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Killington votes 3-1 to join NH at annual town meeting
« on: March 02, 2005, 09:42:41 am »

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=51424
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KILLINGTON, Vt. — Weary from bearing a crushing property tax burden, this small ski resort town 35 miles from the New Hampshire border will continue its effort to rejoin its Granite State roots.

By a nearly 3-1 margin, townspeople voted at their town meeting yesterday to keep up their battle, if only to draw attention to their plight by lawmakers in Montpelier.

Article 5 on the warrant asked residents if they wanted the selectmen to discontinue their "efforts to become a municipality in New Hampshire." A no vote defeated the article. The final tally was 117 no votes and 45 yes votes.


A line of Killington, Vt., voters await their turn yesterday to speak on the town's effort to rejoin New Hampshire. (LORNA COLQUHOUN) 
"This is a last-resort effort," said Town Manager David Lewis, explaining to several hundred residents the dozens of ways the town has tried to fight the statewide property tax. "We've tried to do this other ways . . . the only other thing is to accept the statewide property tax as a fair and equitable tax."

A study commissioned by the selectmen before last year's town meeting concluded that the fiscal impact of rejoining New Hampshire would mean that businesses and residents would save annual total of at least $7 million per year and up to $12 million per year in taxes should the town become a municipality of New Hampshire instead of Vermont.

This year's town meeting did not draw the attention it did last year. There was no New Hampshire flag raised and there were no representatives from the Granite State observing the meeting.

But a year later, town officials said, taxes are still rising and legislators are not hearing their plea for relief.

"I love Vermont," said Selectman Walter "Butch" Findeisen. "Unfortunately, this state is moving in a direction it has never moved before. They are taking advantage of us."

A year ago, officials called the effort "rejoining" New Hampshire, since the town was originally chartered by the Granite State before the Revolutionary War. At yesterday's meeting, the term "secession" was the word.

"I don't see that we have a choice," Findeisen said. "If we don't continue with secession, I don't see us as having any hope at all of rectifying this situation and this seems to be the only thing Montpelier is listening to."

Selectmen said they have spoken to nine towns in the last year that seek to follow Killington's lead. Voters in Winhall were considering whether to spend $10,000 on investigating the possibility of seceding to New Hampshire.

Killington residents who spoke in favor of continuing the effort said yesterday they realized Vermont would never approve of the action, but they need to follow the course in the hope it will ultimately lead to change.

Lewis and the three selectmen visited Concord three times last year.

"Montpelier does not know what is best for us," Selectman Norman Holcomb said. "We need to take back local control — we need to take back local control and create leverage."

It impressed him, he said, that the bill introduced to the New Hampshire House this session, which would explore Killington rejoining the state, "had a list of expenses created because of this bill.

"It was $15,000 and that's nothing," he said. "But that's the way New Hampshire runs its state government — they're very conscious of what goes on."

But not all residents favored continuing the effort.

Innkeeper Otto Iannantuoni said the town has made its point and it is time to move on.

"No legislator or governor will ever allow this," he said. "I urge you to vote yes (to discontinue the effort) and close this chapter in the town's history and rejoin the Vermont community."

Town officials argued that the effort so far has had an impact and there have been no negative aspects.

"This is making the biggest impact," said resident Diane Rosenbloom. "They may not let us go, but they are being forced to listen to us. We don't have the leverage if we vote yes (to the article). We'll have to lie down and let them step all over us."

One resident said the effort has made the town a "laughingstock" around the state and suggested it was time to update the town's charter, which has its roots in New Hampshire.

"Some people were tee-heeing last year, but now that they see what we have done, they want to do the same," argued resident Kathy Fitzgerald.

At the start of the town meeting, state Rep. Peter Chen talked to the town about what has been happening in Montpelier and in the town.

"When you consider the secession issue, you have to ask yourselves if this is the way to promote change," he said.

Two longtime residents told Chen they are very close to not being able to afford to keep their homes.

"Our family is very close to being unable to live in Killington," one man said, noting that his taxes have risen from $2,200 five years ago to $10,000.

The residents voted by ballot this year, unlike last year, when the decision to pursue becoming a part of New Hampshire passed on a voice vote.

"This is a wonderful windmill to tilt against," one man said.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2005, 10:06:49 am »

Nine other towns.... Hmm... perhaps instead of an Killington "island", we'll have a full on peninsula into (former) Vermont areas.

Nice that the voters are continuing this.  Now for the NH Reps to vote to continue it too...

http://generalcourt.org/bills/2005/HB288-FN
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 10:15:34 am »

Yah.....we could have a finger of NH into VT along the appalachian trail Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2005, 10:28:40 am »

I definitely think we should offer them Hanover in exchange for the towns that want to join NH. It's only fair.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2005, 03:13:56 pm »

Does anyone have any contact information for folks in Killington?  I'd like to eventually get out and give them some "welcome to New Hampshire" signs to put up at town borders.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2005, 03:54:03 pm »

We could look up the councilmens (or whatever) names that are looking into this and teaching the other towns leaders. They mention them by name in articles sometimes. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2005, 04:26:06 pm »

You guys in Keene should get over to VT and troll for new towns. Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 04:36:22 pm »

You guys in Keene should get over to VT and troll for new towns. Cheesy
You are practically one of us...but we could visit Brattleboro, but maybe they are one of the "receiver" towns of Killingtons "donor" taxes Lips Sealed
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2005, 04:39:46 pm »

You guys in Keene should get over to VT and troll for new towns. Cheesy
You are practically one of us...but we could visit Brattleboro, but maybe they are one of the "receiver" towns of Killingtons "donor" taxes Lips Sealed

I'm guessing you're right about that!
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2005, 07:33:17 am »

We were thinking about a Meet and Greet for Killington residents. What do you guys think of a big party in say.... Lebanon NH?
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2005, 10:29:13 pm »

I still don't understand why they have to ask the permission of their oppressor before they can leave.

That would be like somebody asking a school bully if he could keep his lunch money today.

They have a right to secede whether or not Vermont "approves." Why doesn't somebody comunicate that to them.


2nd, How do we know that these people -- while being oppressed by the socialistic Vermont State, won't feel like they aren't being oppressed enough under New Hampshire.

I'm still not sure that it's a good idea to make New Hampshire bigger. The more people, iin the state, the less influence we have. Also, the bigger the territorial monopoly of the New Hampshire government. It would only serve to make oppression by the State government more likely the next time people we don't like get in power.

These towns would all be better off becoming their own independent citi-states. They'd completely stop paying taxes to either a State or the Fed!

And New Hampshire would be better off with-out them. Indeed, we'd be better off with them being independent, because it would force the State of New Hampshire to compete with these "free cities" for commerce and immigration.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2005, 10:39:10 pm »

The nice thing about this whole Killington affair: It makes Joe/Jane Citizen pause a moment to actually think about oppresion and secession.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2005, 07:30:08 am »

I still don't understand why they have to ask the permission of their oppressor before they can leave.

I'm still not sure that it's a good idea to make New Hampshire bigger. The more people, iin the state, the less influence we have. Also, the bigger the territorial monopoly of the New Hampshire government. It would only serve to make oppression by the State government more likely the next time people we don't like get in power.
I really like your first point...but since we think they should be free...then let them be free to join us in NH....lets not assume the worst...these guys are voting for freedom Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2005, 04:17:20 pm »

Yes, but New HAmpshire should also have some say and say that we'd rather not bepolitically associated with them either.

It's freedom of association.  That implies the freedom to not associate.

Even if that do vote more liberty -- the fact remains that the territorial monopoly of New HAmpshire is increased. This only increases the odds that New Hampshire will, in the future be harder to be kept free.

It seems to me that principled libertarians would opposed the expansion of the territory of the State of New Hampshire. -- For the Same reason that the Federalists opposed Jefferson's Louisiana purchase, and manafest destany.

While I'm all for decentralization, that's not what this is. It's recentralization.

It's be good for Vermont liberty -- shrinking it's territorial monopoly. It'l be good for the idnvidual towns, because the Bully in New HAmpshire is a lot nicer then the one in Vermont. But it won't be good for people already living in New Hampshire -- regardless of how libertarian these people are initially. And it would be even better for the people in those towns, to become completely independent.

Why doesn't that enter their head? Why do they have this "need" to serve some master. And while it might be charitible for New Hampshire to take these people in, Government's not suppose to be about charity.

Do these local politicians in these towns, have e-mail addresses? Perhaps I'll write to them, and suggest that they would even be better off not paying tribute to anybody.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2005, 07:59:10 am »

Why doesn't that enter their head? Why do they have this "need" to serve some master. And while it might be charitible for New Hampshire to take these people in, Government's not suppose to be about charity.

Do these local politicians in these towns, have e-mail addresses? Perhaps I'll write to them, and suggest that they would even be better off not paying tribute to anybody.
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I am sure you can find them....I like your idea Smiley
But I do applaud their basic instinct in these votes for less taxation. Cool
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