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Title: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: joeyforpresident on March 04, 2009, 05:39:04 pm
This was sent to one of the Yahoo! Discussion Groups I'm a member of:

Quote
From: Zack Bass (Ross@Poldark.org)
To: MidlothianTexas@yahoogroups.com
Tuesday, March 9, 2009
Subject: Re: Pro-Liberty Zoning Board (Grafton)‏

A few years ago I challenged the Grafton sh++heads to pass Zoning if
they really wanted to keep us out, and the next Town Meeting there was
such a Warrant Article (you gotta learn these terms, NH is not like
Texas) and they rejected Zoning. We're gonna take over. As soon as
libertarians control the Planning Board I'm buying land there, and as
soon as libertarians control the Board of Selectmen I'm moving there
and inviting all the donkey f++kers and dope dealers and polygamists
(did you know that the Town Clerk issues Marriage Licenses?).


I've devoted 1/3 of my political skills to ensuring that Bass and Chuck Geshlider never see the light of day in another organization, party, candidate that I'm affiliated with. After two horrible disasters of having Chuck come organize things, it was clear to me that the only way to stop others from making my mistakes was to expose him.

Now, for those who need a history lesson, just Google Grafton NH or Save Grafton. Round 2 won't get off the ground if I have anything to say about it...


Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: sj on March 04, 2009, 06:55:08 pm
Thank god he was kicked out of the FSP.   ::)

As I was just saying in my last post, some people would rather make others angry than achieve liberty. 
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Dreepa on March 04, 2009, 07:39:18 pm
notice how he wants others to do the work then he will move....puhleeze.

I have heard that too many times.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: sj on March 04, 2009, 08:06:29 pm
He just wants attention.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: CurtHowland on March 05, 2009, 11:21:42 am
"Zack Bass" is one of the few people for which I have a filter in my email, so that I never have to see anything from him.

Liberty works.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: joeyforpresident on March 07, 2009, 08:49:35 am

There must be various strains of "liberty" with you folks. The libertarians over at NHFree don't really have an issue with this zoophilia stuff. I'm getting different reactions here.

Kinda interesting.


What a difference a few years makes. ZB (Larry Pendarvis) was railed out for his antics in 2003/04 and now there's a whole group of libertarians that support it.



I'm a libertarian, but I just don't believe that allows for doing that animal thing...agree to disagree lol.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: ivyleague28477 on March 07, 2009, 09:18:19 am
I would think that most of those who already have moved to Grafton and have taken the time and effort to integrate themselves into the town and repair the damage this dude did the first time around and bring positive changes to that town might have something to say about him marching in like he's some savior.   ;) 
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: sj on March 08, 2009, 03:52:17 pm
I would think that most of those who already have moved to Grafton and have taken the time and effort to integrate themselves into the town and repair the damage this dude did the first time around and bring positive changes to that town might have something to say about him marching in like he's some savior.   ;) 

Are you saying you'll show up with angry signs to the town meeting if he shows up?  ;)
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on March 08, 2009, 09:59:41 pm
There must be various strains of "liberty" with you folks. The libertarians over at NHFree don't really have an issue with this zoophilia stuff. I'm getting different reactions here.

Kinda interesting.

What a difference a few years makes. ZB (Larry Pendarvis) was railed out for his antics in 2003/04 and now there's a whole group of libertarians that support it.

I'm a libertarian, but I just don't believe that allows for doing that animal thing...agree to disagree lol.

NH Free is mostly for people who are outright voluntaryists, anarchists, and so on. People who consistently believe in the Non-Aggression Principle. The FSP covers a much broader range of liberty-leaning philosophies. So it’s no doubt you’re going to run into resistance over there when you say stuff like “that’s against the law” as if that’s sufficient justification for something being impermissible.

And, since I’m in both places, I’ll repeat what I said over there (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17312.msg288859#msg288859):—

You seem to be trying to conflate two issues with your criticism of Zack Bass. (Maybe that’s just accidental—your “that’s not liberty; that’s against the law” argument makes me think you’re not the most logically-minded individual out there. ;D) One issue is that Zack Bass brought the FSP bad publicity because he advocated such extreme concepts of liberty. The other is whether or not such extreme concepts of liberty actually are permissible.

I don’t see anyone defending Zack Bass on this thread. People are defending the consensual activity that Bass advocated.

Bass was an idiot—possibly a provocateur—and deserved to be ostracized, in my opinion, also: not for what he was believes in, but for the bad publicity he was bringing to the FSP by advocating so strenuously for it at this juncture.



And… why are you harping on the zoöphilia thing? As I recall, Zack Bass advocated a variety of extreme topics—cannibalism, pedophilia, and so on.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: WannaBeRSC on March 09, 2009, 11:04:42 am
There must be various strains of "liberty" with you folks. The libertarians over at NHFree don't really have an issue with this zoophilia stuff. I'm getting different reactions here.

Kinda interesting.

What a difference a few years makes. ZB (Larry Pendarvis) was railed out for his antics in 2003/04 and now there's a whole group of libertarians that support it.

I'm a libertarian, but I just don't believe that allows for doing that animal thing...agree to disagree lol.

NH Free is mostly for people who are outright voluntaryists, anarchists, and so on. People who consistently believe in the Non-Aggression Principle. The FSP covers a much broader range of liberty-leaning philosophies. So it’s no doubt you’re going to run into resistance over there when you say stuff like “that’s against the law” as if that’s sufficient justification for something being impermissible.

And, since I’m in both places, I’ll repeat what I said over there (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17312.msg288859#msg288859):—

You seem to be trying to conflate two issues with your criticism of Zack Bass. (Maybe that’s just accidental—your “that’s not liberty; that’s against the law” argument makes me think you’re not the most logically-minded individual out there. ;D) One issue is that Zack Bass brought the FSP bad publicity because he advocated such extreme concepts of liberty. The other is whether or not such extreme concepts of liberty actually are permissible.

I don’t see anyone defending Zack Bass on this thread. People are defending the consensual activity that Bass advocated.

Bass was an idiot—possibly a provocateur—and deserved to be ostracized, in my opinion, also: not for what he was believes in, but for the bad publicity he was bringing to the FSP by advocating so strenuously for it at this juncture.



And… why are you harping on the zoöphilia thing? As I recall, Zack Bass advocated a variety of extreme topics—cannibalism, pedophilia, and so on.

Cannibalism? Did he expect his plane to slam into a mountain or such?
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: joeyforpresident on March 09, 2009, 04:58:08 pm
I'm harping on all of it.

;)


Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Dave Mincin on March 09, 2009, 05:32:03 pm
Geisler was in NH, maybe 5, 6 years ago, and we made it clear to him he wasn't welcome,
and he left.  Bass as best I know is still setting behind his computer in FL.  They are not an
issue here.

If you want to spend a bunch of time keeping them away, go for it, but in truth, they haven't
been anything we have even thought about in years.

Personally I could care less what Chuck Geisler is doing, and in fact most of the folks here have
no idea who he is, and that sets well with me! :)
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: WannaBeRSC on March 09, 2009, 07:31:26 pm
I'm harping on all of it.

;)

It was the cannibalism that caught my eye. I mean, Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over? Apparently I have been in a very cloistered environ and never knew.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: MaineShark on March 09, 2009, 10:40:59 pm
It was the cannibalism that caught my eye. I mean, Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over? Apparently I have been in a very cloistered environ and never knew.

It's been a while since I saw any of his nonsense, but I believe the hypothetical situation was one where someone just wanted to be a cannibal, and found someone who freely agreed to be eaten.

Being a liberty-lower means staying out of other folks' business.  If they want to do that, and it's truly consensual, none of us have the right to force them to stop.

Doesn't mean that we have to associate with them, or invite them to dinner.

You have the right to do anything which does not involve the initiation of force/fraud against another.  One of those rights is to refuse to associate with those who you find distasteful, for whatever reason.  I don't have the right to order you to bathe.  But if you walk around reeking like you've never seen soap, I certainly have every right not to invite you into my home...

Joe
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Dreepa on March 10, 2009, 06:51:25 am

Doesn't mean that we have to associate with them, or invite them to dinner.



especially if we don't know what they are serving!

 :-X
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: WendellBerry on March 10, 2009, 07:26:58 am

Doesn't mean that we have to associate with them, or invite them to dinner.



especially if we don't know what they are serving!


Don't you mean "whom" they may be serving, not "what"?
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Keyser Soce on March 10, 2009, 10:28:32 am
This was sent to one of the Yahoo! Discussion Groups I'm a member of:

Quote
From: Zack Bass (Ross@Poldark.org)
To: MidlothianTexas@yahoogroups.com
Tuesday, March 9, 2009
Subject: Re: Pro-Liberty Zoning Board (Grafton)‏

A few years ago I challenged the Grafton sh++heads to pass Zoning if
they really wanted to keep us out, and the next Town Meeting there was
such a Warrant Article (you gotta learn these terms, NH is not like
Texas) and they rejected Zoning. We're gonna take over. As soon as
libertarians control the Planning Board I'm buying land there, and as
soon as libertarians control the Board of Selectmen I'm moving there
and inviting all the donkey f++kers and dope dealers and polygamists
(did you know that the Town Clerk issues Marriage Licenses?).


I've devoted 1/3 of my political skills to ensuring that Bass and Chuck Geshlider never see the light of day in another organization, party, candidate that I'm affiliated with. After two horrible disasters of having Chuck come organize things, it was clear to me that the only way to stop others from making my mistakes was to expose him.

Now, for those who need a history lesson, just Google Grafton NH or Save Grafton. Round 2 won't get off the ground if I have anything to say about it...


Seems like your 1/3 could be better spent on another endeavor. If another 6 jerks show up, will you then devote the other 2/3 to stopping them?
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: nayjevin on March 16, 2009, 11:47:28 pm
I advertise FSP at my sites:

http://www.libertysteps.com
http://www.libertyclick.com
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on March 23, 2009, 10:07:07 pm
joeyforpresident deleted himself?
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Pat K on March 23, 2009, 10:50:18 pm
joeyforpresident deleted himself?


You radicals drove him away. >:D
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Moebius Tripp on March 23, 2009, 10:54:39 pm
Yeah, did you see his posting re: NAP?  and the rabid responses?  (here, and on NHFree)  I categorize him as a social conservative without tolerance for other viewpoints.  Probably doesn't want to be associated with "sexual deviants" and anarchists.  Also, IMO, he probably believes that grace and mercy should be earned, and isn't acquainted with forbearance.  I think we can count on him to two-step forward, one- to three-step back toward economic freedom within the NH Republican Party.  Did the counters move backward with his retraction?
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: freedomroad on March 23, 2009, 11:07:12 pm
Did the counters move backward with his retraction?

What did he retract from?  If you are referring to his account of the FSP Forum no longer being active, that has nothing to do with the counter.  Did I miss where he asked to be removed from the FSP on this forum?
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Moebius Tripp on March 23, 2009, 11:26:40 pm
Did the counters move backward with his retraction?

What did he retract from?  If you are referring to his account of the FSP Forum no longer being active, that has nothing to do with the counter.  Did I miss where he asked to be removed from the FSP on this forum?

Entirely my presumption, apparently.  My apologies, didn't mean to alarm anyone.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Keyser Soce on March 24, 2009, 12:54:56 am
The counter is moving backwards? Oh my god!  :'(  >:D  ;D
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Dreepa on March 24, 2009, 09:24:11 pm
The counter is moving backwards? Oh my god!  :'(  >:D  ;D

I can think of at least 10 people who have left the state.  And at least 10 in NH who have not updated their state.....a wash on the counter.   ;D
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: sj on March 24, 2009, 09:31:03 pm
The counter is moving backwards? Oh my god!  :'(  >:D  ;D

I can think of at least 10 people who have left the state.  And at least 10 in NH who have not updated their state.....a wash on the counter.   ;D

All the people who moved out and all the people who have moved and not updated (a net gain of about 40 movers) will be put into the system sometime in the near future.
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: Keyser Soce on March 25, 2009, 10:06:47 pm
The counter is moving backwards? Oh my god!  :'(  >:D  ;D

I can think of at least 10 people who have left the state.  And at least 10 in NH who have not updated their state.....a wash on the counter.   ;D

All the people who moved out and all the people who have moved and not updated (a net gain of about 40 movers) will be put into the system sometime in the near future.

Thanks for keeping on top of that.  8)
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: ivyleague28477 on April 04, 2009, 01:36:24 pm
I advertise FSP at my sites:

http://www.libertysteps.com
http://www.libertyclick.com

HEY!!!  I didn't even notice you here!!  Give Roxi big hugs for me darlin'!!  I miss you guys!

Ivy
Title: Re: [Round 2] Just a Little Heads-Up...
Post by: FTL_Ian on April 04, 2009, 09:20:56 pm
joeyforpresident deleted himself?

Good riddance.   8)