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Title: The case for Alaska
Post by: alaskaone on March 11, 2003, 09:24:06 am
I would like to propose that Alaska be be selected the Free State.  There are several advantages to adopting Alaska and I will attempt to list some of them here.  I will also be happy to field any questions.

1).  We have land and tons of it.  However, most of it is owned by various government agencies.  We are worse off than Utah, in that respect, and that is the biggest liability to living here.
2).  We have a low population which means the FSP goal of 20,000 individuals will create a huge voting block.  For general information, the 4th largest city in Alaska, Ketchikan has less than 8,000 people in it.
3).  We are physically separated from the United States and in the eyes of most of the world, we are not part of the U.S. which has immense benefits when traveling over seas.  When traveling overseas, being Alaskan opens many doors that are closed to Americans.
4).  Alaska is basically a 3rd world country.  Our resources are taken and processed in the United States and then sold back to us.  That means, there is lots of opportunity for business to develop here if we can find a way around the federal and state beaurocracies.
5).  We are relatively close to Japan, China and right next door to Russia... China will be the next global economic powerhouse and Russia needs our help... more opportunity in the future.
6).  Or weather, legendary for it's harshness, is mostly a figment of your imagination.  For the main populated areas the weather is no more harsh than the winters of Minnisota or the Dakotas... it just lasts about 90 days longer is all.
7).  We are next door to Canada.  If you don't mind making a 5 day car trip, you can take advantage of lower prices.  I admit, some of the other states suggested have closer access.
8).  You can't beat our scenery and we love global warming!
9).  No snakes.  No lizards.  No roaches.  No horseflies, chiggers, ticks... got mosquitos tho.
10).  The highest percentage of pilots in the nation!
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Robert H. on March 11, 2003, 09:40:54 am
Welcome, alaskaone!   :)

You've made some interesting points about Alaska, and, as one who has spent a good amount of time studying about the state, I don't believe I'd be disappointed at all if it were chosen.

Take a look at the other threads where certain aspects of Alaska have been discussed and see if you have any insights on them:

Alaska - Nothing Comes Close (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=164)

Alaska - The Only Choice (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=677)
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: alaskaone on March 11, 2003, 10:04:37 am
Thanks for the links.

First link was pretty good, discussion wise.

Second link, it seems the originator is pissed and took his ball and went home.
Lots of discussion about succession from the Union.  A waste of time even to concider it.  Aside from the 'been there, done that' article, we only have some 650,000 people and a good number of them are in the military!  Besides, we have some of the most powerful representatives in Washington DC., we soak the U.S. for $billions.

Hey, better us than more money sent off to the despots & dictators funds overseas.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: varrin on March 11, 2003, 07:02:39 pm
Spent 3 days in Anchorage within the last week (on two separate occasions).  It's been a *very* mild winter.  Still too cold for me.

V-

Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: freedomroad on March 12, 2003, 01:34:09 am
6).  Or weather, legendary for it's harshness, is mostly a figment of your imagination.  For the main populated areas the weather is no more harsh than the winters of Minnisota or the Dakotas... it just lasts about 90 days longer is all.
7).  We are next door to Canada.  If you don't mind making a 5 day car trip, you can take advantage of lower prices.  I admit, some of the other states suggested have closer access.

About 6, I opted-out of ND (because of the weather, isolation, and flatness)
AK's weather, where I would live, is better than ND's weather.  It is not as good as SD's weather.  I would live near Rapid City in SD, it has much better weather than AK.  Even though AK has very cold weather I still think it would be one of the best states to pick so I can not let this factor cause me to opt-out of AK.

About 7, AK is, by far, even more isolated than ID, ME, MT, ND, or SD.  AK is just isolated.  It is not even in the same ballpark with MT, the most isolated state in the lower 48.  And MT is afwul compared to WY, NH, or DE.  I am sorry but it really does take 5 days to get from the big city of AK to a big city out of CA.  I have a friend at work that lived in AK for 28 years (his 1st 28 years).  He does not mind driving for days at a time, I guess that is an AK thing.  However, he said he left because it was just too cold.  He did not even complain about the lack of sunlight in the winter or too much sunlight in the summer.  He said he loved the place but it was just too cold for him.

WY has most of the good qualities (in fact, WY in better in most of them) of AK but is the 3rd warmest of the 10 states.  Also, Wyoming is the 3rd least isolated of all 10 states.  The only state with better weather and that is less isolated than WY is DE.  Many of the FSP member originally supported AK or MT but later changed their support to WY.  You might want to compare WY and AK some.  
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: varrin on March 12, 2003, 01:57:02 pm
WY has most of the good qualities (in fact, WY in better in most of them) of AK but is the 3rd warmest of the 10 states.  Also, Wyoming is the 3rd least isolated of all 10 states.  The only state with better weather and that is less isolated than WY is DE.  Many of the FSP member originally supported AK or MT but later changed their support to WY.  You might want to compare WY and AK some.  

Sorry, I'm just not going to let you get away with those statements about Wyoming.  They're just not true.  Both in temperature and snowfall, Wyoming's weather is not clearly superior to 7 of the other states.  North Dakota is clearly worse.  Alaska is fairly clearly worse.  I havnen't studied Vermont's weather in detail, but I'm confident I could defend this position:  ND and AK have the worst weather.  DE and ID have the best weather.  SD, NH, and VT have a modest lead over MT, WY, and ME.  That puts WY at best in 6th place.  But, honestly, I don't have time to spit out all the data.  So I guess I'm just gonna have to say that and let it be.

As for the isolated issue, it depends on how you define isolated.  I wouldn't define Idaho as isolated and it's weather is significantly better than Wyoming's.

V-

Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Robert H. on March 13, 2003, 01:53:08 am
SD, NH, and VT have a modest lead over MT, WY, and ME.  That puts WY at best in 6th place.  But, honestly, I don't have time to spit out all the data.  So I guess I'm just gonna have to say that and let it be.

Actually, from the following map, Vermont and New Hampshire are fairly inundated with snow compared to large areas of Montana and Wyoming.

http://www.climatesource.com/cd11/snow_us.gif (http://www.climatesource.com/cd11/snow_us.gif)

The following numbers are from the Weather Channel:

Avg. High  Avg. Low  Mean Avg. Precip.  Record High  Record Low

Wyoming

Cheyenne (South Eastern)
 
Jan  37  15  26  0.45 in.  66 (1982)  -30 (1930)                  
Jul  82  53  68  2.26 in.  100 (1939)  33 (1915)
Nov  45  22  33  0.64 in.  73 (1999)  -21 (1916)

Vermont

Burlington (North West)    

Jan  27  9  18  2.22 in.  66 (1995)  -30 (1957)
Jul  81  60  71  3.97 in.  100 (1995)  39 (1962)
Nov  44  30  37  3.06 in.  75 (1950)  -3 (1938)

New Hampshire

Manchester, NH  (South near MA)

Jan  32  5  19  3.07 in.  67 (1950)  -35 (1961)
Jul  82  55  68  3.58 in.  100 (1991)  38 (1965)
Nov  50  24  37  3.66 in.  91 (1954)  -4 (1989)

Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: varrin on March 13, 2003, 02:15:28 am
That snow map is good.  I had a printout of it somewhere but I lost track of it at some point (my wife cleaned my studio while I was out on my last trip... maybe I'll blame her??? ;-)

The grean area in north-central Wyoming (the Cody/Powell area) seems most attractive to me.  It's interesting though, on that piece of paper I had with the map, I had temp data, avg. snowfall, and some other things I had looked up.  If I recall correctly, the temps there were somewhat colder than, say Cheyenne which gets lots more snow.  Wierd.  But if I went there, I'd have to drive to Billings to catch a plane to go to work.  Yeah, theoretically, I could fly out of Cody, but in practice it wouldn't really work for me due to details of my specific job.

I'm really looking at the specific weather in specific cities that I'm interested in and I don't see anything in WY that works terribly well for me.  Wilmington and Boise, on the other hand, work just fine.

Since thie is an AK thread I should say somthing about AK.  So here it is.  I can't do AK because:

1: Weather.  It's cold.  Sorry.  It just is.  I just experienced some really nice winter days in Anchorage.  It's still cold.

2:  Commute.  We have a couple people that do it and it's a pain.

That's the bottom line.  Can't change the weather.  Don't need to get a new job.  If I'm gonna commute, I may as well keep my federal income taxes, go overseas *and* have good weather.

But to be fair, let me say this about Alaska.  The dark thing wouldn't bother me.  I've been there in the winter and in the summer.  I don't mind sleeping a lot and I keep the blinds shut real good in the summer. The summers in Anchorage are *really* hard to beat.  It's beautiful (though there's lots of tourists).  There are great places to eat in Anchorage, a 4 story mall, all the usual stores and creature comforts you'd expect from a city it's size.  The scenery is fantastic.  You can drive to something like 20 or 30 glaciers within a couple hours.  Denali's not far.  The hiking, biking, running, rollerblading, fishing, hunting, etc. is wonderful.  In short, I love it up there.

But I still couldn't move there.....  

V-

Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Zxcv on March 13, 2003, 08:30:49 am
Wow, looks like VT and most of NH have an awful lot of snow. As much as the tops of the Blue Mountains in Oregon get!   :o

Actually I wouldn't mind some snow. I don't get much where I am, kinda miss it. To me it looks like the light blue areas are about ideal.

Too bad that snow map doesn't have Alaska.

I've got a large version of the spreadsheet (many more rows), and when I run it with my favorite weight "vector" I get Alaska in 5th place. It's got some good points. I'd probably move there for FSP but I know for sure my wife would not, so that would be a problem.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: alaskaone on March 14, 2003, 11:04:34 am
You can always tell when a conversation is over... you have to start talkin bout the weather.

Thing about cold is, you can always put on more clothes... if you're too hot, there are only so many clothes you can take off without frightening the neighbors. :o

No place is perfect but Alaska has the space, the resources, the 'romantic' reputation that makes overseas travel a pleasure for us and there are no state income taxes... yet.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: vermass on March 14, 2003, 12:54:41 pm
  I'm a New Englander. Born in Western MA, I'm used to cold temperatures. I lived in Fairbanks AK for 2 1/2 years. It is f^%#*^g cold. You cannot "put on enough clothes". That statement will mislead people who have never spent time in the bitter cold. It gets so cold that your eyeballs feel like icecubes! If you want to know what I mean just take a couple of ice cubes and put them over your eyes and hold them there, it gets cold enough in AK that the air will make your eyes feel like that. I will go to AK if it is chosen but I will say this: Even many who are willing to go will leave after their first winter. If the cold don't get them the lack of sunlight will. I'm not saying this to be negative just realistic.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: varrin on March 14, 2003, 05:49:26 pm
vermass,

You're right about how cold it gets.  However, Fairbanks is a fair bit colder than Anchorage.  

I don't live by that whole 'put more clothes on' theory anyway.  I like it hot hot hot.  Alsaka is a long ways from even lukewarm.

V-

Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: freedomroad on March 14, 2003, 11:56:58 pm
WY has most of the good qualities (in fact, WY in better in most of them) of AK but is the 3rd warmest of the 10 states.  Also, Wyoming is the 3rd least isolated of all 10 states.  The only state with better weather and that is less isolated than WY is DE.  Many of the FSP member originally supported AK or MT but later changed their support to WY.  You might want to compare WY and AK some.  

Sorry, I'm just not going to let you get away with those statements about Wyoming.  They're just not true.  Both in temperature and snowfall, Wyoming's weather is not clearly superior to 7 of the other states.  North Dakota is clearly worse.  Alaska is fairly clearly worse.  I havnen't studied Vermont's weather in detail, but I'm confident I could defend this position:  ND and AK have the worst weather.  DE and ID have the best weather.  SD, NH, and VT have a modest lead over MT, WY, and ME.  That puts WY at best in 6th place.  But, honestly, I don't have time to spit out all the data.  So I guess I'm just gonna have to say that and let it be.

As for the isolated issue, it depends on how you define isolated.  I wouldn't define Idaho as isolated and it's weather is significantly better than Wyoming's.

V-



Varrin, I almost feel insulted.  I have studied the issues of weather and climate for about 20-24 hours.  Yes, I put that much time into it.  I read reports on weather in most of the large towns and cities and many of the countries in all of the states.  I will post you some of my related findings.  A future tip, please, when you openly admit that you have not studied the issue do not come out, like another person is a liar.  Thanks.

Temps:
Average January Temperatures for selected Wyoming and other cities:  
 
Cheyenne, WY                        26.4 F
Cody, WY                               24.1 F    
Casper, WY             22.3 F
Phillips, WY                            27.8 F
Yoder, WY                              27.0 F
Pine Bluffs, WY                      26.8 F
Sheridan, WY                          20.0 F
Chugwater, WY                       27.6 F
Riverton, WY                          13.8 F
Glenrock, WY                         24.8 F
Yellowstone Park, WY           19.1 F
Laramie, WY                           20.2 F
Rock Springs, WY                  20.1 F
La Grange, WY                       25.7 F
Wheatland, WY                       28.2 F
Albin, WY                               26.1 F
Carpenter, WY                        26.2 F
Gillette, WY                            20.6 F
Saratoga, WY                          21.2 F
Douglas, WY                           23.2 F
Dubois, WY                             22.8 F
Torrington, WY                       25.1 F
Buffalo, WY                            22.1 F
Archer, WY                             26.1 F
Midwest, WY                          23.5 F
Lusk, WY                                23.4 F
Rock Springs, WY                  20.1 F
Mountain View, WY              21.7 F
New Castle, WY                     21.9 F

Fairbanks, AK                    -10 F
Nome, AK                            7 F
Anchorage, AK       15.8 F
Juneau, AK                         26.5 F
Grand Forks, ND     5.3 F
Fargo, ND                           5.8 F
Minot, ND                          7.5 F
Bismarck, ND                    9.2 F
Aberdeen, SD                     10.1 F
Watertown, SD                   9.9 F
Mitchell, SD                      15.2 F
Sioux Falls, SD       14.0 F
Deadwood, SD                   22.1 F
Saint Johnsbury, VT          17.3 F
Burlington, VT       18.0 F
Caribou, ME                        9.9 F
Bangor, ME                       17.5 F
Augusta, ME       19.0 F
Rumford, ME                     16.5 F
Portland, ME                      20.9 F
Berlin, NH                          14.6 F
Hanover, NH                      17.7 F
Massabesic Lake, NH        20.8 F
Concord, NH       18.9 F
Keene, NH                         20.9 F
Glasgow, MT       10.8 F
Great Falls, MT                  21.2 F
Lewiston, MT                     19.5 F
Miles City, MT                  16.0 F
Billings, MT                       23.7 F
Butte, MT                          16.7 F
Idaho Falls, ID                   20.5 F
Coeur d Alene, ID              28.6 F
Pocatello, ID       24.4 F
Dover, DE                          33.7 F
Wilmington, DE       30.4 F

I know these are just selected temps and do not prove that WY is the 3 warmest state.  I know that The FSP spreadsheet just uses selected temps and Jason's research does not prove that WY is the 3rd warmest state.  However, the official 'Taps' do prove that Wyoming is the 3rd warmest state.  Spend 10 hours reading them and you will find the numbers above plus other numbers for other cities and towns.

I do not remember mentioning snow, but here is some interesting info:
Wyoming is also, one of the better states for snow.  The Northeastern states, are by far, the worst states for snow.  If you do not think that it snows a great deal in VT, NH, and ME I'll give you the email addresses of my family in VT and ME and you can ask them.

Average yearly snow for selected Wyoming and other cities:  
 
Laramie, WY          33.9 in
Casper, WY            82.1 in
Moorcroft, WY      34.8 in
Riverton, WY         29.5 in
Torrington, WY     29.7 in
Lovell, WY            18 in  
Buffalo, WY          32 in
Cheyenne, WY      52.4 in
Pine Bluffs, WY    37.2 in
Thermopolis, WY  43.1 in
Wheatland, WY     43.6 in
Sheridan, WY        58.6 in  
Green River, WY   25.2 in
Evanston, WY        32.6 in
Newcastle, WY      35.6 in
Carpenter, WY       30.3 in  
Pavillion, WY        18.3 in
Dubois, WY           28.3 in
Yoder, WY             45 in
Kaycee, WY           39.2 in
Cody, WY              33.4 in
Rock Springs, WY 44.2 in      
Worland, WY         22.4 in

Concord, NH         65 in
Berlin, NH             83.4 in
Hanover, NH         71.2 in
Nashua, NH           62.1 in
Nome, AK             54.4 in
Juneau, AK            87.9 in
Anchorage, AK     67.6 in
Dover, DE             18.4 in
Willington, DE      21.4 in
Grangeville, ID      53.4 in
Coeur d Alene, ID 54.7 in
Pocatello, ID         45.2 in
Twin Falls, ID       28.7 in
Great Falls, MT     62.1 in
Lewiston, MT       66.4 in
Kalispell, MT        63 in
Bozeman, MT       92.1 in
Missoula, MT       53.1 in
Bismarck, ND       43.1 in
Fargo, ND             39.8 in
Minot, ND             44.1 in  
Spearfish, SD        62.5 in
Aberdeen, SD        34.4 in
Rapid City, SD     40.1 in
Newport, VT         97.7 in
Burlington, VT      82.2 in  
Montpelier, VT     93.9 in
Brunswick, ME     74.6 in
Rumford, ME        90.7 in
Caribou, ME         114.5
Bangor, ME           79.1 in
Augusta, ME         77.9 in
 
Source: ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/support/climate/taps/
 
Again, all of this info came from the offical 'Taps'

Overall:
According to Jason P. Sorens’ analysis, Wyoming has the 3rd warmest January of all 10 states, only behind Idaho and Delaware.  Wyoming has both cold and warm winter spells.  During the warm winter spells, the warm Chinooks winds are common on the eastern mountain slopes.  Also, Wyoming gets less snow than most of the other candidate states.  However, there is no need to worry for those of you that love snow, Wyoming has a few cities that get over 7 feet of snow a year.  

P.S. I also emailed you a 4 page, very detailed, weather report on Wyoming.  The report compares Wyoming to other states in many factors and talked about a lot of Wyoming only, factors.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Robert H. on March 15, 2003, 01:57:48 am
Fairbanks is generally much colder than Anchorage during the winter due to the fact that cold interior air is blocked from Anchorage by the Alaska mountain range.  Fairbanks doesn't have this luxury, and what's more, it's situated at a lower elevation, which causes the cold to "settle" there.  Anchorage also gets some of the warmer winds off of the Gulf of Alaska.

On the other hand, Fairbanks is a good bit warmer than Anchorage in the summertime.  Temperatures in the 80's are not unusual.  Fairbanks is also home to the Alaska State Fair in the summer.

I have a feeling that most FSPer's would settle around Anchorage, maybe some in the Kenai and Kodiak areas, and a few others would go to the panhandle.  Panhandle weather is quite balmy by Alaska standards, but the area is very isolated and the cost of living is higher there.  Fairbanks would probably receive only a handful.

Alaska would be a great long-term state for the FSP, perhaps even the best, but I believe that there are many who are just too afraid of it for it to stand much of a chance, and that really is too bad.  It would be a lifestyle change certainly; there's no denying that.  But even a few hundred true activists working with the AIP, LP and Constitution people there could probably make a real difference.

The state really needs its own project, something to reinvigorate the AIP.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Zxcv on March 15, 2003, 03:19:35 pm
Keith, if you've got something more comprehensive than Jason put together for winter temperatures (and for wind, for that matter) such as temps in the 5 largest cities, or up to some population limit, then I'd like to see it. I'd put that in my big spreadsheet.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: varrin on March 15, 2003, 08:40:20 pm
Keith,

First off, I profusely apologize for making the statements I made without having the data to back it up.  I should not have done that and will make every effort not to do that again.  It is unlike me, and I don't want to be known as someone who just puts stuff out there without doing the research.

Also, thank you for sending on the Wyoming report.  I haven't had a chance to dig into it yet but I will.  It looks to be most enlightening.

I didn't find the set of weather data I wanted but I did find some of it and completed the rest using a couple of different sources.

My goal was to come up with the average temps for the 5 largest cities over 10,000 pop (census data) in each state.  I am missing a couple pieces of data and had to duplicate a couple due to missing data and the proximity of cities, however I have a chart that I think is useable.  If you want it, or think I should post it, I will.

I ranked each state according to the average of the yearly average temps for the top 5 cities and according to the average of the yearly average snowfall for the top 5 cities.  With respect to our conversation and this thread, here are the results:

Alaska: #10 warmest (#1 coldest), #10 least snowy (#1 most snowy)
Wyoming: #7 warmest (#4 coldest), #5 least snowy (#6 most snowy)

If you add the other 4 wyoming cities over 10,000 population, the snow ranking remains the same, however, it moves *down* one spot in temperature ranking.  I'm reasonably confident my missing data wouldn't affect those rankings, however, just for the record, that only affects 3 states (ME, NH, and VT) which are all ranked lower for snow, and (strangely) higher for temp.  

My original post said WY was about 6th (which is about right).  I said DE and AK were best, which is correct.  I said AK and ND were worst, which is correct.  If you want the full data, I can provide it.... now... ;-)

V-

Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: freedomroad on March 15, 2003, 09:16:09 pm
Keith,

First off, I profusely apologize for making the statements I made without having the data to back it up.  I should not have done that and will make every effort not to do that again.  It is unlike me, and I don't want to be known as someone who just puts stuff out there without doing the research.

Also, thank you for sending on the Wyoming report.  I haven't had a chance to dig into it yet but I will.  It looks to be most enlightening.

I didn't find the set of weather data I wanted but I did find some of it and completed the rest using a couple of different sources.

My goal was to come up with the average temps for the 5 largest cities over 10,000 pop (census data) in each state.  I am missing a couple pieces of data and had to duplicate a couple due to missing data and the proximity of cities, however I have a chart that I think is useable.  If you want it, or think I should post it, I will.

I do not find average temps to be useful data.  The only thing that I find to be useful is average temp in Jan or something extremely similar.  Average temps can be good or bad.  Is the average temp of 50 better than the average temp of 70, I do not have a clue.  The average temp takes all 12 months in to consideration and not just the coldest month, so it does not relate to which state is the coldest during the winter.

AK, for example, has parts of the state that get very, very cold during the winter and quite hot during the summer.  Again, average Jan temps according to the official 'Taps' is what is important to me.  

Also, I am not interested in finding temps in the 5 largest cities.  I am interested in finding the 'Taps' of the cities the FSP member are likely to move to.  In Wyoming, this is the area between Cheyenne, Torrington, and Casper.  This is where most of Wyoming population is and the area closest to Ft. Collins, Boulder, and Denver so this is an area where any of the people that move to WY will want to live for easy travel out of state.  This area just happens to be the warmest part of Wyoming.  This part of Wyoming is warmer than any part of any state except for the warm part of ID and all of DE.  

Wyoming is a large state and its temps vary widely based on where in the state you are.  The coldest part of Wyoming is where very few FSP members will live.  This area goes from Jackson to Riverton and includes the cities near these cities.  Much of the area is an Indian Reservation and much of the rest of it is mountains.  

MT, AK, and ID are also large states and temps vary widely.  Mostly, when people talk about moving to ID, on these boards, they talk about moving to southern ID and this just happens to be the coldest part of ID.  However, the highly populated and regulated area near Boise is pretty warm, and this makes ID the 2nd warmest state. The western part of MT is very statists and a core union area.  This area has some very cold, snowy cities, and a couple that are a little less cold and snowy.  The northern part of MT is cold.  The warmest part of MT is the Billings area and even that area is 2-5 degrees cooler than the warm part of WY.  The eastern 3rd of MT is the coldest, most windy part of MT.  This is also the part of MT that is most freedom oriented, although, it is very dependent on farm subs.  The eastern 3rd of MT is very much like ND is climate.  SD is very much like ND except it is a little warmer, although still the 3rd coldest of all 10 states, and the windiest.

Varrin, I do not know where you got your info but I highly suggest you use 'Taps.'

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I ranked each state according to the average of the yearly average temps for the top 5 cities and according to the average of the yearly average snowfall for the top 5 cities.  With respect to our conversation and this thread, here are the results:

Look at Jason's report for average Jan temps in the top 2 cities of every state.  The order is DE, ID, and WY

Again, average yearly temp means nothing to me.  We are not trying to compare temps for any time except for the coldest time, Jan.  And, I do not care about the top 5 cities.  In VT, the top 5 cities are extremely tiny and not that relevant to the state of VT where MSA are more important.  In AK, Fairbanks, one of the top 3 cities is of little importance because it is too cold to live in, same with Nome, AK.  Many of ND's cities are too cold to live in, even if they have 20,000 5th generation North Dakotans.  All of NH's top 5 cities are in the same area, so this does very poorly at describing the temps for the entire state.
 

Thanks for the information.  I am glad we are moving on.
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: JasonPSorens on March 15, 2003, 10:00:40 pm
AK, for example, has parts of the state that get very, very cold during the winter and quite hot during the summer.  Again, average Jan temps according to the official 'Taps' is what is important to me.  


I'd revise that slightly to say that what we're probably most interested in is average January highs, rather than just average temperatures for the whole day.  The reason for that is that most of us will be active during the day rather than the dead of night, so that the high temperature will have more meaning for us.  Of course, when you're going to work in the morning, that would be a time when average lows might mean something!
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Robert H. on March 16, 2003, 08:32:30 am
Here's an Alaska analysis from Peter Jenkins' recent book Looking for Alaska:

"This giant place is filled with people determined to live as free as possible of others' intervention.  Alaska may have served as the incubator for the behavior now termed politically incorrect.  They despise being herded; if they were sheep, they would never go off the cliff together.  More than likely, they'd trample the shepherd."
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: Robert H. on July 08, 2003, 02:59:58 am
There are a few Alaska advantages that I believe people should be more aware of, as they could potentially be of tremendous importance to us:

1. Although it's the third least populous state, Alaska's legislature is the best in terms of how many seats it would take to create a majority there.  Here's a ranking of states that I posted on another thread:

Alaska:  House: 21 Senate: 11  Total: 31 seats
Delaware: House: 21 Senate: 11  Total: 31 seats
Idaho/South Dakota: House: 36, Senate: 18, Total: 54 seats
New Hampshire: House: 201, Senate: 13, Total: 214 seats
Maine: House: 76, Senate: 18, Total: 94 seats
Montana: House: 51, Senate: 26, Total: 77 seats
North Dakota: House: 48, Senate: 24, Total: 72 seats
Vermont: House: 76, Senate: 16, Total: 92 seats
Wyoming: House: 31, Senate: 26, Total: 57 seats

Delaware has the same number of seats, but I believe that its districts contain many more people than Alaska's.  The biggest problem in Alaska would be finding people to run in some of the more far-flung districts; however, those areas are not the most populous parts of the state.  Concentrating in the most populous (best climate) areas of the state should allow us to win the seats we need.

2. As mentioned elsewhere, the AIP (over 17,000 registered voters) and AKLP present us with a significant advantage in terms of third party infrastructure, and Alaska's huge number of "unaffiliated" and "non-partisan" voters could be a potentially large base of support to draw from.

Here were the number of registered voters by party in 2000:

Unaffiliated: 165,222
Republican: 115,966
Democrat: 76,248
Non-partisan: 75,022
Alaskan Independence: 19,293
Libertarian: 6,510
Other: 5,135
Green: 4,285
Moderate Republican: 2,185

Between "unaffiliated," "non-partisan," and "other," there are 245,379 "homeless" voters waiting for something viable to come along.  And, if we were able to forge any sort of alliance between the AIP, AKLP, and "moderate Republicans"...

I don't know of any other state that offers these advantages.  

Here's the source for that Alaska voter information:

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/elections/vhist00g.htm (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/elections/vhist00g.htm)

And here's the thread where I orginally posted these numbers and broke them down in an analysis of how the FSP could figure in (I did the same thing for Montana at the time as well):

Number of FSP'ers needed to change local politics (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=365)
Title: Re:The case for Alaska
Post by: jenlee on July 08, 2003, 11:27:58 am
.  Fairbanks is also home to the Alaska State Fair in the summer.

RobertH

Palmer also has the Alaska state fair. It is held in the last part of Aug. Pretty neat too. We have people, famous people come to it. Sing at it. Not Toby Keith but then again we already had him come up to Anchorage.

Also, from what I have been told Feb is supposed to the coldest month and luckily it is the shortest.

Alaska is far better than Idaho and Montana do to the fact we do not have those militants those two states have.

Another big plus is, Alaska is far away from the lower 48. Up here we are more free than any of the other candidate states. We have a small pop with most of the people living in Anchorage.

We have an international pop. We have people from every country in the world living here and we are very proud of that fact.

Another bonus is, we have the room for all 20,000 with room to spare.

And Idaho does get very nasty weather. And the views aren't all that much there.

So unless you are scared to move to the best state in the US and the best place in the world, please consider Alaska. You wont be sorry if you move here.