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Title: Its Gunstock
Post by: lloydbob1 on October 06, 2006, 08:17:04 am
They announced on the Yahoo thing that P'fest will be held at Gunstock next year.  I will visit for a day if some p'fest friends who I won't get to see otherwise still plan to attend, but, that will be it
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Pat K on October 06, 2006, 03:26:25 pm
They announced on the Yahoo thing that P'fest will be held at Gunstock next year.  I will visit for a day if some p'fest friends who I won't get to see otherwise still plan to attend, but, that will be it


Why whats the matter with Gunstock? It looked nice on their websight.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: lloydbob1 on October 06, 2006, 04:25:44 pm
After seeing Jane's 'Park Model' last summer, I decided I would rent one for P'fest.  Gunstock doesn't have them.  Just $50 per day cabins.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Pat K on October 06, 2006, 04:45:28 pm
So get a new tent , that don't leak and use those awesome handy man skills to come up with some kind of portable bed.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 06, 2006, 05:20:16 pm
With the rain we had last year .... the best bet would be to set up the hugh canopy .... then set up the tent underneath it. ;D
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: cathleeninnh on October 06, 2006, 05:58:58 pm
Somebody please offer Marcy a spot under that canopy.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Pat K on October 06, 2006, 06:11:48 pm
Is Marcy Prone to getting wet?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on October 06, 2006, 07:02:03 pm
For the record...
I did wake up in the middle of the night from my dry tent and put a tarp over her tent.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: freedomroad on October 06, 2006, 10:06:25 pm
After seeing Jane's 'Park Model' last summer, I decided I would rent one for P'fest.  Gunstock doesn't have them.  Just $50 per day cabins.

You hard a really nice set-up last summer.  Lloyd, it will all be ok, it will all be ok.  That cabin sounds nice and there are plenty of hotels near-by.  You will do OK.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 13, 2006, 07:56:07 pm
Some of us visited Gunstock today. I liked it better than I thought I would. It is not very busy and people should be able to make reservations up until the last minute.
The view of the mountain is great. I have already picked out my spot for best viewing. :)
If you hike up a little ways, there is a great view of the big lake and mountains in the distance.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 13, 2006, 08:59:26 pm
Some of us visited Gunstock today. I liked it better than I thought I would.

And I liked it too... If Russell and I can agree, it must be Friday the 13th.

And we went to a summer camp... wait a second.... I feel a movie parody coming on!!!!

This trailer not yet rated by the MPAA.

Just when you thought it was safe....  dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum

[Deep voice]
They came in droves... a pack of spiny critters wanting to be left alone, but also wanting to be in groups.
They came from the north, from the south, from the east and west, and from across the globe....
They came armed and ready for action,
They sat around the fires laughing loudly... knowing that their time had come....

It's back!! PorcFest 2007!!!!  Coming soon to a Free State near you!


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It is not very busy and people should be able to make reservations up until the last minute.

It's a big place, but it WILL be busy so don't count on that... plus our event planning will require early notice if you want to be part of some things, as we _will_ cancel certain cool events if we don't have enough people committed to them ahead of time.
PorcFest will be better for all of us if you plan ahead, and not at the last minute.

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The view of the mountain is great. I have already picked out my spot for best viewing. :)
If you hike up a little ways, there is a great view of the big lake and mountains in the distance.

We have plans for a 'party' area, for those who like that, and more quiet areas (lots of woods).
There is plenty of stuff to do onsite too.  Cell phones work, free wifi near the lodge, too.

And I have my spot picked out too, near Russell's.
Varrin found his spot already too. 
And Rich will be so busy he won't need a campsite.... just a place to sleep standing up for a few minutes at a time.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Pat K on October 13, 2006, 09:25:10 pm
Gee I wonder if I should camp in the party area?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: KBCraig on October 14, 2006, 04:06:44 am
Gee I wonder if I should camp in the party area?

Wherever you camp will be the party area.

Except, you don't "camp", you "park". The subsequent "party area" is defined as: "wherever PatK is".

I was glad to host PatK and his roving party area at my camper during Shorty/PorcFest 2006. I'm just sad that we won't be repeating for 2007.  :( (Our 2007 plans are for a fall foliage tour. We can only make one trip a year as of now. Pray we hit the lottery!)

Kevin
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: freedomroad on October 14, 2006, 07:26:08 am
You can check to fall leaves every single falls once you move (you will be forced to if you live in the North Country). but there will only be one Porcfest 2007.  You should really come in the summer instead and when you move in 2008 check out the leaves and such.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: cathleeninnh on October 14, 2006, 09:15:06 am
Gee I wonder if I should camp in the party area?

Wherever you camp will be the party area.

Except, you don't "camp", you "park". The subsequent "party area" is defined as: "wherever PatK is".


Wait a sec. PatK had a tent, which is more camping than what you did.

I am a bit of a camping snob.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Power Penguin on October 15, 2006, 09:36:40 pm
I will probably bring my single-man tent or a 2-3 man tent if I come with other people. I've survived the Sierra Nevadas in winter with no tent poles and tons of moisture, so I'm sure NH during the summer will be just fine. For the record, if you're backpacking, or even just car camping (panzies!), be sure to have one of those plastic/metallic emergency blankets. They won't make you comfortable, but they will save your life, and it got me though a very wet, very cold night, actually on a couple of occasions.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Pat K on October 15, 2006, 10:52:13 pm
Yes I am a panzie and a damn comfortable one at that.  ;D

Juse me and my shadow 100 quart cooler strolling down the trail.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: KBCraig on October 16, 2006, 02:47:29 am
Wait a sec. PatK had a tent, which is more camping than what you did.

I am a bit of a camping snob.

Cathleen

Preachin' to the choir, sister. But I had a choice: camp the way I like to camp (where a tent is a luxury), or camp with my family. Since I'm rather fond of snuggling with my beloved bride, I coughed up the bucks for a camper.

And, I have to admit, the heat, A/C, queen size bed, stove and refrigerator really don't suck.  ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 16, 2006, 07:30:20 am
For the record, if you're backpacking, or even just car camping (panzies!), be sure to have one of those plastic/metallic emergency blankets. They won't make you comfortable, but they will save your life, and it got me though a very wet, very cold night, actually on a couple of occasions.
In an emergency at porcfest .... you can always just walk to the nearest building. :)
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: lloydbob1 on October 16, 2006, 07:53:51 am
I will probably bring my single-man tent or a 2-3 man tent if I come with other people. I've survived the Sierra Nevadas in winter with no tent poles and tons of moisture, so I'm sure NH during the summer will be just fine. For the record, if you're backpacking, or even just car camping (panzies!), be sure to have one of those plastic/metallic emergency blankets. They won't make you comfortable, but they will save your life, and it got me though a very wet, very cold night, actually on a couple of occasions.

The first night I spent at Rogers in 2004, I was cold from below with my inflatable mattress.  I bought a disposable 'space blanket' and put it under my bottom sheet, so it would reflect my heat back at me.  Worked pretty well
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 16, 2006, 07:55:38 am
I thought PatK just stayed up all night .... and crawled into his cooler if it started raining.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: cathleeninnh on October 16, 2006, 10:53:28 am
Roger's camping is not great. It is like camping in the backyard with noisy neighbors. It was an inexpensive way to have fun with a bunch of friends. Tha's all I cared about.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 16, 2006, 01:11:05 pm
Roger's camping is not great. It is like camping in the backyard with noisy neighbors. It was an inexpensive way to have fun with a bunch of friends. Tha's all I cared about.

Gunstock's camping has a variety of options, from very private and wooded, to wooded lane, to open field.
Pricing is reasonable (not more than Roger's was) and we're working on a discount for early birds.
Facilities are much nicer in a number of ways, so for those with kids who need 'things to do' for example, we've got that covered.
For example, besides a minature golf, there are rentable bikes and skateboards, with a skate park and lots of trails, a pool and a lake, with fishing, kayaks, and swimming in the lake.   For adults, the pub will be open in the evening, there will be nightly movies, and a large firepit for nightly bonfires of liberty.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Friday on October 16, 2006, 01:23:36 pm
Gunstock's camping has a variety of options, from very private and wooded, to wooded lane, to open field.
Pricing is reasonable (not more than Roger's was) and we're working on a discount for early birds.
Facilities are much nicer in a number of ways, so for those with kids who need 'things to do' for example, we've got that covered.
For example, besides a minature golf, there are rentable bikes and skateboards, with a skate park and lots of trails, a pool and a lake, with fishing, kayaks, and swimming in the lake.   For adults, the pub will be open in the evening, there will be nightly movies, and a large firepit for nightly bonfires of liberty.

Gunstock sounds sweet!  :D

And add me to the list of spaceblanket aficionados.  Mine got me through a night lost, alone, off trail in the Inyo Mountains, wearing shorts, no food, sick as a dog and puking. Longest night of my life. Just turned myself into a human baked potato, curled up under a tree, and waited for it to end. Those things really work.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 16, 2006, 08:09:58 pm
at gunstock we also have an entire mountain to explore. 8)
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: KBCraig on October 17, 2006, 01:26:34 am
The first night I spent at Rogers in 2004, I was cold from below with my inflatable mattress.

Yeah, six inches of air and 40 mils of plastic has an R-factor of... wait, can the R-factor be negative?

I'm sure the space blanket worked great in a pinch. Personally, I like a little extra cushion, so I use sleeping bag pads on top of my air mattress.

Well... I did when used an air mattress in a tent or in the back of my truck. Now, I get up and adjust the thermostat. (Sorry, Cathleen!  ;D ) We do keep one of those "guest bed in a bag" air mattresses in our hall closet, though. It has a memory foam top, so it's warm to sleep on.

Kevin
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: KBCraig on October 17, 2006, 01:49:42 am
I was glad to host PatK and his roving party area at my camper during Shorty/PorcFest 2006. I'm just sad that we won't be repeating for 2007.  :( (Our 2007 plans are for a fall foliage tour. We can only make one trip a year as of now. Pray we hit the lottery!)

You should really come in the summer instead and when you move in 2008 check out the leaves and such.

Here's our logic: we briefly met a lot of people at Shorty/Porcfest '06, but didn't get to really hang out with and get to know a lot of them, other than PatK, Lloyd, the now-absent Roger Pemberton, and DC and his wife Candy. We met the Grants, the Kannings, Dawn & Bill, and Don & Cathleen long enough to know we'd like to hang out more to really get to know each other. We were trying to scout out Coös County (where we plan to move), meet folks as best we could, and enjoy a relaxing vacation at the same time.

If our trip next year isn't constrained by trying to get there in time to check in, trying to work in our touring around speakers and events, etc., etc., we'll probably be able to spend more face to face time with our future neighbors and FSP allies. We can drop in to for one of the many weekly Porc meetings, probably catch a meet-n-greet, or, at worst, call someone up and say, "Hey! We're in town, wanna meet up for dinner?"

Plus, we'll see more of NH, and less of a campground. I loved Roger's, Gunstock looks great, but NH is about towns.

Kevin
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: freedomroad on October 17, 2006, 01:55:30 am
You didn't get a lot of face to face time because you left before a lot of the parties happened :)
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 17, 2006, 09:09:24 am
If our trip next year isn't constrained by trying to get there in time to check in, trying to work in our touring around speakers and events, etc., etc.,
[snip]

Plus, we'll see more of NH, and less of a campground. I loved Roger's, Gunstock looks great, but NH is about towns.


Actually, you'll be glad to hear that PorcFest 2007 is specifically focused on touring.  Monday-Thursday will all be focused on off-site group tours, with a chartered bus.  This assumes, of course, that people sign up for the tours (minimal cost) ahead of time.  Right now, the (very) tentative plans include:

Keene area and Winchester including a mock town meeting
Seacoast: Dover + Portsmouth, with a seafood lunch
Concord: State House tour, town tour, and perhaps some surrounding areas as well.
Manchester and/or Nashua: to be determined

(one possible change is Concord+Manchester one day, Nashua the other day)

Ideas for places to go  things to see, are more than welcome, please msg me.

Smaller 'self-propelled day trips' will be 'on your own, here's a map' style for those who want something more 'touristy' or off the path, and don't care about that day's planned tour, including:
Conway shopping and White Mountains
Weirs Beach, Meredith and Lakes Region (nearby)
Hanover/Dartmouth (a bit of a drive)
Grafton+surrounding areas (middle of nowhere but popular)

Additionally, evening 'dinners' like Mount Washington boat ride + dinner (Weirs Beach), Hart's turkey farm dinner (Meredith), and perhaps others will be weekday dinner events for those who want a group dinnertime trip together instead of camp cooking.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: freedomroad on October 17, 2006, 09:33:05 am

Monday-Thursday will all be focused on off-site group tours, with a chartered bus. 

I am pretty sure there will also be some other off-site events during those days (besides touring) and also some events at the campground.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: cathleeninnh on October 17, 2006, 10:18:26 am
KB, while we will miss you at porcfest, it will be nice to get together another time. One where, presumably, you won't have a son itching to get back to civilization. The fun was just cranking up when you guys left. Mary's rash too.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 17, 2006, 12:11:03 pm

Monday-Thursday will all be focused on off-site group tours, with a chartered bus. 

I am pretty sure there will also be some other off-site events during those days (besides touring) and also some events at the campground.

George Bush will be torturing terrorists off-site.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 17, 2006, 01:30:22 pm

Monday-Thursday will all be focused on off-site group tours, with a chartered bus. 

I am pretty sure there will also be some other off-site events during those days (besides touring) and also some events at the campground.

Yes, the 'plan' calls something "physical" each morning and afternoon, like baseball, volleyball, etc... and something more 'meeting' focused, so those who don't go on any tours and just hang out at Gunstock can count on something to do regardless..  There will be hiking onsite as well.

Other off-site events will including things like shooting events (still to be planned. using nearby facilities), etc.  A Mount Liberty ascent trip, for example, is still expected to happen.

The schedule isn't nearly full or plotted out yet... ideas are always welcome, especially if you are volunteering to make it happen.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on October 17, 2006, 07:01:23 pm
[Other off-site events will including things like shooting events (still to be planned. using nearby facilities), etc. 
Sunrise Mountain club is in Canterbury right?
That is not too far away.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 17, 2006, 10:22:34 pm
[Other off-site events will including things like shooting events (still to be planned. using nearby facilities), etc. 
Sunrise Mountain club is in Canterbury right?
That is not too far away.

There are closer ones than that.  Belmont and Gilford both have places.  In fact, it's likely (if someone steps up to make it happen) that shooting events can happen every single day of PorcFest, in different locations every day if they wanted to check them out...

Archery is another option we could arrange.  Or video games (at http://www.funspotnh.com)... we could arrange a Porc Video game tournament even.
All depends on volunteers.  This means you... if you want to see it happen, step up and make it happen!

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: citizen_142002 on October 21, 2006, 11:34:39 pm
A couple areas of interest to me. Music, which I will help work on if there is interest among others of you. And the vendor situtation next year.
It's time to start dreaing about Porcfest time.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 22, 2006, 05:49:35 am
A couple areas of interest to me. Music, which I will help work on if there is interest among others of you.

There are plans for a stage, and plenty of interest.  Contact Nik and Rich to get involved.

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And the vendor situtation next year.

Rich has good plans for a great vendor setup on Saturday... a whole 'fair' of vendors, including Real Estate Agents, Jobs, and more

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It's time to start dreaming about Porcfest time.

Help make the dream happen!  Get involved today.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Rich Goldman on October 22, 2006, 09:25:54 am
A couple areas of interest to me. Music, which I will help work on if there is interest among others of you. And the vendor situtation next year.
It's time to start dreaing about Porcfest time.

Glad to hear.  If you want to get involved, please join the Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/porcfest2007/ .  Thanks.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Friday on October 22, 2006, 09:36:19 am
I am pretty sure there will also be some other off-site events during those days (besides touring) and also some events at the campground.

George Bush will be torturing terrorists off-site.

Is there an additional fee to attend this event?  :P
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 22, 2006, 12:37:40 pm
I am pretty sure there will also be some other off-site events during those days (besides touring) and also some events at the campground.

George Bush will be torturing terrorists off-site.

Is there an additional fee to attend this event?  :P

The price depends on whether you want to observe or participate.
Observation has a long term payment plan (little pieces of your liberty until it is all gone).
Participation prices vary depending on the part you want:  see http://freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm for details

Note:Those attending PorcFest are considered to have made a good downpayment towards Liberty in their Lifetime.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: freedomroad on October 22, 2006, 04:09:35 pm

...there will be nightly movies, and a large firepit for nightly bonfires of liberty.

That is great to hear.  I sure hope one of them is, http://freedomtofascism.com/downloads/dvd.html
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Rich Goldman on October 22, 2006, 05:16:29 pm
...there will be nightly movies, and a large firepit for nightly bonfires of liberty.

That is great to hear.  I sure hope one of them is, http://freedomtofascism.com/downloads/dvd.html

We're going to be wanting/needing someone to organize the movie list, licenses, and schedule.  Any volunteers?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on October 22, 2006, 05:47:33 pm
We're going to be wanting/needing someone to organize the movie list, licenses, and schedule.  Any volunteers?

At first, I thought you were kidding about licenses...

But a quick google found this... anyone who wants to claim that "copyright" can be done in a libertarian manner is invited to defend this (please start a new thread though NOT in PorcFest area...)  I proudly wear my copyleft symbol and arrgh, I'm a pirate (Sept 19th proved that).  I am strongly anti-intellectual property for JUST this sort of reason below.

If necessary, I'd be glad to embrace Russell's side of the fence and they can come and arrest me for running a NON-FSP sponsored outdoor movie having rented the dvds, paid for the outdoor screen rental, and popped the popcorn myself.  It's no unlicensed manicure, but I feel as strongly about it.

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Copyright and public performance regulations

Thank you for your interest in showing a movie on campus. This document has been designed to provide student groups with all of the necessary information to successfully program a movie.

Section 110 of the 1984 Copyright Act provides a specific exemption to the licensing of what is clearly a public performance: “face to face teaching.” To qualify for the exemption, the showing must occur in a face-to-face teaching situation at a non-profit educational institution and meet ALL of the following six criteria:

1. Performances and displays of audiovisual works must be made from legitimate copies, including pre-recorded videocassettes, NOT copies from legitimate copies, and NOT copies from broadcasts (for example, I can’t tape my favorite episode of “Law and Order” and make it available for a public showing).

2. Performances and displays must be part of a systematic course of instruction and not for entertainment, recreation, or cultural value of any part of the audience. The instructor must be able to show how the motion picture contributes to the overall course study and syllabus. The course does not have to be a credit course, but must be one recognized by the university and for which people register (for example, any showing must relate to an ongoing semester course).

3. Performances and displays must be given by the instructors or pupils, with no broadcasting from outside sources.

4. Performances and displays must be given in classrooms and other places devoted to instruction. The Student Center, residence hall lounge, cafeterias, and outdoor showings DO NOT QUALIFY. And a student organization cannot hold a showing in a classroom to get around this regulation because the showing isn’t part of an ongoing course for which people have registered.

5. Performances and displays must be a part of the teaching activities of non-profit educational institutions. Businesses that conduct educational seminars and some technical schools do not qualify.

6. Attendance is limited to the instructors, pupils, and guest lecturers. Only people registered for the class may attend the screening. No fee specific to the showing may be charged.

The bottom line: if your organization wants to show a film on campus for entertainment or recreation, you must pay the licensing fees associated with the film.

If you do decide to go forward with a movie, public performance or display:
After you have selected the movie that you would like to view as part of a program, your first step is to purchase a public viewing license ($300.00 - $500.00) and rights to show the film in public, which is a public performance fee ($300.00 - $500.00). Even if you choose to show the movie for free, you are still required to purchase the copyrights. Federal copyright Laws protect all movies viewed in public areas regardless of format (35 mm, video tape or DVD). Video Tapes and DVDs that are available for purchase, rented from many commercial establishments, or checked out of the library are for home viewing purposes only.
Which means they can only be viewed in your private living spaces.

What the Law Says
The present copyright law establishes the principal that a copyright is property and no one can use someone else's property without permission of the owner or the owner's licensing agent. To protect this property right, the law gives the copyright owner the right to license any public performance of the work with only a few exceptions to this provision. The law also permits the owner or licensing agent to collect a fee when others use the protected work. It is because of copyright enforcement efforts that schools are now hearing of their obligations under the law.

By law, as well as by intent, the pre-recorded home videocassettes and videodiscs which are available in stores throughout the United States are for home use only - unless you have a license to show them elsewhere. The Federal Copyright Act (Title 17 of the United States Code) governs how copyrighted materials, such as movies, may be used. Neither the rental nor purchase of a videocassette carries with it the right to show the tape outside of the home. No license is required to view a videotape inside the home by a family or social acquaintances, and home videocassettes may also be shown, without a license, in certain narrowly defined face-to-face teaching activities (Federal Copyright Act, Title 17, section 110.1). All other showings of the home videocassettes are illegal unless they have been authorized by license .

Taverns, restaurants, private clubs, prisons, lodges, factories, summer camps, public libraries, day-care facilities, parks and recreation departments, churches, and non-classroom use at schools and universities are all examples of situations where a public performance license must be obtained. This legal requirement applies regardless of whether an admission fee is charged, whether the institution or organization is commercial or non-profit, or whether a federal or state agency is involved.

Businesses, institutions, organizations, companies or individuals wishing to engage in non-home showings of home videocassettes must secure licenses to do so - regardless of whether an admission or other fee is charged (Section 501).

This legal requirement applies equally to profit-making organizations and non-profit institutions (Senate Report No. 94-473, page 59; House Report No. 94-1476, page 62).

Penalties for Copyright Infringement

"Willful" infringement done for purposes of commercial or financial gain is a federal crime and is punishable as a felony, carrying a maximum sentence of up to five years in jail and/or a $150,000 fine. Even inadvertent infringers are subject to substantial civil damages, ranging from $500 to $20,000 for each illegal showing.

Face-to-Face Teaching
The face-to-face teaching exemption is valid only in situations where a teacher is present in a classroom, using a home videocassette for the purpose of teaching to students in a so-called "face-to-face" manner. This educational exemption is narrowly defined and only applies to full-time, nonprofit academic institutions.

Why Is Hollywood Concerned About Such Performances?
The concept of "public performance" is central to copyright and the issue of protection for "intellectual property." If a movie producer, an author, a computer programmer, or a musician does not retain ownership of his or her "work", there would be little incentive for them to continue. There would be little chance of recouping their enormous investment in research and development, much less profits to turn back into future endeavors.

Unauthorized public performances in the U.S. are estimated to rob the movie industry of between $1.5-$2.0 million each year alone. Unfortunately, unauthorized public performances are just the tip of the iceberg. The movie studios lose over $150 million annually due to pirated videotapes and several hundred million more dollars because of illegal satellite and cable TV receptions.

Motion Picture Association: http://www.mpaa.org/
United States Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.gov/
Library: http://www.movlic.com/library/faq/faq.html
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dawn on October 24, 2006, 08:34:23 pm
Any updates available? First question - what are the dates?? Or at least the dates that are being looked at?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Rich Goldman on October 24, 2006, 10:05:19 pm
Any updates available? First question - what are the dates?? Or at least the dates that are being looked at?

June 18-24.  It's just not public/advertised/official yet because the contract hasn't been signed.  I'm going to ping Gunstock on the status of the contract tomorrow.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on November 20, 2006, 12:11:48 pm
Any updates available? First question - what are the dates?? Or at least the dates that are being looked at?

June 18-24.  It's just not public/advertised/official yet because the contract hasn't been signed.  I'm going to ping Gunstock on the status of the contract tomorrow.
Any news?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 20, 2006, 09:55:54 pm
I am planning on it ... even if not official.

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on November 20, 2006, 11:08:10 pm
I am planning on it ... even if not official.


You are planning on news?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: KBCraig on November 24, 2006, 02:27:30 am
I am planning on it ... even if not official.

ShortyFest, Part 2!
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on December 06, 2006, 12:47:52 pm
Any updates available? First question - what are the dates?? Or at least the dates that are being looked at?

June 18-24.  It's just not public/advertised/official yet because the contract hasn't been signed.  I'm going to ping Gunstock on the status of the contract tomorrow.
Any news?
/bump
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 06, 2006, 09:12:26 pm
That bump was unofficial, so I cannot comment on it at this time.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 06, 2006, 10:28:04 pm
That bump was unofficial, so I cannot comment on it at this time.

Darn you Russell, and your darn secretive nature.  Goes to show you that power corrupts, as even Russell is now sounding like a politician.
 ::)

(BTW, Rich should have some good news shortly... as I understand it, it's not his fault for the delay.)
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on December 14, 2006, 12:28:07 pm
I head rumors that PorcFest will now be held in Winchester, NH not too far from the center of the nonviolent Revolution-- Keene NH.

Make your plans now!
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 14, 2006, 03:34:50 pm
I head rumors that PorcFest will now be held in Winchester, NH not too far from the center of the nonviolent Revolution-- Keene NH.

Make your plans now!

Hey stop that!

It will not.

Rich is working hard, and news will be announced shortly...  Nobody likes the delay, least of all Rich.
 
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2006, 11:01:22 am
June 18-24
It is happening folks.

I keep running into people who ask, "when is porcfest?"

It is June 18-24 at Gunstock.

Make your reservations.

We will have nightly bonfires.
... a special place for partiers
... a great building to meet in on Saturday.
... a pub open each night.
... lots of room for tenting and rvs in the woods
... a mountain to climb/bike up
... liberty lovers to meet/hang out with.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 17, 2006, 11:02:34 am
Which day should we have the Winchester, NH town meeting on?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 17, 2006, 11:35:30 am
Which day should we have the Winchester, NH town meeting on?

I have to get some bus quotes, but I'm thinking to start furthest from Gunstock (which would be Keene, Winchester, etc) on the Monday, which would allow some folks who are local there who don't want to drive up Sunday to camp that night, then come back on Monday, to spend the night/day closer to home, and then come up to Gunstock on Monday afternoon-evening.

Then the next day would be southern NH (Nashua and Manchester?)
Then Seacoast (Portsmouth/Dover)
and finally Concord/etc on Thursday

This is just an idea, and not a final schedule by any means.


Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Otosan on December 17, 2006, 02:04:53 pm
and the $$$ is?   ???

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: error on December 18, 2006, 04:19:16 am
I have to get some bus quotes, but I'm thinking to start furthest from Gunstock (which would be Keene, Winchester, etc) on the Monday, which would allow some folks who are local there who don't want to drive up Sunday to camp that night, then come back on Monday, to spend the night/day closer to home, and then come up to Gunstock on Monday afternoon-evening.

Then the next day would be southern NH (Nashua and Manchester?)
Then Seacoast (Portsmouth/Dover)
and finally Concord/etc on Thursday

An actual Free State Project bus? And all this time I thought it was a metaphor!
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 18, 2006, 09:11:28 am
An actual Free State Project bus? And all this time I thought it was a metaphor!

There will be a real Free State Project bus, yes.  Metaphor come to life!
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 18, 2006, 09:16:45 am
and the $$$ is?   ???

The $$$ for what?

$50 suggested donation for PorcFest itself... if you can't afford that, pay what you can, nobody will be turned away from Registration

Camping rates: the Gunstock website was updated, and doesn't list camping rates right now.  It was comparable to Rogers and if anything slightly cheaper.  We'll have exact numbers soon, including whatever discount we arrange.  With campsite sharing, I expect the rate will quite low for those who need a cheap site for the week.

Friday Night BBQ dinner: Not set yet, but I expect it'll be $10

Bus rides to various touring areas: not set yet.  Tickets will be sold in advance.

Anything else?




Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: error on December 18, 2006, 11:15:04 am
That bus will come in handy, too. I'm one of the few lunatics moving to NH this spring without a car!
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Rich Goldman on December 18, 2006, 12:36:00 pm
The "summer" gunstock homepage with info is available at http://summer.gunstock.com/ .

If you'd like to stay up-to-date on PF developments and add your input, please join the PF 07 Yahoo Group:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/porcfest2007/

The PF 07 website will be up with registration and schedule information mid-January.  A basic page with the date and location will be posted either later today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on December 18, 2006, 12:42:13 pm
So Pfest will cost money this year?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Rich Goldman on December 18, 2006, 01:16:48 pm
If anything, it would be a suggested donation and the amount will be based on our final costs. 

When we were still planning to use (and thought we needed) a certain facility which was going to be quite expensive ($2000) this was one of the options that was discussed and I approved.  At this point though, I don't think we'll need that facility. 

Dreepa, if you want to continue this conversation, please respect the decision I made to consolidate business related questions/issues to a single location: the yahoo group.  You raise good questions and I appreciate it, but I dont' check the forum very often and your posts and our discussion is not seen (at all or in a timely manner) by those on the yahoo group and vice versa.  The FSP Forum is designed for general purpose discussion about PF, such as meet ups, reservation questions, stories, etc.  Questions about policies, updates, speakers, and other implementation details I have requested be done on the yahoo group.  I don't think this is too much to ask :-)  Is it?
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dawn on December 18, 2006, 01:53:28 pm
Questions about policies, updates, speakers, and other implementation details I have requested be done on the yahoo group.  I don't think this is too much to ask :-)  Is it?

I have no desire to join another yahoo group, especially since I do not want to be part of the planning process. But, I do want to know what's going on and the info doesn't seem to be readily available on the FSP site.

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 18, 2006, 01:59:05 pm
But, I do want to know what's going on and the info doesn't seem to be readily available on the FSP site.

It will be soon.  Rich was waiting for things to finalize before doing the website updates.  Volunteers to update the porcfest website pages are wanted as well.
Easy to do, and can be done from anyplace, (ie not in NH).  Rich is doing it right now.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: jeanius on December 18, 2006, 04:50:37 pm
I agree with Dawn.  I can't imagine stopping conversation by those of us not on the volunteer team for the Festival.

For the record, I think it is a bad idea to charge or even have a suggested donation for the Festival.  The Festival has always been a way for people to check out New Hampshire, relax, get to know other porcupines, etc.  I would argue for not using whatever facility is so expensive and keeping it open and free.  Even a donation request will turn some people off.   

Also, in juxtiposition to the Liberty Forum, which does require payment, it is a little off putting.

Jean
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 18, 2006, 06:03:09 pm
I would argue for not using whatever facility is so expensive and keeping it open and free.

Your opinion was duly noted sometime last year, when you decided to do it elsewhere, when you were in charge.
Perhaps, instead of telling Rich why he's doing it all wrong this time, you can be more productive elsewhere.

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: jeanius on December 18, 2006, 06:17:51 pm
I have never been in charge of the Porc Fest.  I was Kate's 2nd for 2006 but I had no decision making authority except for the silent auction which I did the two years we've had it so far.  I was there to support and assist Kate.

I believe charging for the Festival is a bad idea.  I feel strongly about this.  And anything beyond a few cans labeled "donation" will be a turn off to some.  The Festival has always been a way to get people to come to New Hampshire, check it out, check out other participants, etc.  I consider it a loss leader for the FSP.  It's a way for people with budget constraints to check out the state and prepare to move, without killing their wallets.  This of people who are already spending quite a bit just to get there.

There are other things I've heard about this year's (2007) Festival that I disagree with.  But they won't stop people from coming.  So, I only mention this because I consider it a "big thing".  Don't dismiss the opinion.  It may actually have some merit.

Jean

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 18, 2006, 06:49:53 pm
If anything, it would be a suggested donation and the amount will be based on our final costs. 

When we were still planning to use (and thought we needed) a certain facility which was going to be quite expensive ($2000) this was one of the options that was discussed and I approved.  At this point though, I don't think we'll need that facility. 

Dreepa, if you want to continue this conversation, please respect the decision I made to consolidate business related questions/issues to a single location: the yahoo group.  You raise good questions and I appreciate it, but I dont' check the forum very often and your posts and our discussion is not seen (at all or in a timely manner) by those on the yahoo group and vice versa.  The FSP Forum is designed for general purpose discussion about PF, such as meet ups, reservation questions, stories, etc.  Questions about policies, updates, speakers, and other implementation details I have requested be done on the yahoo group.  I don't think this is too much to ask :-)  Is it?

But this is the "Its Gunstock' topic area!   I didn't know about the fee.  I didn't see it anywhere else.  I was beginning to change my mind.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: lloydbob1 on December 18, 2006, 06:53:46 pm
I would argue for not using whatever facility is so expensive and keeping it open and free.

Your opinion was duly noted sometime last year, when you decided to do it elsewhere, when you were in charge.
Perhaps, instead of telling Rich why he's doing it all wrong this time, you can be more productive elsewhere.



Jean is too nice to say it Seth, but, I'm not.  Stick it! 
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on December 18, 2006, 08:27:49 pm

Dreepa, if you want to continue this conversation, please respect the decision I made to consolidate business related questions/issues to a single location: the yahoo group.  You raise good questions and I appreciate it, but I dont' check the forum very often and your posts and our discussion is not seen (at all or in a timely manner) by those on the yahoo group and vice versa.  The FSP Forum is designed for general purpose discussion about PF, such as meet ups, reservation questions, stories, etc.  Questions about policies, updates, speakers, and other implementation details I have requested be done on the yahoo group.  I don't think this is too much to ask :-)  Is it?
Yes....

Dawn and Jean said what I have to say.

I will ask no more questions.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Rich Goldman on December 18, 2006, 08:55:35 pm
Your concerns about having a suggested donation are recognized. 

Dreepa, if you are interpreting what I'm saying as being upset that you're asking questions, you are misinterpreting what I am saying.  I appreciate everyone's input and people questioning what I'm doing.  It keeps me on my toes and helps prevent me from making (obviously) stupid blunders.  My only point is that I do not want to have two parallel forums for business.  Seth has been picking up my/the slack since he monitors both the forum and the yahoo group, and answers questions on the forum, and I appreciate that. 

It's obviously your choice whether to join the yahoo group, but if you choose to continue to post business related questions and comments on the forum, then please understand that any response from me is going to be delayed.  (I'm saying this as a neutral fact, this is not intended to be taken negatively). 

This said, the draft of the base site for PF is available at http://www.freestateproject.org/pf07 .  Please send feedback to rgoldman@freestateproject.org .  Thanks.
   -Rich

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 18, 2006, 10:35:42 pm
I have never been in charge of the Porc Fest.  I was Kate's 2nd for 2006 but I had no decision making authority except for the silent auction
which I did the two years we've had it so far.  I was there to support and assist Kate.

If you insist on making me call you a liar, so be it.  2 people went around and looked at locations: you and Kate.  Yes, Kate might have had the final say, but you were the only other person who was at the various locations, scouting them out.  You and Kate, and solely you and Kate, chose NOT to pursue using Gunstock,  just as Rich, Russell, Varrin and I went to Gunstock this year and loved the place and decided it was worth the expense.

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There are other things I've heard about this year's (2007) Festival that I disagree with.

Nothing like the rumor mill and negative comments like that to harm the cause, Jean, since you admit you aren't in the loop otherwise, so of course, all you do with remarks like that is undermine Rich's efforts.  Good FSP teamwork!

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Don't dismiss the opinion.  It may actually have some merit.

And it may not.

And unlike Rich, but like Lloyd, I'll be glad to say 'stick it!'
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: freedomroad on December 19, 2006, 02:46:12 am
and the $$$ is?   ???

Not sure what you are asking.  I did notice that the Guntock website lists a $5 day fee for noncampers.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: "Hagrid" on December 19, 2006, 05:43:21 am
and the $$$ is?   ???

Not sure what you are asking.  I did notice that the Guntock website lists a $5 day fee for noncampers.

No, that will not apply to PorcFest, so ignore it.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Dreepa on December 19, 2006, 08:15:41 am

Dreepa, if you are interpreting what I'm saying as being upset that you're asking questions, you are misinterpreting what I am saying.  I appreciate everyone's input and people questioning what I'm doing.  It keeps me on my toes and helps prevent me from making (obviously) stupid blunders.  My only point is that I do not want to have two parallel forums for business.  Seth has been picking up my/the slack since he monitors both the forum and the yahoo group, and answers questions on the forum, and I appreciate that. 


No
 simply don't want to join another yahoo group as I posted earlier and as Dawn just posted. However as you are running it it can be done your way.

I think pfest should be free as Jean stated.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 19, 2006, 09:57:00 am
Porcfest is free to visit. People can donate money to help the FSP. :)

If you have ever wanted to watch porcupines spar in person .... then come to Porcfest 2007 ... for those that love libertarian debates. >:D


I was looking at my Gunstock brochure today thinking about which campsite (maybe 225) we want next year. I need to save my pennies and put in our reservation when we have the dough.  8)

One of the lakes area brochures has a picture of Lake Winn.... and I think it was taken from Gunstock.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 19, 2006, 10:41:33 am
I wonder if we could get a special Porcfest page on the Gunstock site just like the Soulfest group. 8)
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 14, 2007, 07:01:15 am
Here is the latest version of the Porcfest2007 page:
http://www.freestateproject.org/festival/

Rich has also added an activity calendar. If you have an activity that needs to be added, let us know.
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: KBCraig on January 15, 2007, 03:58:43 am
Here is the latest version of the Porcfest2007 page:
http://www.freestateproject.org/festival/

He must be working on it. The link is dead.

Russell, many thanks to you and the other volunteers who have busted your butts making PF'07 happen.

Kevin
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 15, 2007, 07:59:46 am
Here is the latest version of the Porcfest2007 page:
http://www.freestateproject.org/festival/

He must be working on it. The link is dead.

Russell, many thanks to you and the other volunteers who have busted your butts making PF'07 happen.

Kevin
I haven't really done anything. I think the other guys have done some to get things going. The real fun/work is just beginning.

Anyone with ideas or offers of help .... come join us. Post ideas in this forum and join our yahoo list (I know, I know .... you don't want to join another yahoo list ..... but that is how Rich is doing it this year). It is going to be great this year. :)
Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 02, 2007, 11:43:11 am
Travel Directions
From I 93N-Take exit 20 in Tilton, NH. Turn left on Rte. 3N. Travel along Rte. 3N for about 10 minutes. Bear right onto the Laconia By-Pass (just past the Belknap Mall) which connects with Rte.11A in Gilford. Follow brown signs to Gunstock Recreation Area.

Title: Re: Its Gunstock
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 07, 2007, 06:06:39 pm
I have not picked out our campsite yet, but we are probably choosing "Lakeside" near the pond and buildings.