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Title: Free State Music Venue
Post by: JT on May 14, 2003, 10:40:28 am
One thing the Free State will definitely need is a better music scene.  I've been doing some checking on WY and NH and neither state seems to be in very good shape when it comes to supporting live music.

Some enterprising porcupines could get together and build a music club or two  in the chosen state.  In NH, many bands choose to make the trek to Boston to play shows.  If we opened a club in southern NH, we could provide a place for local bands to play, make a little cash, and promote the FSP to the kids who come out to shows.  If WY if picked, Cheyenne, Casper or Laramie might be good places to start.

I've been in a band for the past 5+ years, and I'm always amazed at the number of guys I meet who are Libertarian in their way of thinking.  Granted, many of them choose not to vote, but we could help change that!  I've made some contacts in the music biz, and know a few things about running sound and a little about lighting.  Anyone interested in getting together and making this work?
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Radar on May 19, 2003, 11:16:09 pm
Good idea.  You should make sure you allow people to have raves!  

I've setup outreach booths at raves for years.  It's become virtually impossible for promoters anymore.  But in a free state it would be cool.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: BobW on May 20, 2003, 10:48:22 am
Hi Radar,

May I ask what are "raves"?

While I'm at it, do you know the meaning of:

lama
raven
minuteman
philosopher
the picture of baby
all the other symbols less those explained here (eg "hot topic")

Thanks in advance.

BobW  
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: JT on May 20, 2003, 11:53:12 am
Good idea.  You should make sure you allow people to have raves!  

I've setup outreach booths at raves for years.  It's become virtually impossible for promoters anymore.  But in a free state it would be cool.

I remember the feds were trying to pass a Bill that would essentially outlaw raves.  I don't know what happened to it.  I assume if it passed I would have heard about it.  But, yeah, raves would definitely be a good idea.  It would give kids something to do, and bolster the economy a little bit...

BobW:  A rave is a music event, typically being held in a giant warehouse, and has become notorious because of the bright flashing lights, loud music, and prevalence of the drug Extacy.  
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: BobW on May 20, 2003, 12:48:21 pm
Thanks, JT.

BobW
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: SN Porc on May 20, 2003, 12:54:36 pm
The Rave Act, as it was called, was amended to the Amber Alert bill and has been passed into law.

Another example of moral beliefs being legislated into law, using a trick that should be illegal. That of attaching legislation, which is uable to pass on it's on, to another bill that will undoubtedly pass. Who would even think to oppose the Amber Alert bill, yet how many people actually know it was amended with the Rave Act?
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Radar on May 22, 2003, 03:18:04 pm
I agree completely SN Porc.

Bob:  As far as I know those names refer to the number of posts you've made if you're talking about them as they refer to this board.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: mnmguy on May 24, 2003, 11:55:29 am
I can tell you that a good rave will attract people from all over the region, and bring tourists into the free state. Here in Toronto, a place which is relatively liberal regarding drugs, parties, and raves, over half the people at local raves are not local but have driven in from New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. A large rave venue in the free state would attract the world's top DJs and bring in massive tourist traffic every weekend.

As well, contrary to what some may think, the average 'raver' is well-educated with above-average income, at least where I live. And most of them are quite libertarian in their thinking.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Radar on May 24, 2003, 12:51:31 pm
Very true.  I've been in the scene for many years.  And if we had a few large annual events and let the promoters know the free state would not enforce any part of the rave act, we could bring in a lot of income, and free thinkers.  

Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Karl on May 24, 2003, 01:32:16 pm
Very true.  I've been in the scene for many years.  And if we had a few large annual events and let the promoters know the free state would not enforce any part of the rave act, we could bring in a lot of income, and free thinkers.  

Free staters should certainly oppose the RAVE Act and similar legislation, and certainly business owners ought to have the right to hold raves without fear of prosecution.

But why do you think the presence of raves in the free state would attract "free thinkers?"  It will not attract "free thinkers" as a class.  Rather, it will attract people who are primarily "drug users."  These drug users may or may not be "free thinkers."  They may or may not be pro-liberty.  But many are addicted to one or more drugs.  Many lead misguided, self-destructive lifestyles.  Sure, they ought to have every right to do those things, but spare us this nonsense that any significant number of them "free thinkers."  
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Radar on May 24, 2003, 11:37:20 pm
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But why do you think the presence of raves in the free state would attract "free thinkers?"

Because Libertarians don't tend to follow the "norm".  They think for themselves, and are typically better educated than most other Americans.

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Rather, it will attract people who are primarily "drug users."

The majority of ravers don't use drugs.  Most ravers prefer to go sober.  But yes some will use drugs.  And if they use drugs or don't mind being around those who do use drugs, they support your freedom to do what you want with your own body.  This is a key element of thinking and acting freely.

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They may or may not be pro-liberty.

More often than not, they're pro-liberty as I've already explained.

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But many are addicted to one or more drugs.

Addicted?  To what?  Ecstacy?  Marijuana?  Mushrooms?  Acid?  Not one of these are addictive and these are the main drugs used at raves.

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Many lead misguided, self-destructive lifestyles.

That's a matter of opinion.  Perhaps there are some who think you lead a misguided, or self-destructive lifestyle.    

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Sure, they ought to have every right to do those things, but spare us this nonsense that any significant number of them "free thinkers."  

Judging from your comments I'd be you've never been to a rave and probably know less than nothing about them.  If all you know about raves is what you've seen on Fox News, you know nothing about raves or ravers.  Most ravers aren't kids.  Most are in their 20s.  Most have college educations.  Drug addiction is no more prevailent among ravers than any other group of people including those who are only addicted to legal drugs.  The overwhelming majority of them want to live their lives freely without government intervention and want to allow others to do the same.  If that's not a free thinker, perhaps you can share with me what you define a free thinker/freedom lover as being.

Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: RidleyReport on May 30, 2003, 02:00:17 am
This is an interesting idea...

I'd be interested in hooking up with any good  techno/trance/drum n' bass type musicians out there.  I do voice and lyrics and just need good track to put 'em on top of.  


Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: radracer on May 30, 2003, 02:21:59 am
Hey Radar. Thanks for saying everything I wanted to regarding “Pro-liberty” KARL’s statements. My father also still thinks people are addicted to drugs all over the place just because they use them occasionally too. Of course he’s almost 70 and only believes in legal drugs. So he has his Manhattans or Martinis or beers every night. When I tell him how alcohol is much worse than many drugs he still doesn’t get it. Once Ecstasy, Marijuana, Mushrooms, Acid, etc are legalized and added to the list of legalized drugs like alcohol, nicotine and caffeine and their price drops to reasonable amounts the crime associated with their “black markets” will evaporate along with the dealers. I just can’t believe anyone could doubt that people who try currently illegal drugs are free thinkers. It’s a prerequisite for it! Try to try some new things occasionally KARL.
So, what kind of music are you guys thinking about for that club?
My family operates a Jazz club chain of sorts, utilizing live Jazz or R&B nightly with fine Mediterranean cuisine. I’m more of an alternative music scene guy myself but I enjoy anything but Polka and Rap. I’d be glad to help out too. I know lots of band members, (friends over the years).
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Aaron on May 31, 2003, 03:42:33 am
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I enjoy anything but Polka and Rap.

When I worked in a convenience store near University of Connecticut, I used to play the school's radio station.  I would get some funny looks and rude comments during the once a week polka show.  But that polka show had far and away more listenership than any other time slot.  Don't dis polka!  Beats the heck out of heavy metal, especially that glam-rock they used to play in the '80s.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: heyerstandards on May 31, 2003, 07:42:52 pm
Ya need da Polka Band, eh! Anybody know da Chicken Dance?
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: Karl on May 31, 2003, 08:16:26 pm
I just can’t believe anyone could doubt that people who try currently illegal drugs are free thinkers. It’s a prerequisite for it! Try to try some new things occasionally KARL.

Nowhere have I said that there were no "free thinkers" among "drug users."  Clearly there are, but it is absurd to say that all "drug users" are also "free thinkers" as you and Radar have asserted.  Some people are just addicted or just like the drugs, but are otherwise uninterested in other issues of liberty.  Pleanty of drug users advocate various left-wing poltical views.

I live in a city where crack addicts wander the streets, then rob people to get more.  Do you think they are "free thinkers?"  A knew a guy who had a bad trip on acid, was hospitalized, and nearly died.  Perhaps he was a "free thinker."

No thank you, but I'll exercise my LIBERTY and FREE THINKING to choose NOT to try any of that stuff.

Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: StrawberrySon on September 22, 2003, 10:08:35 am
I'm sorry if this is considered dead, but this is my first post and I've been looking around the site all morning. This is a great opportunity for employment. Has anyone considered a larger venue? Like an outdoor amplitheatre? You could create a great multitude of jobs (concessions, marketting, security, construction, technical engeneering), have a diverse music scene, and the profit on such an amplitheatre is huge. Just thought I would throw this idea out there...
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: michLinoregon on October 03, 2003, 10:39:36 pm
Bluegrass music is a must!! Alternative and Bluegrass. I would love to live in a state that valued those music styles.

But blasting rap from your car should be illegal! HAHA!  ;D
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: JT on October 07, 2003, 08:27:27 pm
I'm sorry if this is considered dead, but this is my first post and I've been looking around the site all morning. This is a great opportunity for employment. Has anyone considered a larger venue? Like an outdoor amplitheatre? You could create a great multitude of jobs (concessions, marketting, security, construction, technical engeneering), have a diverse music scene, and the profit on such an amplitheatre is huge. Just thought I would throw this idea out there...

A large amphitheatre would be nice, but I know next to nothing about running one.  The only experience I've had with large venues is setting up stages and running lights.  Unless the FSP has some people "in the know", I plan on starting up a relatively small club until I get comfortable with the way things are going.  Running a small club is relatively easy, but there is little profit compared to a bigger venue.  
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: ChrisL on May 23, 2004, 06:33:53 pm
Hi!  Seeing as this vein is posted under business /employment I wonder why it becomes a place for moral debates.
I'm an amatuer musition who writes her own folk songs & would love the opportunity to play & sing in a venue promoted by and for porcupines.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: sean on May 24, 2004, 04:59:06 am
I manage a band, I would love to get them to tour new hampshire with some other free staters music projects. If anyone has a group please talk to me about it.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: djentropy on May 25, 2004, 09:39:36 pm
One thing the Free State will definitely need is a better music scene.  I've been doing some checking on WY and NH and neither state seems to be in very good shape when it comes to supporting live music.

Some enterprising porcupines could get together and build a music club or two  in the chosen state.  In NH, many bands choose to make the trek to Boston to play shows.  If we opened a club in southern NH, we could provide a place for local bands to play, make a little cash, and promote the FSP to the kids who come out to shows.  If WY if picked, Cheyenne, Casper or Laramie might be good places to start.

I've been in a band for the past 5+ years, and I'm always amazed at the number of guys I meet who are Libertarian in their way of thinking.  Granted, many of them choose not to vote, but we could help change that!  I've made some contacts in the music biz, and know a few things about running sound and a little about lighting.  Anyone interested in getting together and making this work?


YES YES YES YES YES and YES.

I have about 10 years experience in rave/club and event production, planning, and promotion.  It is my dream to own my own club, and anything close to that would be great!  

I am the DJ at the Porc Fest next month, and I have been DJing for about 10 years as well, and playing bass and guitar since 5 years before that.  I live and breathe music, and have been involved with the punk scene since the late 80s and the rave scene since the early 90s.

Here's my resume:
http://www.djentropy.com/stuff/resume/Ian_Scott_aka_DJ_Entropy_resume.doc

SOMEONE OPEN A CLUB WITH ME!  I don't have the money, but I have the know how and experience.  
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: RidleyReport on May 26, 2004, 12:35:21 am

DJ wrote

<< I am the DJ at the Porc Fest next month, and I have been DJing for about 10 years as well, and playing bass and guitar since >>

Arright there Mr. Entropy I just went by your site and d/l'd a few of your MP3's...and I think it's safe to say that after almost 2 years of looking I have finally found another free stater I might be able to do music with.    

Your stuff is great, it matches my tastes pretty much and if you like, this is what I'd like to do.

Would you mind if I dumped some lyrics and vocals  into one of your tunes?    I'm thinking of using "Spiritual Journey" and making it a Free State related story.

I'm about 25% through with the lyrics now and if you are into this idea I will  sing 'em into my audio software over the next week or two and send it to your or what not.
 

Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: djentropy on May 26, 2004, 12:50:09 am

DJ wrote

<< I am the DJ at the Porc Fest next month, and I have been DJing for about 10 years as well, and playing bass and guitar since >>

Arright there Mr. Entropy I just went by your site and d/l'd a few of your MP3's...and I think it's safe to say that after almost 2 years of looking I have finally found another free stater I might be able to do music with.    

Your stuff is great, it matches my tastes pretty much and if you like, this is what I'd like to do.


Woohoo!


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Would you mind if I dumped some lyrics and vocals  into one of your tunes?    I'm thinking of using "Spiritual Journey" and making it a Free State related story.

I'm about 25% through with the lyrics now and if you are into this idea I will  sing 'em into my audio software over the next week or two and send it to your or what not.

Dude, that would rock.  A vocalist is EXACTLY what I need for inspiration.  I've been having a severe lack of inspiration lately as my music tastes have been changing to more punk and pop-punk based stuff, but I still want to
 weave electronic music into it.  As you can imagine, that is hard to do without a vocalist, and I'm certainly not one.  I'm also pretty damn depressed here in Kommunist Kerry-ville (I live in central Boston), which stifles creativity quite a bit.  I would LOVE to work with you on songs.  You are just the inspiration I need.  :)

BTW, Spiritual Journey was made right after a grrl I was going out with passed away.  She was a very free spirit, and I know if she were alive today, she would love the FSP and what is was doing, and would have been a part of it.  For the lyrics to the song I made in rememberance of her to be freedom journey related would be perfect.  Email me at djentropy@mindspring.com

I look forward to working with you.  :)
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: RidleyReport on May 26, 2004, 01:13:41 am
OK DJE sit tight and I'll see what I can come up with.  You may or may not find that what I do matches what you want, but I'm glad to hear you do need vocals/lyrics.

I will say that on balance a lot of your music does not seem like it needs vocals or would benefit from me adding them.  But SJ seems to have room for them.

Very sorry to hear about your friend...that does add a whole new dimension to the tune.


Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: RidleyReport on May 26, 2004, 01:22:55 am
Hey DJ how tough would it be for you to make a version of that tune that is a full step higher in pitch?  

Would be a little easier for me to peg some of the bass notes I have in mind if it were.   Although pegging is not precisely the plan... I have in mind something kinda outa tune heh heh.


Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: djentropy on May 26, 2004, 10:58:09 am
OK DJE sit tight and I'll see what I can come up with.  You may or may not find that what I do matches what you want, but I'm glad to hear you do need vocals/lyrics.

I will say that on balance a lot of your music does not seem like it needs vocals or would benefit from me adding them.  But SJ seems to have room for them.

Very sorry to hear about your friend...that does add a whole new dimension to the tune.





Well, my idea was that if you have lyrics and chord progressions, I want to make new stuff for your songs.  You're correct, my current stuff doesn't cater to vocals much, because it wasn't written with vocals in mind.  However, I would like write stuff for your vocals.  Lemme know what you got.  :)
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: djentropy on May 26, 2004, 11:01:14 am
Hey DJ how tough would it be for you to make a version of that tune that is a full step higher in pitch?  

Would be a little easier for me to peg some of the bass notes I have in mind if it were.   Although pegging is not precisely the plan... I have in mind something kinda outa tune heh heh.


Well, I could pitch the whole thing up, but then it's gonna be much faster.  Or I could pitch it up without changing the tempo, but then it will sound like crap from reverse timestretching.  I'd have to remake all the sounds from scratch pretty much, so see what you can do with it as is.

:)

Like I said though, if you have songs written already, I'm down to make new music for your vocals.


PS. what style of vocalist are you, btw?  Generally, anyway.
Title: Re:Free State Music Venue
Post by: RidleyReport on May 30, 2004, 09:56:53 am
DJ this is an unfinished (and ugly in spots) rough draft of a tune I worked on with another producer who will probably never finish it.   The vocals are all me so that will give you an idea of my general style better than describing it would.  

http://home.earthlink.net/~dadaorwell/Gimmee_Draft_3.mp3

If you hear indicators here that we are not a match stylistically or whatever, let me know so we can save each other some time.

Do you have a DAT player?  I have a DAT full of my vocal sounds, scales, one liners, etc.  It also has some vocals for tunes that still need to have track added and be produced.

But we should probably start simple.