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Title: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: George Donnelly on March 22, 2009, 09:52:32 am
Are there any plans for families to camp in the same area? I have a 3 year old so I'd like for my family to camp away from the parties and near other families. Any takers?
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on March 22, 2009, 01:46:09 pm
One of you could find what area has not been reserved heavily for that week and aim for it.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on March 22, 2009, 03:12:05 pm
The Walkers (with soon-to-be-four-year-old Peter) and the Eastmans (with Angel, Daniel, Tamber, and Eli that I know of coming, ranging from 6 - 16 y.o.) will be sharing a site close to the playground.  You could reserve one in that general area.  :)  I don't necessarily know where the "parties" may be held, but at lest kids would be nearby.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Kate on March 23, 2009, 12:02:38 pm
For a  very quiet sites I would look at sites 100 to 110.  These are quite a hike to the main festivities.
The sites near the playground are very convenient but they are not going to be quiet. due to the are on he main drag into the camp sites.
The campsites along the top of the map  tend to be fairly quiet and some are also more private because they are in the woods.
Kate
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: George Donnelly on March 23, 2009, 12:16:23 pm
Thanks all for your comments. :)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: freedomroad on March 23, 2009, 01:02:23 pm
Also keep in mind that earplugs are very cheap (even cotton balls work a little).  I'm just saying...
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: George Donnelly on March 23, 2009, 01:15:06 pm
LOL, ok we'll bring those too. Hey I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, I just want to get out of their way. :)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: sj on March 23, 2009, 02:23:05 pm
Also keep in mind that earplugs are very cheap (even cotton balls work a little).  I'm just saying...

A less unpleasant alternative might also be the hotel...though that kind of defeats the purpose if you're coming to camp.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: George Donnelly on March 23, 2009, 02:29:27 pm
Exactly, yes, I want to camp, and introduce my wife and son to camping. They've never done it and I haven't since I was a boy scout.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on March 23, 2009, 02:50:49 pm
We were right on the poplar field last year, just a stone's throw from the "fun tent", and Pete didn't have any trouble sleeping through on any given night.  I think there's so much going on during the day, that little ones get tuckered out by nightfall and can't help but sleep soundly.

You and your wife would be the ones to "worry" about, and earplugs *do* work great.   ;D
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ny2nh on March 23, 2009, 04:46:48 pm
Are there any plans for families to camp in the same area? I have a 3 year old so I'd like for my family to camp away from the parties and near other families. Any takers?

If you're looking for quiet - which is completely understandable if you have a young child - I would stay clear of the busy part of the campground including the playground area. As Kate suggested, sites 100-110, would be more quiet for a family.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Lumpy on March 23, 2009, 09:14:32 pm
Last year at Porcfest, the state jerkers ...  ahhh, I mean "workers" placed us away from the Poplar field, which was where there were lots of thangs goin' on.
It was quiet but I feel like I missed out on the camaraderie.  We did bring bikes along with us though and that was good.  It was a good idea and IS a good idea for anyone who has a bike.  Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ny2nh on March 24, 2009, 06:52:46 am
Last year at Porcfest, the state jerkers ...  ahhh, I mean "workers" placed us away from the Poplar field, which was where there were lots of thangs goin' on.
It was quiet but I feel like I missed out on the camaraderie.  We did bring bikes along with us though and that was good.  It was a good idea and IS a good idea for anyone who has a bike.  Just a suggestion.

No reason you couldn't have picked a spot in Poplar Field. I've never had a campground - including Gunstock or any other state run facility - "place" me at a particular site. Maybe you said you wanted a wooded site, or something secluded.....or whatever....and they directed you to the site you ended up with. If the sites in Poplar Filed were already gone by the time you arrived, lesson learned to reserve a site ahead of time. : )
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Dreepa on March 24, 2009, 09:26:18 pm
Are there any plans for families to camp in the same area? I have a 3 year old so I'd like for my family to camp away from the parties and near other families. Any takers?

If you're looking for quiet - which is completely understandable if you have a young child - I would stay clear of the busy part of the campground including the playground area. As Kate suggested, sites 100-110, would be more quiet for a family.

yeah I am staying the furtherest away from the parties... it is unknown if I am bring little dreepas with me to Pfest.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on March 25, 2009, 05:59:09 am
Leave'in them home to run the farm?
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Lumpy on March 30, 2009, 10:47:08 pm
Last year at Porcfest, the state jerkers ...  ahhh, I mean "workers" placed us away from the Poplar field, which was where there were lots of thangs goin' on.
It was quiet but I feel like I missed out on the camaraderie.  We did bring bikes along with us though and that was good.  It was a good idea and IS a good idea for anyone who has a bike.  Just a suggestion.

No reason you couldn't have picked a spot in Poplar Field. I've never had a campground - including Gunstock or any other state run facility - "place" me at a particular site. Maybe you said you wanted a wooded site, or something secluded.....or whatever....and they directed you to the site you ended up with. If the sites in Poplar Filed were already gone by the time you arrived, lesson learned to reserve a site ahead of time. : )

Nah, we asked to be around other FSP-ers specifically.  That is where they said they were putting us. 
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ny2nh on March 31, 2009, 06:05:53 am
Do you really think that Gunstock was keeping track of which campers were with the FSP and which were not?
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Fishercat on March 31, 2009, 08:40:31 am
Do you really think that Gunstock was keeping track of which campers were with the FSP and which were not?

They seemed to with our reservation.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on March 31, 2009, 11:38:05 pm
Well this year is supposedly going to be far different than previous years at Rogers as far as where the parties are going to be held and such.  Perhaps far away sites were the quiet ones in past years, but this year the far away sites is where the parties will be held instead.  I've been told by head organizer herself to continue to encourage families with children to reserve sites near the playground area and to encourage families to camp together!  ;D  Very exciting! 
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on April 01, 2009, 05:38:47 am
Actually, a party could occur at any campsite at any time.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Dreepa on April 01, 2009, 07:00:51 am
Actually, a party could occur at any campsite at any time.
oh no... ANARCHY!! >:D :-X
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: muni on April 01, 2009, 07:23:24 am
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  I've been told by head organizer herself to continue to encourage families with children to reserve sites near the playground area and to encourage families to camp together!  ;D  Very exciting! 

Which sites exactly?
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on April 01, 2009, 07:47:17 am
In the area of Site # 2.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: George Donnelly on April 01, 2009, 08:25:04 am
Actually, a party could occur at any campsite at any time.
oh no... ANARCHY!! >:D :-X

LOL hahahaha
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 09:41:39 am
Actually, a party could occur at any campsite at any time.

Well that's true enough, but if the families with kids all reserve those particular camp sites, and those families don't want partying on their particular site (at least not at all hours of the morning), then I would guess that that wouldn't happen so much.  Though, I will clarify, I was primarily referring to the "official" parties and the "fun tent" type stuff.

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  I've been told by head organizer herself to continue to encourage families with children to reserve sites near the playground area and to encourage families to camp together!  ;D  Very exciting! 

Which sites exactly?

As far as campsite numbers:
The organizers would like to concentrate families with kids primarily around:
24, 26, 28;
25, 27, 2, 4, 6, 10,;
5, 7, 31, 33,; and
11, 9, 8, 29, 30, 32,

Maybe secondarily around:
19, 20, 22;
18, 21, 23, 12, 14;
36; and
17, 13, 34, 35, 37.

And, while Rogers has been now notified that we would like to have the families with kids in that area, there is no guarantee, so reserve your site early families!!  ;D

In the area of Site # 2.

*giggles*  Lloyd, looks like you'll be surrounded by short ones.  :)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Quiet Activist on April 01, 2009, 10:33:56 am
I am a little concerned that the site I reserved for Porcfest is on the list for the "Family Area".  Once the date and place was announced I called and reserved the site to be near bathrooms, the main area and with electric/water.  I do not have a family and do not plan to be quiet at night.  Not saying I am going to be partying all the time but I like to have fun when I go camping.  There will be drinking and fires at night.

I think if there was going to be a family area that would have been decided before the event was announced so that someone that doesn't want to have to worry about enjoying themselves in the evening doesn't accidently reserve a site that will later become a family area.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on April 01, 2009, 11:06:35 am
Somehow I think it will all work out ;D
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 11:14:13 am
I think if there was going to be a family area that would have been decided before the event was announced so that someone that doesn't want to have to worry about enjoying themselves in the evening doesn't accidently reserve a site that will later become a family area.
Well, if you notice, there hasn't been much "officially" announced (i.e. from Carla) except for the dates and how to register.  The remainder of the announcements as to events, locations, and parties and such haven't been made officially, and aren't coming until May 1st.  Because there has been so much speculation and inquiries as to the location of those things, and because people are anxious to start reserving their sites, I asked if I could announce this particular thing prior to the event(s) being announced on May 1st.  She agreed it would be a good idea to have the families congregate around the playground area, and she agreed that would be a good idea to announce this "before the event was announced" (i.e. prior to May 1st).   :)

Somehow I think it will all work out ;D

;D  Agreed!  The kids will all be at Lloyd's site! LOL!!   >:D
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Quiet Activist on April 01, 2009, 11:45:11 am

"before the event was announced" (i.e. prior to May 1st).  

As to this statement, the date and place was announced in January.  Wasn't that an official announcement?

I am just trying to make a point that I have chosen to come to this event and now I have to be concerned about a area that I am camping in.  I choose a high traffic area so that I could meet as many other freedom lovers as I could.  This area seemed to be a place everyone will have to walk around in the evening to get places and figured it was the best way to accomplish this.

Was the availability of these camp sites checked before deciding this as the family area? 
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Dreepa on April 01, 2009, 11:54:11 am
I called....I was told 'no any site is ok.'  so no sites are being reserved.

This whole family area might want to be 're thought'  because Rogers has no idea and will place people whereever they ask.
I guess some spaces are already taken near the playground.

I don't recall that place being quiet as it was right 'in the thick of things'.
Also many of those sites have electricity and people for some reason want electricity when they are camping.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 12:00:52 pm
I understand your point QA.  I don't think you need to be terribly concerned.  I don't think the "family area" calls for total silence.  I think everyone understands that this is still a camping trip, and there is always other campers around.  
Somehow I think it will all work out ;D
I think Lloyd is right, and I really don't think there will be huge problems (unless people generally intend on being discourteous, which I highly doubt - we're all there to get along and get to know each other, right?).  

And, actually, I was told the family area was going to be discussed with Rogers this past Monday's visit, and sent confirming email to Randy this morning prior to announcing this.  Of course any site will be okay, and people will be placed wherever they ask if they ask for a specific site. This area isn't being specifically reserved for *only* families, it is being strongly suggested by the organizers for families to congregate around/ask specifically for that area/those sites.  That's all I'm saying.

Agreed, Dreepa, and as I said, it hasn't been quiet in past years, and that is everyone's recollection, which is why we all felt it important to get this announcement out prior to May 1st.  There will be more clarification then as to "where" the "thick of things" will be.

Again,
Somehow I think it will all work out ;D
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JonM on April 01, 2009, 12:11:18 pm
Actually, a party could occur at any campsite at any time.

Well that's true enough, but if the families with kids all reserve those particular camp sites, and those families don't want partying on their particular site (at least not at all hours of the morning), then I would guess that that wouldn't happen so much.  Though, I will clarify, I was primarily referring to the "official" parties and the "fun tent" type stuff.

Quote
  I've been told by head organizer herself to continue to encourage families with children to reserve sites near the playground area and to encourage families to camp together!  ;D  Very exciting! 

Which sites exactly?

As far as campsite numbers:
The organizers would like to concentrate families with kids primarily around:
24, 26, 28;
25, 27, 2, 4, 6, 10,;
5, 7, 31, 33,; and
11, 9, 8, 29, 30, 32,

Maybe secondarily around:
19, 20, 22;
18, 21, 23, 12, 14;
36; and
17, 13, 34, 35, 37.

And, while Rogers has been now notified that we would like to have the families with kids in that area, there is no guarantee, so reserve your site early families!!  ;D

In the area of Site # 2.

*giggles*  Lloyd, looks like you'll be surrounded by short ones.  :)
I can tell you for a fact that some of the sites on that list have been reserved since last year and will most certainly not be quiet.  I would strongly suggest taking the advice of other people well familiar with Rogers and encouraging people who want quiet to be where there is less traffic, both foot and car.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 12:19:21 pm
I can tell you for a fact that some of the sites on that list have been reserved since last year and will most certainly not be quiet.  I would strongly suggest taking the advice of other people well familiar with Rogers and encouraging people who want quiet to be where there is less traffic, both foot and car.

Well, that's funny, because up until late January of this year, PorcFest was going to be held at Gunstock again, so I can't understand (unless people are psychic) how they would know a) that PorcFest would be at Rogers and b) what dates an entire year prior.  Wow!  Will you pick a lottery ticket for me, too?  Cuz I never win those.  >:D

I'll talk with Carla again, and we'll bring it back to the committee, but as of right now the planning committee and Carla all have agreed this is a good place to encourage families to reserve.  :)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JonM on April 01, 2009, 12:24:04 pm
I can tell you for a fact that some of the sites on that list have been reserved since last year and will most certainly not be quiet.  I would strongly suggest taking the advice of other people well familiar with Rogers and encouraging people who want quiet to be where there is less traffic, both foot and car.

Well, that's funny, because up until late January of this year, PorcFest was going to be held at Gunstock again, so I can't understand (unless people are psychic) how they would know a) that PorcFest would be at Rogers and b) what dates an entire year prior.  Wow!  Will you pick a lottery ticket for me, too?  Cuz I never win those.  >:D

I'll talk with Carla again, and we'll bring it back to the committee, but as of right now the planning committee and Carla all have agreed this is a good place to encourage families to reserve.  :)
Because after the early June date was announced for Gunstock and the late June date was proposed for Rogers, bets were hedged in the hopes Rogers would win out.  I suggest you go with a powerball number of 98.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 12:31:13 pm
Because after the early June date was announced for Gunstock and the late June date was proposed for Rogers, bets were hedged in the hopes Rogers would win out.  I suggest you go with a powerball number of 98.
Sweet!  When I'm a billionaire, I'll split it with the FSP - donated on behalf of Jon Maltz.  >:D

Hey, I got no problems bringing it back to Carla, but the kids activities will be starting bright and early in the mornings and we'll be meeting at the playground for our start off point.  :) 

Still, there are plenty of those sites in that area still available, and *I* can say for a fact that some of the sites that are already reserved in that area already have kids at them.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JonM on April 01, 2009, 12:35:19 pm
I don't believe any of the people who are in that area, or any area are concerned that there will be tykes running about.  I don't recall a no-kids area being set up.  I think it is not a wise idea to promote to those people that the area is a quiet area when a chunk of sites were reserved before that decision was made.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 12:56:00 pm
I think it is not a wise idea to promote to those people that the area is a quiet area when a chunk of sites were reserved before that decision was made.
So noted.

I don't think I "promot[ed] that the area is a quiet area", I am pretty sure I said
but this year the far away sites is where the parties will be held instead.  I've been told by head organizer herself to continue to encourage families with children to reserve sites near the playground area and to encourage families to camp together! 
and
Well that's true enough, but if the families with kids all reserve those particular camp sites, and those families don't want partying on their particular site (at least not at all hours of the morning), then I would guess that that wouldn't happen so much.  Though, I will clarify, I was primarily referring to the "official" parties and the "fun tent" type stuff.

I don't believe any of the people who are in that area, or any area are concerned that there will be tykes running about.  I don't recall a no-kids area being set up. 
I don't believe any families with kids had any issues with non-kid-families or singles enjoying themselves at their own sites.  I do believe there was concerns about bigger parties due to noise issues such as what occurred last year at the fun tent.  Fun tent et all was addressed above, so let me repeat what I said about individual sites:
I don't think you need to be terribly concerned.  I don't think the "family area" calls for total silence.  I think everyone understands that this is still a camping trip, and there is always other campers around.  

So, again, let me bring it back to Carla as you suggested and see what she says.  I think perhaps the outcome will be the same and:
Somehow I think it will all work out ;D
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: muni on April 01, 2009, 01:01:56 pm
.  I don't recall a no-kids area being set up.  I think it is not a wise idea to promote to those people that the area is a quiet area when a chunk of sites were reserved before that decision was made.

What sites are we talking about?

How many families that need quiet area and how many noisy singles are going to be there?  

What would be your recommendations for a quite site with electricity not too far from bathrooms?

Where is the Fun Tent going to be?
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Kate on April 01, 2009, 01:09:51 pm
I want this year to be another great Porc Fest.
 
I have to agree with Dreepa.  
I have  been to all of the Porc Fests at Rogers. The area recommended for the family area is in the thick of things and is great for meeting new people but not very quiet.
I was wondering if you checked the availability of those sites?  People have been reserving sites for months now.  I know that 6 of them in that area booked already.  

Those who want to meet a lot of people and be in the thick of things should register in the triangle  between the 2 bathrooms and main lodge.  

For those who are looking for quiet sites are best off getting ones between Rt 2 and the bathroom  over by the water slide or any of the sites on along the north west corner of the map above the mobile home/RV sites.

http://rogerscampground.com/
click on camp map

Kate

Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JonM on April 01, 2009, 01:18:09 pm
I think it is not a wise idea to promote to those people that the area is a quiet area when a chunk of sites were reserved before that decision was made.
So noted.

I don't think I "promot[ed] that the area is a quiet area", I am pretty sure I said
but this year the far away sites is where the parties will be held instead.  I've been told by head organizer herself to continue to encourage families with children to reserve sites near the playground area and to encourage families to camp together! 
We all know how well central planning works out.

People have a few years of experience at Rogers, and based on that experience reserved sites they liked. Parties will happen where they happen, regardless of what someone else may want.  Saying that the main traffic area where everyone funnels through after they are done with whatever fun they were having elsewhere in the campground should be the family area is fine if families don't mind hearing that until 2 or 3am.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 01:41:55 pm
Yes, of course.  You all are right, and everything I have said is wrong.  All I know is what the organizer has coordinated, not what happened in previous years, and of course we all know that repeating the past is the best course of action and shooting the messenger is the best way to change things.

1) How many families that need quiet area and how many noisy singles are going to be there?  

2) What would be your recommendations for a quite site with electricity not too far from bathrooms?

3) Where is the Fun Tent going to be?
Muni,

1) Last I talked to Randy there were only 4 sites reserved in those sites that I put in bold, and I know I've got one of them, and it seems Lloyd has another one. (I don't think Lloyd is a noisy single, unless you count his snoring!  ;) )  Perhaps in the past day or two there have been a few more reservations, which I will confirm with him in a little bit and get back to you if you'd like.

2) I can't say what your personal preferences might be, but if you look at the map, site 28 has electric, is near both playground and bathroom.  4 and 7 aren't that much farther from the bathroom.  And if you look to the other side, site 60 also has electric and is closer to that other bathroom.  Those would be my suggestions.

3)Currently the thing that will be similar to the fun tent of last year will be held at the picnic area pavilion this year, although the plans are all still being finalized, and as I posted previously, those announcements will be made May 1st.  Maybe wait to reserve until that announcement is officially made.

Hope that helps you and Joshua (and the cat) find a good site to be at.  (LOL @ Joshua insisting on bringing the cat!  :)  )

Ivy
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JonM on April 01, 2009, 02:16:47 pm
Yes, of course.  You all are right, and everything I have said is wrong.  All I know is what the organizer has coordinated, not what happened in previous years, and of course we all know that repeating the past is the best course of action and shooting the messenger is the best way to change things.
Almost everyone who has camped at Rogers and has posted in this thread has agreed that most of the sites near the playground are perhaps not the best choice, ironically enough, for families if a certain amount of quiet is of concern.  You can take that advice however you wish to, it does not change the facts.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on April 01, 2009, 02:20:07 pm
So I’m guessing this is why Carla stopped posting on the forum about PorcFest. Can’t please anyone around here… ::)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on April 01, 2009, 02:29:19 pm
I'm not staying at #2.  I'm thinking that as we are all rational individuals there can be some trading of spaces to get everyone where they want to be.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 02:45:57 pm
Almost everyone who has camped at Rogers and has posted in this thread has agreed that most of the sites near the playground are perhaps not the best choice, ironically enough, for families if a certain amount of quiet is of concern. 
Wow, really?  I see five people posting here to say that is perhaps not the best choice of areas.  I thought much more than five people have been to porcfests past.  Hmm I guess I really *am* wrong.  heh.   :)
I did not say that those were not bustling sites in prior years, I said that this year we are trying to do it differently.  I did not disagree with your information about the past, I said that we are hoping to change the past.  I was not contradicting your information about how it used to be, but rather offering that that is not necessarily the way it will be this year.  But reading into things is also always the best way to do anything.
You can take that advice however you wish to, it does not change the facts.
I will!  I will take that advice and go talk to Carla about what she wants to do - as I previously said.  But keep twisting my words and attacking me - that always helps/works.

So I’m guessing this is why Carla stopped posting on the forum about PorcFest. Can’t please anyone around here… ::)
No kidding.  It's no wonder why no one realizes what is actually going to be happening this year, because the people who are actually planning aren't allowed to even post without the plans (or person announcing them) being attacked.  

Free-for-all anyone?  Oh wait, should we wrestle for sites?  Or, oh, I know.  How about those who are more flexible and spontaneous actually offer to be kind, courteous, and helpful to those that might have restrictions or set schedules (like those single party-ers offering to let the people with kids (who might enjoy being near the playground) oh, I don't know, (ironically) be near the playground).   Just a thought.

I'm not staying at #2.  I'm thinking that as we are all rational individuals there can be some trading of spaces to get everyone where they want to be.
Gee, that's what I was thinking too.  Apparently I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JonM on April 01, 2009, 02:56:15 pm
Almost everyone who has camped at Rogers and has posted in this thread has agreed that most of the sites near the playground are perhaps not the best choice, ironically enough, for families if a certain amount of quiet is of concern. 
Wow, really?  I see five people posting here to say that is perhaps not the best choice of areas.  I thought much more than five people have been to porcfests past.  Hmm I guess I really *am* wrong.  heh.   :)
I said "and who has posted in this thread" as you quoted, so why are you choosing to make some sort of fuss over that statement?

All the sites that border the playground are already reserved.  2, 4 and 6 are also reserved.  Only 1 site from 101 to 110 has been reserved, and that is agrred to be a quiet area by Rogers as well.

If there is supposed to be some sort of effort to encourage people to camp in certain areas for whatever reason, I saw nothing about it, and I would bet a lot of people who reserved sites in that area know nothing about it either.   I went for a site known not to flood myself.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 03:02:27 pm
I think I was more emphasizing that y'all were making a fuss about a suggested family area, not necessarily actually making a fuss myself over your statement - but again, continue reading into things, that always works.

I went for a site known not to flood myself.
Well that's a smart idea.  That's kinda what Bill and I did too.  Definitely prefer to sleep in dry....  :)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ny2nh on April 01, 2009, 03:09:54 pm
I'm not sure why people who have already reserved their sites should be expected to change to a different site because now there is some previously unannounced plan to to have a "family area".

My camping plans were set quite a few months back. Some people I am camping with/near may or may not have their kid(s) with them. We decided on our site because of it's location, it's amenities, and the size/layout of the site itself. We planned ahead so we could have the site we wanted. I have no intention of changing plans now.

The concept of a family area might be a good one - if it was planned ahead of time and announced when the dates were announced. Trying to pull this together now seems futile.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 03:16:56 pm
Tammy,





(wait for it folks)

















I agree.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Lumpy on April 01, 2009, 03:23:39 pm
Do you really think that Gunstock was keeping track of which campers were with the FSP and which were not?
I have no idea.  They said told us where people were going.  Why is this so important to you? 
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ny2nh on April 01, 2009, 03:30:23 pm
Do you really think that Gunstock was keeping track of which campers were with the FSP and which were not?
I have no idea.  They said told us where people were going.  Why is this so important to you? 

Just emphasizing that you can't blame Gunstock for what site you got or if it was close enough to enough of the other fspers. You should have found out where people were staying and made sure you were close enough. Or, scouted out the campgrounds and then told them which site. It;s not the campgrounds job to do that for you.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Pat K on April 01, 2009, 03:55:49 pm
Holy shit! WOW!

Do you people need a hug?

Has the winter been long and we are a little edgy?

3 pages of bitching over camping spots?

Take a deep breath, take a smoke if ya need to.

Rogers is a much tighter camp ground then Rogers.
Quite frankly I could be heard from one side of Rogers to the other
if the need was there.

Folks will have to VOLUNTARILY COPERATE with each other
so all will have a good time.

I am sure we are capable of this.

Now don't make me stop this car and come back there.
Play nice, or there will be belly bops in your future.



Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 04:07:36 pm
LMFAO @ Pat!!!!   ;D    I need a hug!  Do you know what?!  I found a tick on my leg today.  A tick!!!  Already!!!  Can you freaking believe it?!!!  ugh - so gross. 

Anyway, thinking about this whole situation a bit more...

If those who are discouraging families to camp in that area because *they* plan on being noisy/loud already would be so kind as to post what sites *they* have reserved, so then perhaps families with kids that want to be away from those discourteous behaviors might be able to decide for themselves what site is best, rather than posting where they think others "should" camp.

I think Tammy is right - the last thing anyone wants is for everyone to be pointing fingers at everyone else and saying "You should do this."  If I came across that way, I apologise too.  I was trying to announce what I had been asked to announce; that is all.  

So, yeah, maybe best course of action is a thread of "I am Jane Doe and I will be attending with 5 of my girlfriends and we plan on being up all night and getting drunk and being really loud.  We'll be at Campsite 8."  and "I am John Smith, single dad with child and cat (sorry Muni, that's just too funny, I had to use it!!  ;D ) and I would like peace and quiet so I will be at Campsite 100."  or something.  Those that are undecided can view what's what and decide after that.  

Just a thought - you all, of course, don't need to do that but it would likely be most helpful to those with kids, rather than telling them what site YOU (edit: or I) think is best for THEM.  :)
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: MK on April 01, 2009, 04:08:43 pm
I'm not sure why people who have already reserved their sites should be expected to change to a different site because now there is some previously unannounced plan to to have a "family area".

My camping plans were set quite a few months back. Some people I am camping with/near may or may not have their kid(s) with them. We decided on our site because of it's location, it's amenities, and the size/layout of the site itself. We planned ahead so we could have the site we wanted. I have no intention of changing plans now.

The concept of a family area might be a good one - if it was planned ahead of time and announced when the dates were announced. Trying to pull this together now seems futile.

I couldn't disagree more with your Futile comment (I don't give up easily) and I don't think anyone has any real expectations of anyone doing anything they don't want to do. 

I think it's a Super idea to try and put families together, even at this late moment in time, as much as possible, through Voluntary Actions.  No One is Expecting Anyone to do Anything they don't want to do (People won't be asked, personally).   I know there's still the large majority who haven't yet made reservations and if they want to try and be next to each other as much ts possible, why shouldn't they try versus listening to your... It Will Never Work Attitude and try nothing?  I have the oppisite Attitude, it's a very "Can Do Anything" Philosophy and so I'd love to see those interested go for it and do the best they can (can't miss!!!).

Those interested will make themselves known and do what they can and to create a "Make Shift" Kids' area in the name of Fun.  It won't be perfect (but who cares?).  That's what we'll do this year and next year, the FreeStater Families & the FSP will be All Over It and it will even be better.

It's All Good, Piece of Cake!   



Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 04:25:04 pm
No Really, Markus.  We should all just give up.  There is no voluntaryism here.  It doesn't matter that no one was saying "should" or "we expect you to" or "you have to", what matters is "I was here first".  After all, don't we all hate it when we hear the words "It's for the children!"  Makeshift, schmakeshift - blah.  Who cares if the kids want to be near the playground?  "I was there first."   >:D  ;D   Right?  lol
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ny2nh on April 01, 2009, 04:42:35 pm
From what I have heard, all the sites along the playground are already booked except for site 8. I could be wrong.

And sorry, Ivy, this isn't about "I was here first", this is about some people have planned ahead of time so that they could get a dry site with water and electric. It;s not anyone's "fault" that those sites happened to be by the playground.

And Markus - I don't give up quickly either, however, considering the sites that surround the playground have already been reserved, that makes it futile in my view. I would think rather than waste energy on trying to undo what is already done, maybe that energy should be put into a plan b.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Dreepa on April 01, 2009, 07:16:29 pm
No one better wake me up... no matter where my site is... but there is now about a 10% chance I might not be there.   :'(

Also I am teaching my son to play the bugle.

First one at 5am...  :P
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: MK on April 01, 2009, 08:01:28 pm
I think it's great that families are trying to camp next to each other.  After reading Dave M's PorcFest Past Thread, it sounds like the quietest places are going to be on the edges of the Campground (away from the center, i.e.; playground). 

So it sounds like maybe this could be the plan?  Regardless, I would encourage all Families to ignore those who say it's too late, it won't work.  Rather use their "no" comments to show them Yes! 

Use what they don't, your Imagination to make it work and have fun!   Because it Absolutely can be positive to some Degree!   
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on April 01, 2009, 08:17:27 pm
I have reserved campsites through out Rogers.  I have a campsite near you! whoever you are.  I will be accepting Gold and Silver for 'not' partying every night during Porcfest.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 10:05:49 pm
LMAO Lloyd!!!

*sigh* ah well, I guess that's what it takes to try and accommodate certain needs - bribery!  hehehe
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: muni on April 01, 2009, 10:15:55 pm

Hope that helps you and Joshua (and the cat) find a good site to be at.  (LOL @ Joshua insisting on bringing the cat!  :)  )


Thanks, I guess we'll stick with site 39 for now, at least until there's an understanding where the quiet area is. But the more I think about it, the quiet are is not that important. After playing for a whole day with the other kids Joshua will sleep anywhere.  I'm not so sure about the cat, I really don't want him to get lost there. We'll see.

 muni .

Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 01, 2009, 10:31:13 pm
Yeah, I wouldn't bring the cat either, but I know how insistent (and persuasive) kids can be.  :)  I absolutely agree with you about the noise thing.  I think I mentioned this before, but Pete slept like a rock at last year's PorcFest, and we were right near (like 4 sites away!) the funtent.  I really think they'll all be too tuckered out to notice.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Lumpy on April 02, 2009, 01:05:36 am
Do you really think that Gunstock was keeping track of which campers were with the FSP and which were not?
I have no idea.  They said told us where people were going.  Why is this so important to you? 

Just emphasizing that you can't blame Gunstock for what site you got or if it was close enough to enough of the other fspers. You should have found out where people were staying and made sure you were close enough. Or, scouted out the campgrounds and then told them which site. It;s not the campgrounds job to do that for you.

Chill out.  This is NHnotNY.   ;D  (If you are still sneering at my futile attempt at humor, it just means you still have too much NY in ya).   >:D  I'd still hug ya but it might make you vomit  little.   :-X
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Lumpy on April 02, 2009, 01:07:17 am
Does anyone think it might be a good idea to reserve a camp site for the guys who are coming with very little spending ability?  The cost could be shared or donated by some of us others or something.  Is this too silly?
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: lloydbob1 on April 02, 2009, 05:36:22 am
I rented extra campsites for the first two Porcfests for indigents.  There was so much sharing of sites the second year, I'm not sure if the second site I had reserved was used!
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: Lumpy on April 04, 2009, 12:27:57 pm
I rented extra campsites for the first two Porcfests for indigents.  There was so much sharing of sites the second year, I'm not sure if the second site I had reserved was used!

Wow...  I should have expected this kind of generosity and charity an sharing coming from the best people on earth.
Title: Re: Family Area at 2009 PorcFest?
Post by: JaqEboy on June 23, 2009, 08:36:13 pm
Does anyone think it might be a good idea to reserve a camp site for the guys who are coming with very little spending ability?  The cost could be shared or donated by some of us others or something.  Is this too silly?

We usually always have extra space at the AltExpo site (#36) and can take in weary, poor travellers.