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Title: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: NoLibertyInCA on August 08, 2009, 10:12:15 pm
Hello all,

My wife and I are considering a move to NH from here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia. We both tele-commute so we can live anywhere. As one of the selection criteria, we were hoping to move to a NH location where I might have a shot at getting elected to the state house after meeting the residency requirements, getting active in the community, campaigning for others, etc. Hopefully you all can help me with some data or information in that area.

To give you an idea of my political views, I downloaded NHLA's 2009 Liberty Ratings document and "tested" myself against the NHLA-scored house votes (based only on their description of the bills, I didn't read the bills themselves). When I was done... I scored 100%. So hopefully I'd be a worthy ex-Kalifornian for such a freedom loving state. :-)

My understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that to have a legitimate shot at the state house, you need to hold your nose and run as either a Republican or a Democrat. When I hold my nose out here, I usually vote Republican. I'd have a real hard time passing myself off as a Democrat, they'd see through me in an instant as soon as the word "tax" came up. So, I was hoping to determine the Rep/Dem/Ind breakdown for the various towns or districts, so as to avoid moving to a we're-Democrats-forever statist type of place where I wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hades of winning.  ;)

The only data I've been able to dig up are the colored maps here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_General_Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_General_Court)

along with some anecdotal data from citytowninfo.com ('town x gave y dollars more to the dems than the repubs in 2004').

Hopefully you all can point me to the data I seek, or at least warn me of towns/districts/areas that are heavily statist/Democratic.

Here are some of our other selection criteria in case it helps you in making recommendations:

1) Must live in a rural area on a lot with 20+ acres or land (40+ even better). We're hoping to have our own private rifle range on the property so we can stay proficient without having to get in the car and drive somewhere.  :)

2) We currently live fairly high up in the Sierras and get 2-4 feet of snow overnight during a typical storm. My wife and I are both tired of wrenching our backs from snow blowing and shoveling, so a little less snow would be nice.

3) Must be within 30 minutes of a supermarket.

4) Should be within 1 hour of a hospital.

5) Would be nice to be within a 1.25 hour drive of Concord in case I actually manage to get elected in the future (big IF, but a guy can dream, right?).  :)

Any help, data and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. - In case you're curious about my favorite issue, see "rifle range" in #1 above. If CA's constitution were like NH's constitution in that regard, I probably wouldn't be here.  ;)

Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: maxxoccupancy on August 08, 2009, 10:35:02 pm
The lakes region, southern New Hampshire, and southern seacoast are pretty good.  For land, you might find yourself coming inland a ways, because that ocean effect area is pretty spendy (except for utilities).  Northern New Hampshire is pretty good for everything but the snow.  A good area might be Weare, Goffstown, or one of the towns near Nashua.  A town like Bow is right next to Concord, offers quite a bit of land, and offers a good range of jobs.

I live in Seabrook, which is pretty good on all of those counts, and it's an important swing voting district.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: djbridgeland on August 08, 2009, 11:28:12 pm
You can probably find what your looking for in any town under 10,000 residents.  Your best bet would probably be either South or just West of Manchester/ Nashua area (Londonderry, Bedford, Merrimack, Goffstown, ect) , Southern Seacoast (Seabrook), or the lakes region/ Southern White Mountains(Laconia, Gilford, Lincoln) . 

Areas to avoid Keene/Monadnock  area, Concord / west of, Hanover/Lebanon, Portsmouth/Northern Seacoast, and Coos County.   
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: freedomroad on August 08, 2009, 11:57:48 pm
I recommend a large town or city where your party is the popular one in the area.  Make sure you are able to make a living there, also.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Dreepa on August 09, 2009, 12:24:01 am
My vote would be along the Rte 89 corridor.
Should be able to get land, closer to Concord, near supermarket and possible election areas.

Other regions would be:
Rte 4 corridor between Concord and Portsmouth and then North from there around the Lake Region.

Welcome.

Lots of 2nd A types here
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 09, 2009, 08:50:58 am
Step #1: choose your target
* Take a look at the NHLA Liberty Ratings http://www.nhliberty.org/2009_liberty_rating
* Find a community with several highly-rated Reps (B+ or above) and at least 1 poorly-rated Rep (D or below)
That is a great target community. That is a community where people will elect rigorous small-government constitutionalists, but some sweet-talking Statists have somehow got in.

Step #2: aim
* Join the community. Volunteer in the community. At the food bank, the old folks' home, the animal shelter, whatever floats your boat. But make it a real community-volunteering position, and be a good and diligent worker.
* Find an open spot on a city or town committee. In NH, many positions are elected volunteer positions, that in other stataes would be appointed & paid. Many have vacancies.
* Go to city council/board of selectmens' meetings. Take notes.
In all of the above, keep your trap shut and your political opinions to yourself. At least for the first 2-3 meetings. If asked your opinion, share it, no weasel words, no spin. But don't come in blabbing like you know the Right Way and everyone else is Wrong. Just don't. Zip the lip, open the ears, remember that these people have a life here you hope to be a part of.

Step #3: fire
After a few months of the above, if you're not a jerk to people, and you've been contributing positively to the community, people will like & respect you.
* About 2-3 months before the primary for the election, file to run
* Campaign HARD. It's your part-time job, evenings & weekends
* Contact the NHLA. We have tools, tips, strategies and (hopefully soon) training to help you.

I was part of the cabal that ousted a 13-term State Rep from a seat she considered "hers". It was a lot of hard work, but now there is one less person in the State House that wants an income tax, and one more person (http://nhcaptv.com/episode/57) who is fighting against one. And he's a big supporter of "on the job means on the record", too!
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: NoLibertyInCA on August 09, 2009, 12:14:59 pm
WoW, thanks to everyone for all the great info! That helps a lot in terms of narrowing our search and planning future visits.

My wife will probably be disappointed that the Keene area would be a no-go. She fell in love with a property near there, thought the town sounded great in terms of livability, and was ready to hop a plane and go visit. To Denis's point, I had quickly scanned through the liberty ratings and noticed the universally low ratings for the Keene representatives. I assumed that was due to the will of the people there, no accident, so the area wouldn't be the best target. Thanks djbridgeland for confirming that.

Thanks Denis for the action plan. And congratulations on your cabal's success.  :)
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: sj on August 09, 2009, 03:59:17 pm
Denis G's post is right on.

It will not be hard at all to meet your five criteria.  You'll have quite a few areas to choose from.  The SeaCoast area and Southern NH seem to have the more Republican leaning districts. 

Do keep in mind though that NH is not like CA.  Getting elected to the State House is not about money.  It will cost you about $50-500 to run a campaign.  The important thing is knowing your neighbors and having their trust and confidence. 
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 09, 2009, 04:01:45 pm
congratulations on your cabal's success.
I was just one of the grunt footsoldiers, but I learned a lot about how it's done by watching a master at work.

And here's what we have to show for it. Bear in mind the Concord Monitor is the communist rag of New Hampshire, so the article is spun accordingly ;)

Concord Monitor - Hager loses after 13 terms in Legislature (http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080910/FRONTPAGE/809100307)
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Dreepa on August 09, 2009, 06:18:57 pm
It will cost you about $50-500 to run a campaign.  The important thing is knowing your neighbors and having their trust and confidence. 

Depends on the size of the  district but it might be:

$1000- $5000.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 09, 2009, 08:02:36 pm
Yeah, the biggest cost is direct mails. They are expensive but useful.

But no campaign can win unless:
a) you start off being well-known to most "civically active" people in the district, and
b) you knock on at least 1,000 doors, introduce yourself to many hundreds of people, and put signs up in dozens of (legal, proper) places
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: maxxoccupancy on August 09, 2009, 08:32:37 pm
WoW, thanks to everyone for all the great info! That helps a lot in terms of narrowing our search and planning future visits.

My wife will probably be disappointed that the Keene area would be a no-go. She fell in love with a property near there, thought the town sounded great in terms of livability, and was ready to hop a plane and go visit. To Denis's point, I had quickly scanned through the liberty ratings and noticed the universally low ratings for the Keene representatives. I assumed that was due to the will of the people there, no accident, so the area wouldn't be the best target. Thanks djbridgeland for confirming that.

Thanks Denis for the action plan. And congratulations on your cabal's success.  :)
Check out some of my earlier comments bashing Keene.  Some were over the top (i.e., everything closes by 8pm--there are a few chain stores open after that), but activists there have called it a great place for non-political types.

The best places are usually suburbs of large cities, since they tend to vote Republican, have lower taxes, and give you access to the city when you want it.  My suggestion would be something near (but not in) Portsmouth.  It's a gorgeous town with nice, tolerant people, and there are a few tax havens and Republican leaning districts nearby.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: NoLibertyInCA on August 09, 2009, 09:08:22 pm
Do keep in mind though that NH is not like CA.  Getting elected to the State House is not about money.  It will cost you about $50-500 to run a campaign.  The important thing is knowing your neighbors and having their trust and confidence. 

Excellent, NH is sounding better all the time! I grew up in a small town (pop 1000) so hopefully I’ll do OK in that area. I know we were always suspicious of outsiders, I imagine the same may be true out there, so I can understand why trust and confidence would be so important.

Maybe we’ll luck out and find a town with a volunteer fire department. I went away to college before I was old enough to join my town’s, and that would be fun. Then again, peeling potatoes in a food bank would be plenty of fun too, especially if someone there is interested in 'swapping lies' as we work.  :D

I was just one of the grunt footsoldiers, but I learned a lot about how it's done by watching a master at work.

And here's what we have to show for it. Bear in mind the Concord Monitor is the communist rag of New Hampshire, so the article is spun accordingly ;)

Concord Monitor - Hager loses after 13 terms in Legislature (http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080910/FRONTPAGE/809100307)

OMG, you guys managed to take out a well-connected veteran politician with a stunning resume! That could never, ever, ever... happen out here. When she found out that even the 19-year-old rookie beat her in the vote count, it must have really stuck in her craw.  ;D


Depends on the size of the  district but it might be:

$1000- $5000.

Sounds fine, my wife is a graphic artist and web site designer so I can probably save a few bucks on campaign material production. She got upset when the “town hall-ers are an organized mob” story came out last week, and whipped this up in just a few hours:

http://www.cafepress.com/themobstore (http://www.cafepress.com/themobstore)

She hasn’t sold anything (and doesn’t care if she does) as it was really just a fun way for her to blow off some anti-DNC steam.  ;D
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Dreepa on August 10, 2009, 06:39:06 am


Maybe we’ll luck out and find a town with a volunteer fire department. I went away to college before I was old enough to join my town’s, and that would be fun. Then again, peeling potatoes in a food bank would be plenty of fun too, especially if someone there is interested in 'swapping lies' as we work.  :D


yeah many many many towns have volunteer fire depts.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: lloydbob1 on August 10, 2009, 07:18:58 am
Grafton's Volunteer Fire Department's chief was Chair of the NH Libertarian Party for years.  Grafton has the highest percentage of Free Staters in NH.
Several of us have been elected or appointed to town positions. When the Republicans fielded one Freestater and two of their own they won in Grafton by a bunch, but, two bedroom towns of  socialist Dartmouth College, also in our district and more populous  won the day with their clowns.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: NoLibertyInCA on August 10, 2009, 06:26:09 pm
Grafton's Volunteer Fire Department's chief was Chair of the NH Libertarian Party for years.  Grafton has the highest percentage of Free Staters in NH.
Several of us have been elected or appointed to town positions. When the Republicans fielded one Freestater and two of their own they one in Grafton by a bunch, but, two bedroom towns of  socialist Dartmouth College, also in our district and more populous  won the day with their clowns.

Ahhhhh... thanks, that explains the NHLA rep ratings (3 Dems rated CT, D- and F). The good guys got overwhelmed by the sheer number of socialists. Sounds like the Korean war, shortly after the Chinese entered the conflict.  :(

So I guess that a general rule of thumb I could use would be 'avoid the college towns'?
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 10, 2009, 08:35:20 pm
So I guess that a general rule of thumb I could use would be 'avoid the college towns'?
Depends what kind of challenge you want. There is nothing immoral, illegal, or fattening about being a Democrat and opposed to the War on Drugs. I am.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: NoLibertyInCA on August 10, 2009, 09:34:18 pm
So I guess that a general rule of thumb I could use would be 'avoid the college towns'?
Depends what kind of challenge you want. There is nothing immoral, illegal, or fattening about being a Democrat and opposed to the War on Drugs. I am.

Cool, I'm against the War on Drugs too.

I was just thinking that your college towns might be like our college towns (ex: Berkeley) with a large portion of the voters in favor of big government, gun control, entitlements and all the high and rising taxes you need to support the entitlements, big government, etc.(?). Not such a good environment if you'd maybe like to get elected to some position in order to shrink government, reduce taxes, ease gun laws, etc. Along with ending the War on Drugs, of course.  :)
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: margomaps on August 10, 2009, 10:21:25 pm
I was just thinking that your college towns might be like our college towns (ex: Berkeley) with a large portion of the voters in favor of big government, gun control, entitlements and all the high and rising taxes you need to support the entitlements, big government, etc.(?).

Yes, that is pretty much the case.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: maxxoccupancy on August 13, 2009, 10:09:53 pm
College towns have proven to be great places to get the word out and inform future voters and leaders about public policy and the libertarian philosophy.  They are not necessarily good places to get folks elected.  One of the downsides to Seabrook is that there isn't a college within 20 minutes of there.  One of the upsides to Seabrook is that there isn't a college within 20 minutes of there.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Dreepa on August 14, 2009, 07:28:00 am
College towns have proven to be great places to get the word out and inform future voters and leaders about public policy and the libertarian philosophy.  They are not necessarily good places to get folks elected.  One of the downsides to Seabrook is that there isn't a college within 20 minutes of there.  One of the upsides to Seabrook is that there isn't a college within 20 minutes of there.
also too bad that Seabrook is NOT in Nevada.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: freedomroad on August 15, 2009, 02:22:04 pm
College towns have proven to be great places to get the word out and inform future voters and leaders about public policy and the libertarian philosophy.  They are not necessarily good places to get folks elected.  One of the downsides to Seabrook is that there isn't a college within 20 minutes of there.  One of the upsides to Seabrook is that there isn't a college within 20 minutes of there.
also too bad that Seabrook is NOT in Nevada.

Have you never been to Vegas?  Seabrook Ln is right there.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: TEBON on August 15, 2009, 02:50:12 pm
Grafton is a better bet than most other places.   Keene has great activism and lots of people who go above and beyond.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: maxxoccupancy on August 16, 2009, 04:47:25 pm
Getting back on topic, there are quite a few swing voting districts in New Hampshire.  Seabrook is one of them.  There are a few in Manchester, and several more just outside it.  Outside of Concord and Portsmouth are a couple of good swing voting districts, and those cities are usually pretty good for jobs.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: TEBON on August 17, 2009, 01:31:07 pm
at least one college in Newington which is only about 20 minutes from Seabrook.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: tfboyle on August 24, 2009, 08:33:16 am
North Hampton might be a good fit.  It is 10 min from Portsmouth, 5 min from the beach, has a shopping center, is heavily Republican (and will soon be a district with Stratham as of 2010 I believe, meaning only Republicans will be elected as Exeter will become its own district and is the only reason Democrats can get elected in the district) and is around 50 min from Concord.  The only problem might be the land, but I would bet there are a few 20+ acre homes.  Stratham also meets all of your criteria except possible the acreage, but its a great small town, and is where I have lived for 23 or my 25 years of life (though probably only for a year more as my gf wants to move down south for a couple years before moving back to NH to settle down). 
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: TEBON on August 25, 2009, 05:07:23 pm
I'd love to see freedom lovers on the boards and running Hampton, NH.  Maybe if I move there I'll run as a member of the Free State Party.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 25, 2009, 06:55:51 pm
I'd love to see freedom lovers on the boards and running Hampton, NH.  Maybe if I move there I'll run as a member of the Free State Party.
Local elections are non-partisan.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: TEBON on August 25, 2009, 07:30:43 pm
can't I still run as a member of the Free State Party much like some people run as a member of the NRA, NAMBLA, Hampton Bridge Club, etc.?

Didn't Hampton have those gold standards go out.  I remember my friends bitching about some libertarian sheets they got.  They're closer to liberty now than they were but it's not saying much.

I knew one selectman in Hampton that used to introduce herself as ___ ___, Democrat.  The label meant something to her.
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Denis Goddard on August 25, 2009, 09:18:00 pm
In local elections there will be no party affiliation printed on the ballot. You can still choose to strongly identify with a party if for some reason you believe it will improve your chances of getting elected in a non-partisan race (hint: it won't)
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on August 25, 2009, 10:17:13 pm
Make sure you get here before November 2010 so that you can run (and win) for state rep in 2012.  There's  a 2-year state residency requirement for being elected to the legislature. No such reqmt exists for local positions. 

What are you waiting for? 

I might be able to find you the property you're looking for.

Mark
PorcupineRealtor.com
Title: Re: Best Location for Election to State House?
Post by: maxxoccupancy on August 25, 2009, 11:04:51 pm
Point being that there are lots of towns that are swing voting or Republican.  Also keep in mind that some of the worst statists the Dems have got elected only because their opponent ran such a weak campaign--not because the voters aren't proliberty or anti-gov.  Be sure to really do your research before settling somewhere, and try to get elected to some local office before you run for State House.