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Title: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 23, 2005, 07:46:59 am
... but spouse has a job/career they don't want to leave behind?

I had just spent a year convincing my husband to move our family to New Hampshire and we'd made a pact that if he didn't get the promotion he'd been working towards before December of 2005, he'd be more than willing to join the Free State Project.  I began working on the details of finding the best area for our family.

Well, he got the promotion.  Although I'm so happy he got what he wanted, another part of me is really crushed that we won't be moving to New Hampshire. 

I'd even been researching real estate in New Hampshire and it was looking so promising.  His plan was to start his own business there. 

I was thinking last night that I can't be the only person in a marriage who is having a struggle with wanting to join the Free State Project but also wanting to honor and respect their spouse's goals and non-political aspirations. 

My goal now is to just continue to support and spread the word about the Free State Project, get as many people as I can to sign up for it (got a few to do that over the last year), and stop government from getting any bigger (through voting) than it already is in the state we'll be staying in for at least the next decade (Massachusetts.)

How does everyone going through this type of situation cope with the mixture of feelings about it?  I know for myself personally, it was the strangest combination of happiness and sadness the day my husband got word he was getting the promotion.  He sounded so excited and his face was all lit up with proud and deserved glow.  I was torn between being so happy for him, knowing how hard he'd worked towards it, and also letting go of my own dreams of seeing him achieve even greater things running his own business in New Hampshire (he is so capable of it, but not much of a risk taker.)  I so much wanted our family to be a part of the Free State Project... but I had to let it go, because the promotion was part of the deal, and the deal had been met. 

I'm wondering how many other families are going through this.  Gotta be a few out there.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: cathleeninnh on May 23, 2005, 12:28:24 pm
You made the deal, but maybe it wasn't the best deal. I am sorry you are feeling so let down. I know I would have felt the same. We all want to look forward with a positive attitude and put our family in the best possible position. Maybe a new deal is in order that will take advantage of his career success and still get you to the free state. Save his salary increase for the future. Hopefully your husband feels that liberty is a worthy goal. If not, you have a bigger problem to deal with.

I know that I was itching to get here and knew that turning points present themselves pretty regularly in life. I waited and sooner rather than later, it came and here we are.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: punkrawk on May 23, 2005, 12:39:24 pm
Same boat here, although there is some light at the end of the tunnel.  My wife is reticent to leave our hometown because all of our family is here.  I'm talking aunts and uncles, our parents, neices and nephews, etc.  Originally I made it my mission to convert as many of them as possible to the cause, but that hasn't been going well.  I've switched tactics and am now pushing for a two year stint in the free state.  My wife is going to apply for a graduate program at Boston University, so this may work out.

In the meantime, there is so much you can do to promote the FSP from a distance.  First off you can contribute money to the numerous causes in NH that FSP'ers are supporting, and you can contribute money to the FSP itself.  You can also go online and post information about the FSP to various forums and websites, see Dada's thread for more info.  Most importantly, you can join or start a local group and promote the FSP in your hometown.  Recruitement is a huge part of the success of this project, and with so many of the activists already moving, the people who haven't moved yet need to be that much more active.

New Hampshire will be the free state in 10 years, and it will still be the free state in 20 years.  Sure it would be nice to move now, but you can play a vital role for the cause of liberty in New Hampshire, and in America, by working for the FSP wherever you are.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: FreeBoB on May 23, 2005, 04:19:04 pm
As we all know, things change.  As difficult as changes can be, my suggestion is to accept it and move on.  This is not a short-term project and who knows what will happen or what you and your husband will create in the future...

Your acceptance of this change will open more doors for you than you can imagine!   8)

Brian

Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: KBCraig on May 23, 2005, 05:57:40 pm
In our case, I am the spouse whose career is in the way. My wife can set up shop as a dog groomer in almost any community, but we're waiting on my employer to open a facility in the northern part of the state. As of now, there's some question whether they will open it or cancel it.

I could transfer right now to a Massachussetts facility and commute, but I really don't want to pay Mass. income tax, and housing prices near the border are too high for us. We really want to be in Coos county.

Kevin
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 23, 2005, 08:26:50 pm
You made the deal, but maybe it wasn't the best deal. I am sorry you are feeling so let down. I know I would have felt the same. We all want to look forward with a positive attitude and put our family in the best possible position. Maybe a new deal is in order that will take advantage of his career success and still get you to the free state. Save his salary increase for the future. Hopefully your husband feels that liberty is a worthy goal. If not, you have a bigger problem to deal with.

I know that I was itching to get here and knew that turning points present themselves pretty regularly in life. I waited and sooner rather than later, it came and here we are.

Cathleen

He has promised already that if he finds himself unsatisfied with the job promotion he will consider the move to New Hampshire.  He is very aware of how much it means to me personally, and he agrees with New Hampshire being a better place to raise a family, and also a safer place to be for freedom and liberty (it wasn't hard to convince him of that, the statistics and facts online that I printed out and showed him pretty much did the convincing for me.)

He's just not political, but is one of the most logical and centered men I ever met.  I was only semi-political when he and I met over a dozen years ago.  The past nine years have seen a steady yearly increase of my personal leanings towards being more political.  I'm betting I'm not alone in this kind of scenerio, either... one spouse who is very political, one who is not.  One who feels politics are best ignored, the other who wants to do something to change the course of things.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 23, 2005, 08:40:01 pm
Same boat here, although there is some light at the end of the tunnel.  My wife is reticent to leave our hometown because all of our family is here.  I'm talking aunts and uncles, our parents, neices and nephews, etc.  Originally I made it my mission to convert as many of them as possible to the cause, but that hasn't been going well.  I've switched tactics and am now pushing for a two year stint in the free state.  My wife is going to apply for a graduate program at Boston University, so this may work out.

In the meantime, there is so much you can do to promote the FSP from a distance.  First off you can contribute money to the numerous causes in NH that FSP'ers are supporting, and you can contribute money to the FSP itself.  You can also go online and post information about the FSP to various forums and websites, see Dada's thread for more info.  Most importantly, you can join or start a local group and promote the FSP in your hometown.  Recruitement is a huge part of the success of this project, and with so many of the activists already moving, the people who haven't moved yet need to be that much more active.

New Hampshire will be the free state in 10 years, and it will still be the free state in 20 years.  Sure it would be nice to move now, but you can play a vital role for the cause of liberty in New Hampshire, and in America, by working for the FSP wherever you are.

Family was one of the easier parts for me to convince him with, as New Hampshire and Massachusetts are so close to each other and we drive an hour's drive once a week anyways to visit family members (parents, cousins, etc.) Plus, I'd pretty much convinced my father to consider a move with us, as he is a Libertarian. 

I've been doing most of those things you mentioned, and actually just did a little research last week to see if any active Libertarian groups existed in my area (Cape Cod).  Found some Libertarians, but most of their activity is online... I'm hoping to get them all together for a meeting of the minds kind of thing, to meet offline and come up with ways we spread the information about the FSP and Libertarianism.  I will make sure each of them is aware of the FSP (some Libertarians still aren't aware of the project, believe it or not!)  If I can get a few of them to consider the move, the stronger the FSP will be for any eventual move our family makes... I do still have a quiet hope inside that at some point we'll be a part of it, but I so strongly wanted to be a part of this beginning part. 

That is a great idea to do a two year stint... makes it like a trial run for the spouse who "isn't so sure."  I hope that all goes well for both of you.   
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 23, 2005, 08:44:53 pm
As we all know, things change.  As difficult as changes can be, my suggestion is to accept it and move on.  This is not a short-term project and who knows what will happen or what you and your husband will create in the future...

Your acceptance of this change will open more doors for you than you can imagine!   8)

Brian



There wasn't any other logical choice but to accept it as it was the reality for right now... but, like everybody keeps saying, down the road a piece many things can happen.  Still... ya know, that part of ya that hears about something like this and researches it and studies it and learns more and more about it, hitting that 100% in support of mark, and then approaching a spouse with something they never thought you'd ask them ... "babe, I know this is way outta left field, but can we move to New Hampshire?"

His first two facial expressions after I asked:   :o  ??? 
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 23, 2005, 08:52:07 pm
In our case, I am the spouse whose career is in the way. My wife can set up shop as a dog groomer in almost any community, but we're waiting on my employer to open a facility in the northern part of the state. As of now, there's some question whether they will open it or cancel it.

I could transfer right now to a Massachussetts facility and commute, but I really don't want to pay Mass. income tax, and housing prices near the border are too high for us. We really want to be in Coos county.

Kevin


I'm sure you already did this, but just in case... scout out areas/business places that could accomodate your work's business?  Sometimes they need just a little nudge like an email of a prime spot for the business to be in.  We've been considering doing that, too... with my husband's promotion, if he ends up liking the job, to suggest to the owner of the company an expansion to New Hampshire, and my husband could literally scout the places for the stores, supervise each store, etc.  That's not something we would do until a few years went by with my husband continuing to show his value as an employee.  But if you're in a place of business that would be open to that kind of suggestion right now, do the eye and leg work for them in finding the ultimate spot for them to have as a location.  We know that the company my husband works in is already maxed out with new locations they are just getting together... once those are established, it is on the back burner to suggest NH.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: FTL_Ian on May 24, 2005, 11:56:02 am
This may be a little harsh, but I think it should be said:

Which is more important:  Your husband or your freedom?

Which is more important to him:  You or his job?

If you told him you were going to NH in 5 years, what would he say or do?
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 24, 2005, 02:33:50 pm
This may be a little harsh, but I think it should be said:

Which is more important:  Your husband or your freedom?

Which is more important to him:  You or his job?

If you told him you were going to NH in 5 years, what would he say or do?

That wasn't harsh at all, in fact it made me smile... I've asked myself those questions.  :) 

Dunno if you've read Atlas Shrugged (I always assume most Libertarians have, but some haven't), but remember that part of the book when Hank signs over his company rather than out his affair with Dagny?  I remember getting so pissed at Hank for that... how could he do that?   Here he was, caving in, just over the love of a woman?  It's not as if Dagny couldn't handle the truth being out there, she could have, he just didn't want her to have to go through it.  The strongest woman he knew, in his mind, was vulnerable to what they were threatening to do.  So, he did what he felt would best protect her. 

I'm in that same boat now iin other terms, with my husband.  I know my husband could handle a move to New Hampshire.  I know if I demanded we go, he'd do it, but I love him enough to want him to be able to make that kind of choice, to take that kind of self-perceived risk with himself and his abilities, on his own mind... because I want him to be responsible for it, not me.  The only way he could succeed is if he was making the decision, 100%, because he felt it was the right thing for HIM, not just me.  I'm going to let him decide what he can handle and what he can't handle. 

There's also a lot of other things too detailed to get into... but one of them I will touch base on briefly.  My husband's job and the person who owns the company is one of the best things that happened to our family.  The company is well run, well established, and a joy to work for (I work for my husband part time, he works full time.)  It's not often that people nowadays can say the head of a company they work for is a man of character, full of fairness and business sense that is so Libertarian it is at times astounding.  But that is exactly the kind of company it is... one it actually feels good to work for. 

I have my freedom no matter where I am... my choice, which is to not leave for New Hampshire until my husband is *ready*, is actually a display of my freedom.  My continuing support of the FSP is and will be my main focus in the years to come no matter the outcome of where our family stays. 

Because if the FSP does as good as I think it has potential to do, 30 or 40 years down the road, your project very well may need more land to fit all the FSPers and Libertarians in it, and Massachusetts will hopefully be part of that chunk of states that becomes the United States of FSP.  ;)

Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: "Hagrid" on May 24, 2005, 05:10:00 pm
Perhaps this Libertarian-ish business owner will consider opening a branch in NH...
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on May 24, 2005, 07:31:09 pm
Perhaps this Libertarian-ish business owner will consider opening a branch in NH...

He's in the process of expanding out locally, so we know right now wouldn't be the best/right time to approach him with an idea like that.  It will take at least a few years until we could suggest it.  If his business plan follows the course, he most likely will expand up to Boston before he considered an expansion to NH. 
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Mark in OC on July 12, 2005, 01:36:38 pm
I am married with 2 kids, 1 in 10th grade the other in 5th.  Will have to wait for both to graduate, as they are heavily involved in Water Polo and I not sure if NH has much of a Water Polo program.  Also, what's the job opps for someone in Video Production?
I work as an Editor / Post Production Technical Supervisor and also do video replay for the Lakers, (a very cool job indeed!)  I'm guessing the opportunities might be more limited in NH, no?
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Jennie89 on July 12, 2005, 01:44:19 pm
Re: Water polo. Do a Google search for "New Hampshire" and "water polo", and quite a few hits come up. Looks like Dartmouth College has a sophisticated water polo program. They may also know what the local feeder high schools are for water polo. Dover, NH was in the news for water polo a couple months back, but I don't know enough about the sport to speak intelligently on it. But I can tell you that yes, water polo is taken seriously in NH.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Mark in OC on July 12, 2005, 01:49:56 pm
Wow, thanks
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: pcwallis on July 12, 2005, 01:51:26 pm
Yes both my wife and I are looking at all options about the move to New Hampshire.
Phil Wallis
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Jennie89 on July 12, 2005, 02:01:11 pm
MarkOC, no problem, anytime :D

Sorry I missed this comment of yours: I work as an Editor / Post Production Technical Supervisor and also do video replay for the Lakers, (a very cool job indeed!)  I'm guessing the opportunities might be more limited in NH, no?

Wow. That job does sound way cool. I'm not in NH myself, but I am in New England. It's true that NH doesn't have any professional sports teams comparable to the Lakers, and your opportunties for big league work would be less. However, it's also true that southern NH is commuting distance to Boston. While the Celtics have been lackluster, there is renewed enthusiasim about pro sports in New England, what with the Sox winning and the Patriots with their Superbowl wins.

/I don't follow sports much, so I could be mistaken about the sports market
//not mistaken about NH being commuting distance to Boston
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Mark in OC on July 12, 2005, 02:17:27 pm
I wonder what the traffic is like to Boston.  Only 50 miles?  My drive currently is 63 miles one-way.  We're talking 3hrs drive time each day.  I'd go crazy w/o my iPod, Audible.com and FTL on podcasting.  Of course it would just be like driving in LA, unarmed and leaving my freedon at the NH border.  :'(  That would almost defeat the purpose for going there, except for the weekends and the snow in the winter!
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: JackMan on July 12, 2005, 02:59:22 pm
I wonder what the traffic is like to Boston.  Only 50 miles?  My drive currently is 63 miles one-way.  We're talking 3hrs drive time each day.  I'd go crazy w/o my iPod, Audible.com and FTL on podcasting.  Of course it would just be like driving in LA, unarmed and leaving my freedon at the NH border.  :'(  That would almost defeat the purpose for going there, except for the weekends and the snow in the winter!

I hope I'm not beating this drum too much, but the train from Exeter, NH to downtown Boston takes only 1:10 each way, and they supposedly have power outlets next to each seat for laptops.  Monthly pass is $170 (monthly parking in Boston is much more expensive).  I fully intend to commute to Boston this way, just haven't figured out where in the seacoast I want to set up.  If the seacoast is too expensive, Epping and Raymond are one or two exits down the highway west of Exeter and are somewhat cheaper (first thing you see when you take the Epping exit is New England Dragway - I may stop in for a couple runs next time I go scouting). 
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: cathleeninnh on July 13, 2005, 08:26:26 am
Let me jump in with some first hand experience. Uprooting is a challenge and places stress on all marraiges. We don't have children at home and were "downsized" at work, so moving wasn't a difficult decision. We have been in NH over a year now and can say that it has been very difficult but worthwhile.

Water polo for the kids wouldn't have kept us away. Even prior knowledge of job, housing, and the financial difficulties we have experienced wouldn't have kept us away. We felt that the prospects available to us outside of NH couldn't compare to the freedom loving, action oriented, and optimistic environment that already exist in NH. We suspected it was a better environment for us and were blown away by the actuality. Far better than even expected. If your prospects are really good on all fronts where you are, why are you tempted by the FSP?

After 15 months looking for work in his area of IT expertise and only working temp jobs out of desperation, my husband has found work in northern MA at 38% less than his previous salary. We are ecstatic. It is a living wage and more for us as we are simple livers.

Driving to Boston isn't tough (an hour or so from many NH towns). It is driving in Boston and parking that is a killer. Lots of construction, roads that don't go through, one way streets, detours. Even good directions don't help much. One hour and a half interview cost us $17 in parking at a garage and we felt lucky to find it. I don't know what contract rates are.

Gasoline going up is a concern. $2.33/gal yesterday. Don currently drives 30 miles or so one way. His worst day, it took 49 minutes. His best days are 35 minutes. Next week we are moving 10 miles or so closer.

Moving to NH was the best thing we have ever done. It wasn't easy, though.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Jerry on July 19, 2005, 04:45:37 pm
>... but spouse has a job/career they don't want to leave behind?

I'm in a similar position with a spouse who is tied to a state medical license that is nearly impossible to transfer to New Hampshire.  Which is why I am currently registered as a "friend" of the FSP and not a "member". 

So my plan is to get her to fall in love with New Hampshire so she will have the incentive to expedite her retirement.  To that end I have convinced her that there is no downside to owning a VACATION home in New Hampshire.  So I joined the White Mountain Land Club and will be searching for property during the porcfest.   Since your husband just got a promotion (and presumably a raise in pay) perhaps you might try the same tactic.

I'd also appreciate any porcupines who meet Dr. Lockwood next week at the PorcFest do their best to convince her that NH is the place she wants to be!

Jerry
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: MaineShark on July 20, 2005, 07:05:43 pm
I'm in a similar position with a spouse who is tied to a state medical license that is nearly impossible to transfer to New Hampshire.

Yeah, NH is a little "funny" about licensing.  It's one of the few things that I consider a significant drawback to the state.

I'd also appreciate any porcupines who meet Dr. Lockwood next week at the PorcFest do their best to convince her that NH is the place she wants to be!

Sure thing.  Anything in particular that she's likely to respond to?  A run-down of every high point for NH is probably a bit time-consuming.  Narrowing down the list might make things more manageable.

Joe
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: pcwallis on July 20, 2005, 07:33:48 pm
I am just wondering if there is any other couple out there that wants to move but does not have a netrwork set up.   We do not have a network as of yet. In other words how do you get from where you are - to NH?  Jobs, housing, where to locate.  How have other FSPers fared in their move.  What they would suggest to us who have not moved as of yet.

Is there a central clearing house that we can go to to discuss the move and relocating issues?   This forum seems to be very confusing and has groups talking about other issues, which is fine - but what about the move and jobs and starting a business?  Can we all focus on getting out to NH, then once there we can discuss until the cows come home - the issues.   First things first - it's getting us out to NH by Sept. 2006 all 20,000 of us.

Phil Wallis
Wisconsin
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Dreepa on July 20, 2005, 11:11:54 pm
My wife arrived in NH tonight... she has been very 'concerned' about moving to NH.
She just called me and said that it is 'beautiful' and she thinks she is going to love it.

So I say send your spouse for a vist.

Phil... I think that there is a forum spot for that... however I will be moving in 2 months.. ( ok 1.5 months now).  I would be more than happy to answer questions etc once I get there.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: pcwallis on July 30, 2005, 08:17:22 pm
Thank You Dreepa

Please talk to me about NH when you get there
We need to have some way of working with FSPers who like what we like - it makes it easier to do something when your with people who are like you.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: amanajo on August 09, 2005, 09:36:56 pm
Yes! I just came to this forum with the exact thing on my mind, so I was glad to see your post. My husband is the one not wanting to move. He's come a long way, agreeing in the end with me about many things, I've got to give him a lot of credit for that! Every new peice of truth I've dug up, he's come around in the end... but I'm not so sure he'll ever join FSP. He loves his job too much, and his personal 40 acre kingdom. To be fair, we've moved around a lot already... but I don't think he'll go for it. I KNOW that I know the FSP is worthy, and it's burning in me to join! I thought about joining and hoping he'll change his mind by that time, since it's such a worthy cause. I don't think God demands wifely obedience when a man is dead wrong, otherwise my family would not be where it is now as stronger and on the right track. But I'm definitely hesitating to sign up without him, without some advice first. This sounds so radical and I hate that, but I'm very eager to stand up for good at any cost, if it's called for on my part. Any word of knowledge would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: FreeBoB on August 09, 2005, 10:24:48 pm
Yes! I just came to this forum with the exact thing on my mind, so I was glad to see your post. My husband is the one not wanting to move. He's come a long way, agreeing in the end with me about many things, I've got to give him a lot of credit for that! Every new peice of truth I've dug up, he's come around in the end... but I'm not so sure he'll ever join FSP. He loves his job too much, and his personal 40 acre kingdom. To be fair, we've moved around a lot already... but I don't think he'll go for it. I KNOW that I know the FSP is worthy, and it's burning in me to join! I thought about joining and hoping he'll change his mind by that time, since it's such a worthy cause. I don't think God demands wifely obedience when a man is dead wrong, otherwise my family would not be where it is now as stronger and on the right track. But I'm definitely hesitating to sign up without him, without some advice first. This sounds so radical and I hate that, but I'm very eager to stand up for good at any cost, if it's called for on my part. Any word of knowledge would be appreciated.

Hi amanajo,

As much as we'd all love for you to add to our Participant count, I suggest that you wait to sign until you can truthfully commit to moving to New Hampshire.  Hoping you'll move isn't a commitment.  You could certainly sign up as a Friend of the FSP and be as active a volunteer as you care to be.  You'll know when you can commit.

We've got to keep our hope alive with activism.  As long as I live in NY, that's all I've got too.

Brian.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: SteveA on August 09, 2005, 10:55:39 pm
Yes! I just came to this forum with the exact thing on my mind, so I was glad to see your post. My husband is the one not wanting to move. He's come a long way, agreeing in the end with me about many things, I've got to give him a lot of credit for that! Every new peice of truth I've dug up, he's come around in the end... but I'm not so sure he'll ever join FSP. He loves his job too much, and his personal 40 acre kingdom. To be fair, we've moved around a lot already... but I don't think he'll go for it. I KNOW that I know the FSP is worthy, and it's burning in me to join! I thought about joining and hoping he'll change his mind by that time, since it's such a worthy cause. I don't think God demands wifely obedience when a man is dead wrong, otherwise my family would not be where it is now as stronger and on the right track. But I'm definitely hesitating to sign up without him, without some advice first. This sounds so radical and I hate that, but I'm very eager to stand up for good at any cost, if it's called for on my part. Any word of knowledge would be appreciated.

You can support the FSP without moving too.  Though it's great people have moved to N.H., we really need people outside it as well to get the word around, so there's plenty that can be done outside N.H. too.

I'm in a very similar boat.  My wife would move but it'll be kind of tough for her.  We'll see how it works out.

Something else to consider:  The actual statement of intent to move is for 20K people, so if you did sign up it's only a commitment to move, if 20K other people have signed up and agreed as well (something that would be hard to pass up :)).

Anywany, welcome to the FSP forum.  You can always sign up as a friend instead too.  Have fun :)
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: PassionatePantherrr on August 10, 2005, 09:47:50 am
Another thought:

Buy a vacation home / cabin / property, spend what time you can there, assisting liberty / freedom / porcupine efforts where you can from a distance (or when you're in town), and then make sure to plan to retire to NH ;-)
Work with the local FSP group to your area to help them get off the ground, maybe rent your getaway to them for a month or two when they first land in NH, when you're not using it. Help keep the group alive and motivated as new blood comes in, and other folks make the move to NH. :-)
Just a few thoughts on what you could do while you're in your current situation, from someone who's already made the move, has a getaway in the woods, and if I ever was tempted to go elsewhere for someone, it would be a temporary thing, until I could lure them up to the wilds of NH!
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: lordpoee on September 13, 2005, 05:43:42 am
Sure is: Me and my wife would move there, except our current situation with partial custody of her children from a previous marriage makes that difficult.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Denis Goddard on September 13, 2005, 12:02:01 pm
//not mistaken about NH being commuting distance to Boston

It's true. I live in Nashua, NH. I can vouch that it takes 45 minutes to drive to Logan airport, way in downtown Boston, from my apartment.

Anyone that can find a job in Boston or suburbs thereof, and is willing to take a 45-minute commute,
can move to NH and start making a difference now with the rest of us Pioneers!

-Denis
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on July 19, 2006, 10:39:04 am
Perhaps this Libertarian-ish business owner will consider opening a branch in NH...

update:  haven't posted in over a year here, a lot of good things have happened since I last posted here.

My Libertarian-ish boss ended up being more politically inclined (and more Libertarian) than I ever could have fathomed back when I first started this thread.  He's running for office here in MA as an Independent.  Which led to some great political discussions between my husband and I, as well as some more discussions on New Hampshire, used for comparison in discussions.  Also, without prompting, my kids have also begun to proclaim a desire to move to New Hampshire.  Turns out my youngest son has a friend who used to live in New Hampshire who talks about it all the time and misses it, and my son said to my husband "The schools are way better in New Hampshire,"  and "New Hampshire has the highest mountain in the northeast so that's where I want to live" (he's an atlas enthusiast.)

 
A lot has happened in the course of time since May of 2005 to now, July of 2006, and all of it leaning towards a move to New Hampshire, but now it relies on the outcome of an election.  If we can stay here in Massachusetts and fight, as voters, with our boss to bring Massachusetts back to smaller government, we'll do that. I only see smaller government as possible if our boss wins the election.  If he doesn't win, I see things only getting worse and financially more draining as tax payers, and the great news is, my husband agrees.


Work is going great, I ended up getting a promotion myself, not long after my husband's promotion, but both my husband and I have made a decision to move *if* our boss doesn't win in this year's election.   A few things that happened within the past year here in Massachusetts, including last week's collapse of a portion of the Big Dig project, has led my husband to better understand how the big government of this state is costing him and citizens of this state far more than just a few extra bucks taken out of the paycheck each week.  The mandatory health coverage bill, increases in various local government fees, as well as schools closing and an overall threat of losing more freedoms and paying higher taxes in just about everything has finally made my husband recognize that this state is not designed for the intelligent, hard working, law abiding citizen that he is.

He's the most penalized.

So, we'll see what happens in November.  I'm ready for either scenerio.  Either our boss wins the election and we stay on here and start the course to turning this state around, or our boss loses the election and we are a part of what will be the biggest 'Mass Exodus" out of this state, as many other people we know have also mentioned leaving this state based on the outcome of the election.  Some aren't even waiting for the election, they are already planning to leave.  I've told them to consider New Hampshire, and most already were.  I wasn't shocked. 

Anyways, that's the update. 








Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on July 19, 2006, 10:47:51 am
just wanted to add, Massachusetts might not even get its 'tax free' holiday this year.

http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060713/NEWS/607130617/1116

Just will serve as wood on the fire of citizens' desires to leave this state.


Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: Dreepa on July 19, 2006, 10:55:13 am
Bag,

While I hope your boss wins the elections.... I also hope he doesn't (you know how that goes). I truly hope that you can make MA have a smaller govt but.....

Check out the First 1000
www.pledgebank.com/first1000

Also you may want to included handing out FSP flyers to libertarian minded people.  Get the bug in their ear now.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on July 19, 2006, 02:18:27 pm
Bag,

While I hope your boss wins the elections.... I also hope he doesn't (you know how that goes). I truly hope that you can make MA have a smaller govt but.....

Check out the First 1000
www.pledgebank.com/first1000

Also you may want to included handing out FSP flyers to libertarian minded people.  Get the bug in their ear now.

I'm hoping he does win, but if he doesn't, at least both scenerios are great.  I'm ready for either ending (and beginning)... not a case of the 'lesser of two evils', this is a case of win/win.  If he wins, and there's starting to be signs he just might, that would be great, I'm so ready to do all I can to see to it the first four years create as many changes as possible to the size and corruption in our MA government, in whatever capacity I can assist. 

That said, I talk about the Free State Project almost every time I meet anybody, it usually comes up in conversation at some point.  I have a bumper sticker about it on both of our vehicles, have the keychains (2 different ones) and wear the tshirts and get asked about it a lot.  I'm sorta a walking/talking billboard for the Free State Project, really.  I also write about it every chance I get on forums where people show signs of being discouraged by politics in general.  Usually re-inspires them.  :)

Sorry for the long delay in response, I'm up to my eyeballs here in things to do around the house, not much time for computer today.
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: lasse on July 19, 2006, 03:34:44 pm
Smaller government in Massachusetts? Isn't that a bit like.. Liberalizing the market in North Korea?
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: RidleyReport on July 24, 2006, 04:06:10 am
Hi bag!  You and I met at Hempfest or whatever they call it at Boston Common.  I'm the shavie hed guy.

If you're in mass instead of just feeling sad about not living in NH, just start coming up here to hang out with us at our events and stuff! 

Check http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?action=calendar

for what's coming up each week around NH.  Most of it is fairly near the border.

You'll feel just as big a rush holding a sign in front of a federal building or coming to a meet and greet, whether you are living in mass or from NH.

Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on August 02, 2006, 09:59:11 am
Smaller government in Massachusetts? Isn't that a bit like.. Liberalizing the market in North Korea?

hahaha :)
Title: Re: Any other married folks wishing they could move to NH
Post by: BagOfEyebrows on August 02, 2006, 10:09:27 am
Hi bag!  You and I met at Hempfest or whatever they call it at Boston Common.  I'm the shavie hed guy.

If you're in mass instead of just feeling sad about not living in NH, just start coming up here to hang out with us at our events and stuff! 

Check http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?action=calendar

for what's coming up each week around NH.  Most of it is fairly near the border.

You'll feel just as big a rush holding a sign in front of a federal building or coming to a meet and greet, whether you are living in mass or from NH.



thanks for the link, I think I've been to that calendar before when i was contemplating a trip up to New Hampshire a few years back.  We do go up to NH about once a year. 

Just spent last night talking with a NH resident about the differences in property tax in various towns up there.  She was very helpful and knows a lot of information about the areas we are considering for a move.  I know this website also has info on stuff like that, but I like the whole person-to-person aspect and eventually will do a day trip or weekend trip up there to talk more with other residents in the area whom we've spoken with online and plan to meet eventually in person. 

I met so many shaved-head folks at that rally... which one were ya?  That was such a fun day, my kids loved it, all the bands playing, the big field to run around and dance.  And getting to meet Amanda Phillips just rocked.