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Title: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Brian Travis on June 09, 2009, 01:31:57 pm
I just talked to a person at Rogers about wifi. The good news is that their wifi covers the entire campground. Yay!

The bad news is that it costs 8 bucks a day. It sounds like the network is run by some other company so Rogers doesn't even deal with it.

So I was wondering if there has been any talk about getting a bulk discount from the vendor since I'm sure there will be a lot of people at Porcfest who will want to connect.

Is anyone interested in going in with me for negotiating a bulk rate?
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: tsavage2 on June 09, 2009, 03:42:47 pm
Hi,  I am unclear as to exactly what you mean.  Do you mean physically GO IN with you to negotiate?  I can't do that because I am coming from Va. but I am willing to participate in the group rate should they give you one. Thanks, Tim
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Recumbent ReCycler on June 09, 2009, 04:14:42 pm
A few years ago they had a daily rate and multi-day rates.  The multi-day rates were much more reasonable.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Brian Travis on June 09, 2009, 09:20:14 pm
Sorry. Perhaps I should have been more clear. If people are going up there to get away form it all, there would be no need to connect to the outside world. Unfortunately, I'm on-call on Friday and need to have access. No problem for me paying the eight bucks, but if I knew that 30 other people (for example) were interested in having wireless access, perhaps I could persuade the wifi provider to cut us a break to avoid losing some of us to free wifi somewhere else in town.

If you are interested in wifi at, say, five bucks a day instead of eight, let me know and perhaps I could use those numbers to negotiate a lower rate. I won't use your name or commit you in any way. I just need to know if there is enough interest for me to spend the time working with the provider for a cheaper rate.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on June 10, 2009, 01:50:07 pm
I'd be all for cheaper wifi if possible. I'm also on call (though, I'm permanently on call, 24/7) and would need access in an emergency.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Fishercat on June 10, 2009, 06:30:30 pm
I am also on call.

Of course that means I'm hoping I can get away with not buying any wi-fi for the entire time I'm there.   But if I'm forced to connect in, cheaper is better.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Liberty603 on June 10, 2009, 06:37:59 pm
Anyone happen to know how's the Verizon data coverage there? From the map it doesn't look good for EVDO... is the 1X decent though?
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: rabbit20 on June 10, 2009, 09:47:22 pm
Is this for porc fest?  if so to bad im not going to be coming... because I would be able to get around that little dilemma lol... its "easy" to hack wireless...depending on if the person uses simple encryption which most people do....anyway hope you can all figure out some sort of group rate or something...you could also find someone that has a cell phone that can tether their phone to a computer and act as a modem to everyone and connect their computer to a wireless router and then give off wireless to the everyone else...depending on the cell coverage the speed may suck but that is a way to go...   anyway have fun
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Brian Travis on June 11, 2009, 06:33:44 am
Is this for porc fest?  if so to bad im not going to be coming... because I would be able to get around that little dilemma lol... its "easy" to hack wireless...depending on if the person uses simple encryption which most people do....anyway hope you can all figure out some sort of group rate or something...you could also find someone that has a cell phone that can tether their phone to a computer and act as a modem to everyone and connect their computer to a wireless router and then give off wireless to the everyone else...depending on the cell coverage the speed may suck but that is a way to go...   anyway have fun

I don't want to hack the wireless at Rogers. That would be stealing. A private company put up the antennas and equipment for the company that runs Rogers, and they deserve to get paid for their equipment and labor.

I'm just suggesting that we ask the company for a break in the price, which might encourage more people to use the service, thereby generating more revenue for the service provider.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: dalebert on June 11, 2009, 09:00:26 am
I'll be working while I'm there so I'll need it.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: rabbit20 on June 11, 2009, 10:49:55 pm
ok well i was just saying if you must there is that option
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: swefred on June 14, 2009, 10:39:39 am
What you could do Is to set up a AD-HOC network.

computer 1 pays for access and then share its internet connection via windows built in internet sharing.

completely legal but might  not be 100 % moral.

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If I am able to come to porc fest I can solve this

total cost for me would be maybe around $1300
plane ticket Gothenburg  - NY (Newark) (round trip) is about $690. To this comes all other cost ticket to porc fest, lodging etc.
I will do some thinking about it an decide in a few days.



Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: rabbit20 on June 14, 2009, 03:27:07 pm
What you could do Is to set up a AD-HOC network.

computer 1 pays for access and then share its internet connection via windows built in internet sharing.

completely legal but might  not be 100 % moral.


Thats what I was suggesting above...if you didnt want to hack the wireless :)
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 22, 2009, 07:53:23 am
Wait, what?

I was just talking with some of the PorcFest organizers this weekend, and I remember someone (I can’t remember who, unfortunately) saying there was free open wireless.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 22, 2009, 08:13:41 am
Mention of wireless that doesn’t cover the whole campground, and no mention of fee:—

K.D.,
Yes, there's wi-fi at the campground near the office.  It won't reach to your campsite, but we do have wireless access in the store, the cafe, at the registration desk, in the "Bingo Hall" (where the exhibitors are).  So you will be able to work from there as needed.  Glad to hear you get paid while attending PorcFest.

I'd guess that AT&T won't be very strong there.  Verizon is the best in most of the state.

You'll be covered in the main campground office area, even sitting in the hot tub!  Do you have a water-proof cover for the laptop?

Are you sure this guy wasn’t talking about something else? Maybe they have limited wireless for free, and campground-wide wireless for a fee?
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on June 22, 2009, 08:48:38 am
Yeh, originally they told us there was free wi-fi with very limited coverage.  That was back in March.  Evidently since then they've contracted with a service provider and now it costs $9.99 a day or $19.99 for the week.  At least that's the info from Carla's announcement.

I don't know if the new and improved (and costlier) service extends to more places around the campground.  I tried calling Roger's right now but no one answered.  If I find out, I'll post it here.

Brian has a good idea to try to get a volume discount.  My "official" position on said ad hoc arrangement is to discourage it.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: swefred on June 22, 2009, 08:49:32 am
IF the wifi does not cover the entire campground it would be a bit sad. I pland to bombard my friends at home with updates.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 22, 2009, 09:09:45 am
Yeh, originally they told us there was free wi-fi with very limited coverage.  That was back in March.  Evidently since then they've contracted with a service provider and now it costs $9.99 a day or $19.99 for the week.  At least that's the info from Carla's announcement.

So in other words they’re breaking an (albeit oral) contract they had with the FSP.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 22, 2009, 09:55:22 am
Elaborating on the previous post, when Rogers was selected by the FSP for PorcFest, wireless was free (technically, complementary for paying to camp there, I suppose); this fact was given to the PorcFest organizers, who subsequently told many attendees about it. Now the wireless isn’t free. Sounds like they reneged on an agreement to me, no?

According to this (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:VOD&feed=PR&date=20090527&id=9940906), Verizon has expanded their 3G coverage to Lancaster. Anyone with this service, and a wireless router? We can set up our own wireless network for PorcFest attendees.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: artienewport on March 27, 2010, 09:30:38 pm
I will be offering free WIFI around the area of my tent.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Kate on March 27, 2010, 10:23:28 pm
Elaborating on the previous post, when Rogers was selected by the FSP for PorcFest, wireless was free (technically, complementary for paying to camp there, I suppose); this fact was given to the PorcFest organizers, who subsequently told many attendees about it. Now the wireless isn’t free. Sounds like they reneged on an agreement to me, no?

According to this (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:VOD&feed=PR&date=20090527&id=9940906), Verizon has expanded their 3G coverage to Lancaster. Anyone with this service, and a wireless router? We can set up our own wireless network for PorcFest attendees.

Jeremy nothing is settled in a contract until it is in writing. 
The first Porc Fest the wifi only worked at the picnic tables closest to main building.  All most all of the campsites had no reception what so ever.  $19.99 for the week isn't nearly as painful $9.99 a day.
My house pays more than that a week to have internet here in Manchester.   

Keep in mind you will also have to pay extra to use the laundromat, games in the arcade the cafe, and have extra people stay on your site.
Sites with water, electricity, canopies and double sized lots also cost more.  Why should wifi be any different.
Rogers is a campground in the middle of nowhere.   It is not a three star hotel catering to business travelers.  Compared to the price of 3G phone service from Verizon the wireless is not unreasonable.

I love the idea of Brian trying to negotiate a bulk rate for the event.   Thank you for working on it and add me to the pile for the group rate.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: dalebert on March 28, 2010, 07:42:19 am
Is anyone interested in going in with me for negotiating a bulk rate?

I'd contribute toward it.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: 10stateswithnh on March 28, 2010, 04:57:39 pm
My brother might be interested in a group rate, too, assuming it isn't too late to get a site with electric.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Jerry on March 30, 2010, 09:54:55 pm

According to this (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:VOD&feed=PR&date=20090527&id=9940906), Verizon has expanded their 3G coverage to Lancaster. Anyone with this service, and a wireless router? We can set up our own wireless network for PorcFest attendees.

Yes the Verizon 3G service worked fine at PF2009.

Yes, the campground's paid service area has expanded to include at least the first 3 streets of trailers, so should cover most all the camping areas.

No, you can't have access to my Verizon MiFi card to run your own network.  There's a 5Gig/month cap.  The porcs would eat that up in a day.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: ny2nh on May 06, 2010, 09:18:02 am
4.99/hour
9.99/day
19.99/week

You pay via credit card when you log on.
Seems pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Dreepa on May 06, 2010, 03:29:51 pm
Does anyone know if Sprint or AT&T get good signals up there?
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: MengerFan on May 06, 2010, 03:47:54 pm
Had Sprint last year. There was signal, but very weak. Took a half hour to download an FTL episode. Watching porn was just right out.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: dalebert on May 08, 2010, 02:07:46 pm
Watching porn was just right out.

I'm picturing you in that South Park episode when Stan's dad went without Internet porn for like a week.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: 10stateswithnh on May 16, 2010, 10:17:57 am
Does anyone know if Alltel has coverage there at Rogers? I already have an Alltel wireless device, so if I get a laptop, and the coverage is ok there, I will have internet there without chipping in to a wifi group rate.

I was told my Alltel device should work anywhere an Alltel phone gets reception.
Has anyone taken an Alltel phone to Rogers for past Porcfests there?

Cancel what I said earlier about my brother chipping in. It looks like he will be unable to get any kind of government ID in time so that he can get on the plane with me. No brother for Porcfest '10.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: kamil on May 17, 2010, 01:06:15 pm
Does anyone have any experience with T-Mobile coverage in that area? According to their coverage map, it's a "partner" coverage area. Did anyone use data while roaming there?
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Kate on May 25, 2010, 08:19:38 am
My sister had very weak and spotty coverage with T Moblie last year at Porc Fest. 
She sometimes could make calls from our site.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: kamil on May 25, 2010, 09:40:03 am
My sister had very weak and spotty coverage with T Moblie last year at Porc Fest. 
She sometimes could make calls from our site.

Thanks Kate, I guess I will be cut off from the world... Which isn't really a bad thing!
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: sandm000 on May 25, 2010, 10:36:38 am
Elaborating on the previous post, when Rogers was selected by the FSP for PorcFest, wireless was free (technically, complementary for paying to camp there, I suppose); this fact was given to the PorcFest organizers, who subsequently told many attendees about it. Now the wireless isn’t free. Sounds like they reneged on an agreement to me, no?

According to this (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:VOD&feed=PR&date=20090527&id=9940906), Verizon has expanded their 3G coverage to Lancaster. Anyone with this service, and a wireless router? We can set up our own wireless network for PorcFest attendees.

Jeremy nothing is settled in a contract until it is in writing. 

Wha? When did that happen? I can guarantee that verbal contracts exist and I don't see why a videotape of the agreement couldn't serve the same purpose as a written instrument. You require me to read your language in order to do business with me?
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: BiPolarBear on June 16, 2010, 10:03:28 am
Anyone know if the free wifi is accessible to those in the motel area?

If not, I would definitely be interested in the group rate option if that is still a possibility.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Sovereign Curtis on June 16, 2010, 07:31:48 pm
Anyone know if the free wifi...

There is no free wifi.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: shyfrog on June 17, 2010, 10:33:05 am
TANSTAAFW  >:D
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: ny2nh on June 17, 2010, 09:04:38 pm
I believe it is $4.99/hr, $9.99/day, or $19.99/week. Not so bad....
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: slayerboy on June 28, 2010, 12:33:57 pm
I just need to comment that the WiFi was the worst money I have ever spent.  I expected a slow connection but most of the time there wasn't even a connection that could be made either from my motel room or anywhere around the filed.  Verizon's wireless coverage was loopy as well, but that could have been all the other people who had verizon phones, as on Sunday the coverage was amazing.

But yeah, I was extremely disappointed with paying $15 for the week (I was there Thursday - Sunday) and being able to use it only a handful of times.  I could connect to IRC chat sometimes but I was lucky to load a website up at all.  This was my first Porcfest, so I have nothing to base this experience on, but I'd be interested in hearing how the service compares to last year. 
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Dreepa on June 28, 2010, 01:49:31 pm
My SPRINT coverage was week.
ATT was 'ok'.

(I didn't use/try wifi)
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: dalebert on June 28, 2010, 01:50:25 pm
It worked okay for me last year and this year.  My friend used it more than I but I was able to get what I needed done and even watch (with a bit of a wait) a YouTube video or two.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: rossby on June 28, 2010, 02:58:48 pm
ATT was 'ok'.

My phone flopped between 1 bar and 2 bars. Until I tried to call out or send an email--then it went to "No Service."

Seriously, I think I have to change carriers...
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: ny2nh on June 28, 2010, 04:22:22 pm
I just need to comment that the WiFi was the worst money I have ever spent.  I expected a slow connection but most of the time there wasn't even a connection that could be made either from my motel room or anywhere around the filed.  Verizon's wireless coverage was loopy as well, but that could have been all the other people who had verizon phones, as on Sunday the coverage was amazing.

But yeah, I was extremely disappointed with paying $15 for the week (I was there Thursday - Sunday) and being able to use it only a handful of times.  I could connect to IRC chat sometimes but I was lucky to load a website up at all.  This was my first Porcfest, so I have nothing to base this experience on, but I'd be interested in hearing how the service compares to last year. 

I bought the $14.95/wk service and used it all week. There were a couple of times I had a hard time connecting....but I just figured it was my laptop as it does the same thing at home sometimes.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Dreepa on June 28, 2010, 07:13:40 pm
ATT was 'ok'.

My phone flopped between 1 bar and 2 bars. Until I tried to call out or send an email--then it went to "No Service."

Seriously, I think I have to change carriers...
if you plan on living at Rogers....  :)

1and 2 bars is 'ok' to me.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: rossby on June 28, 2010, 07:36:06 pm
ATT was 'ok'.

My phone flopped between 1 bar and 2 bars. Until I tried to call out or send an email--then it went to "No Service."

Seriously, I think I have to change carriers...
if you plan on living at Rogers....  :)

1and 2 bars is 'ok' to me.

Like I said, it would show 1-2 bars. But when I would try to place a call, the service would be unavailable. ATT also seems to have spotty service in Hillsborough, Merrimack, and Rockingham counties.
Title: Re: Wifi at Rogers
Post by: Jerry on June 29, 2010, 08:38:39 am
I thought the wifi at Rogers worked just fine.  I don't normally do Youtube kinda stuff because of the 5G/Mo cap on my Verizon card, so when I arrived on Sunday I immediately started downloading the latest version of Ubuntu.  It took about the same amount of time as when I'm connected through a DSL line. I was also able to watch Youtube without any stoppage or jerkiness. 
The connection remained fast and stable until late thursday, when I noticed a slight decrease in speed.