you put together the LFOD event, you could always send in a LTE correcting that part.  Your event certainly isn't something put on by the FSP.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: jeancoutu on October 05, 2009, 05:03:59 pm
I think your right. It is just a LTE. Ahh, ain't worth responding to. Plenty of comments. I could care less about anything the press has to say about LFOD Rally, they've been beating me & the LFOD rally up for years. I will admit they were a little better this year. Part of the territory. LFOD is hosted by all equally & I'm proud FSP & FK are a part of that.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: lloydbob1 on October 05, 2009, 07:59:04 pm
And if the rowdy behavior is quelled, it will be said that no one is listening to the message because of the passive way it's being presented.  There's no point in paying attention to non-constructive criticism--the people dealing it out are grasping at whatever flimsy excuse they can find to keep from having to think about the way they live their unexamined little lives.

Wow. You really have a problem taking constructive criticism, don't you? You're just confirming the judgment of immaturity that others are putting on you.


Plus I heard that the pot smoke is killing birds!

No.  Actually, most of the evidence suggests that it is good for you.  If you want to live longer, start smoking pot now.  If you don't care about yourself, don't smoke pot.
Probably one of the 'better' vegetable matter you can burn and suck into your lungs.
Title: Re: Marijuana in Keene: On town square, at city hall (Union Leader Website)
Post by: Stuck_in_MD on October 05, 2009, 08:11:29 pm
they had a victory today of 100 people I hear.  Non-Free Keeniacs stepping up for what they believe.   This is activism anyone should be able to get behind.

Not everyone.

Why? I hope it has something to do with the style of activism rather than just because you don't smoke weed.