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Title: need an address
Post by: ejw2076 on January 07, 2008, 08:01:04 pm
I'm currently in the USAF stationed in Montgomery, AL.  I would like to change my state of residence (http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/homeofrecord.htm) to New Hampshire so that when I move up there at the end of my enlistment I can get in-state tuition prices.  I basically need a legitimate address, whoever lives there wont need to do anything, and this will put absolutely no responsibility on you.  If someone could help, please PM me an address.  I wont be moving until summer 2010 as I have 2 years left on my enlistment, but this will give me a chance to get some debt paid off, a little money in the bank, and hopefully finish my Bachelors degree.  When I get there I would like to attend UNH for my masters and get a part time job (and of course be politically active.)   I also need to know how I would go about getting a New Hampshire state Drivers License without actually having to make the trip.  If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: CA_Libertarian on January 07, 2008, 09:29:14 pm
Pretty sure you have to show up in person to get the Driver's License - and I think you have to show proof of residence, like a utility bill or something official with your NH address on it.  I think there was a thread around where someone said they argued their way around the paper requirement, but I can't find it now.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on January 09, 2008, 02:57:03 am
This is your first post here, and what you’re asking people to help you with is illegal. Drivers license fraud: RSA 263:5-a VI (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-5-a.htm), RSA 263:12 V (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-12.htm), RSA 260:10 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/260/260-10.htm). Criminal solicitation, conspiracy: RSA 629:2 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/629/629-2.htm), RSA 629:3 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/629/629-3.htm).

Sting operation, anyone?
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: ny2nh on January 10, 2008, 03:59:08 pm
I thought members of the military could claim their residence in any state they wanted to?
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: Puke on January 10, 2008, 04:46:50 pm
I thought members of the military could claim their residence in any state they wanted to?

Nope. You have to have either lived there before joining or currently live there.
You could take a trip up here and buy a private PO Box.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: Keyser Soce on January 10, 2008, 05:10:37 pm
I thought members of the military could claim their residence in any state they wanted to?

Nope. You have to have either lived there before joining or currently live there.
You could take a trip up here and buy a private PO Box.

PO box is my plan. We'll see if the DMV will take a receipt from the Post Office as proof of residency.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on January 10, 2008, 10:21:14 pm
PO Box addresses are obviously not residential addresses, since they’re written “PO Box nnnnn”, with a special ZIP code that indicates the location of the city post office. Private mail boxes (PMBs), such as what the UPS Store sells, can be written to look like a normal street address—but some of these places won’t rent to someone without proof of residency in-state.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: Keyser Soce on January 11, 2008, 12:07:00 pm
Clearly, none the less, I have had a state issued dl in AZ for over a decade and never gave them an address other than a po box. I intend to do the same there. At the very least, I'll know what the absolute minimum legal requirements are to 1) maintain residency 2) get a dl 3) register a vehicle 4) be registered to vote

To require a utility bill wouldn't stand up in court. I could be hand pumping my water out of the ground with a fireplace for heat and have no electricity being a luddite or some antitechnology religion. Or, I could just live in a van.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: John Edward Mercier on January 11, 2008, 02:38:24 pm
They don't 'require' a utility bill... they 'accept' it as an option.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: JonM on January 11, 2008, 03:14:00 pm
Long ago, when I moved to MA my license plate from the state I moved from was to expire a few days after I arrived.  I got a PO box while I was living in a hotel (I don't think you can do that anymore) and registered my car and got a drivers license using just that.  Up until I moved to NH my excise tax bill came to the PO Box.  Luckily I got that apartment in the same town the PO Box was in.

When I moved to NH in order to get a PO box they had to ask my mail carrier if I actually lived at the address I claimed.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: ejw2076 on January 11, 2008, 05:49:24 pm
This is your first post here, and what you’re asking people to help you with is illegal. Drivers license fraud: RSA 263:5-a VI (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-5-a.htm), RSA 263:12 V (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-12.htm), RSA 260:10 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/260/260-10.htm). Criminal solicitation, conspiracy: RSA 629:2 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/629/629-2.htm), RSA 629:3 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/629/629-3.htm).

Sting operation, anyone?


Read my link.  By changing my residence I'm saying that I intend on moving to New Hampshire when I separate from the military.  The reason I need an address is because some people in the military will change their legal residence to avoid paying state income taxes - NOT because they wish to live in the state that they are claiming.  Since I do wish to live in New Hampshire, and am not doing it to avoid taxes, it is completely legitimate.  As far as the drivers licence goes, my KS dl is about to expire, leaving me without a card and without residency in KS to get it renewed.  So essentially I'm going to be claiming residency with the state of New Hampshire (and due to abuse of tax evasion, I would need an address,) but cannot move there for a physical residence due to the fact that the US military has me stationed in Alabama.  Also, I am not asking how to give a fake address for a dl (I would already have state residency, as I would be able to vote in New Hampshire elections) I'm asking if New Hampshire allows residence who are in the military, to get state drivers licenses without returning to the state.

I thought members of the military could claim their residence in any state they wanted to?

Nope. You have to have either lived there before joining or currently live there.
You could take a trip up here and buy a private PO Box.

Not quite true, read the link in my first post.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on January 14, 2008, 09:31:15 am
I’m pretty sure claiming to be a resident, while not yet ever having set foot in the state, would still fall under those RSAs.
Title: Re: need an address
Post by: maxxoccupancy on January 31, 2008, 11:34:22 pm
My understanding of military law is that your "Home of Record" (the state where you were living when you joined) is not the same as your "Legal Residence," that is, where you intend to live when you leave the service.  That's the state where you vote and pay taxes.  To "crack down" on servicemembers who "cheat the system" the gub'mint has added needless paperwork reporting requirements to make life extra tough on people.  Ironically, none of this paperwork stops real tax cheats (who are quite happy to break the law to avoid paying up) any more than it stops voter fraud.

Like gun control, it only hurts law abiding citizens, not cheaters.