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Re: A 51st State! The Freestate Project Might have a Rival!
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2005, 07:24:19 pm »

Splitting NH into 10 seperate states?

I like it!

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Re: A 51st State! The Freestate Project Might have a Rival!
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2005, 03:18:33 pm »

As to how it can be done
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Constitution for the United States of America
Article. IV.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Like the old Missouri Compromise which admitted Maine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise
Trade off with all of the New York City and Long Island Boroughs and Westchester County admitted as separate states and include Washington D.C. too.  That's nine new states in NH and nine new states in NY and D.C.
Washington D.C., pop. 572,059
Richmond (Staten Island), pop. 378,977
Westchester (just N. of NYC), pop. 874,866
The Bronx, pop. 1,203,789
Nassau (East Long Island), pop. 1,287,348
Suffolk (West Long Island), pop. 1,321,864
New York (Manhattan), pop. 1,487,536
Queens, pop. 1,951,598
Kings (Brooklyn), pop. 2,300,664

To counter the above
New Hampshire could get TEN TIMES THE POLITICAL CLOUT in Washington D.C. if it wanted to -- by getting each of its counties to become fully-fledged states in their own right. Do the counties of New Hampshire have enough people to each form their own states? Thomas Jefferson, in 1784, considered and answered this question in his proposed Northwest Ordinance of 1784.
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"until it [a potential state] shall have acquired twenty thousand free inhabitants; when giving due proof thereof to Congress, they shall receive from them authority, with appointments of time and place to call a convention of representatives to establish a permanent constitution and government for themselves.
"That whensoever any of the said states shall have, of free inhabitants, as many as shall then be in any one the least numerous of the thirteen original states, such states shall be admitted by it’s delegates into the Congress of the United States, on an equal footing with the said original states;"
Note that the “least numerous of the thirteen original states” in 1784 was Delaware with about fifty thousand people, Rhode Island and Vermont each with about sixty thousand, and Georgia with about seventy thousand people. This is why Congress, in 1787, adopted sixty thousand as the threshold for admission to the union. Note that Congress also left open the option of admitting a state with less than sixty thousand. This option was used to admit Illinois in 1818 with under 45,000 people and Oregon in 1859 with under 50,000 people, and Nevada in 1864 with under 25,000 people. The following was passed into law by Congress in 1787.
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"And, whenever any of the said States shall have sixty thousand free inhabitants therein, such State shall be admitted, by its delegates, into the Congress of the United States, on an equal footing with the original States in all respects whatever, and shall be at liberty to form a permanent constitution and State government: Provided, the constitution and government so to be formed, shall be republican, and in conformity to the principles contained in these articles; and, so far as it can be consistent with the general interest of the confederacy, such admission shall be allowed at an earlier period, and when there may be a less number of free inhabitants in the State than sixty thousand."

THE CENSUS NUMBERS IN 1790
59,096 in the NEW state of Delaware (joined union on Dec. 7, 1787)
68,825 in the NEW state of Rhode Island (joined union on May 29, 1790)
82,548 in the NEW state of Georgia (joined union on Jan. 2, 1788)
85,425 in the NEW state of Vermont (joined union on Mar. 4, 1791)
96,540 in the NEW state of Maine (joined union on Mar. 15, 1820)
141,885 in the NEW state of New Hampshire (joined union on Jun. 21, 1788)
184,139 in the NEW state of New Jersey (joined union on Dec. 18, 1787)
237,946 in the NEW state of Connecticut (joined union on Jan. 9, 1788)
249,073 in the NEW state of South Carolina (joined union on May 23, 1788)
319,728 in the NEW state of Maryland (joined union on Apr. 28, 1788)
340,120 in the NEW state of New York(2) (joined union on Jul. 26, 1788)
378,787 in the NEW state of Massachusetts(1) (joined union on Feb. 6, 1788)
   (1) Massachusetts in 1790 included Maine (378,787 in Massachusetts plus 96,540 in Maine for a total of 475,327)
(2) New York in 1790 included Vermont (340,120 in New York plus 85,425 in Vermont for a total of 425,545)


COMPARE THE ABOVE TO PRESENT POPULATIONS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE COUNTIES (2000 Census #'s)
33,111 in the NEW state of Coos
or add 6,459 in Essex County Vermont for a total of 39,570 or all 62,438 of the NEK to total 95,549.
40,458 in the NEW state of Sullivan
43,666 in the NEW state of Carroll
56,325 in the NEW state of Belknap
73,825 in the NEW state of Cheshire
81,743 in the NEW state of Grafton
112,233 in the NEW state of Strafford
136,225 in the NEW state of Merrimack
277,359 in the NEW state of Rockingham
380,841 in the NEW state of Hillsborough

At the very least, THREE new states could be formed -- each with 400,000 to 500,000 people.
(and nominations for names?)
SE NH with Strafford and Rockingham totaling 389,592 and growing fast.
SW NH with Hillsborough and Cheshire totaling 454,666 and growing faster.
North NH with Coos, Grafton, Carroll, Belknap, Sullivan & Merrimack totaling 391,528 in 2000 (and growing).


                                                                                                                                                                         
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    As far as NYC gioes you probally could get 20 or more states out of Brooklyn, hum the great state of Coney Island has a nice ring to it.On the boardwalk could be the state song and the Cyclone rollercoster the state symbol.
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Re: A 51st State! The Freestate Project Might have a Rival!
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2005, 03:42:50 pm »

There are over 3,000 counties in the US, over 1400 have a population over 25,000.                                                                                                                                                                here is a little more info on counties                                                                                                   
             http://www.naco.org                                                                                                                                         
          Just think of that 1400 stars on the flag, 2,800 US Senators and of course they would have to change the number of US House members.
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2005, 09:34:32 am »

Even if a new state's population must have the 650,000  for the presentUS house district then that still could mean up to 435 states. Of course that would limit New Hampshire to becoming 2 states but maybe 3 by 2020.             
      Hum the number of US Senators(870) would be double the number of House members(435). How does that sound?     I like it, a bigger chance of not getting a stupid international treaty.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2005, 05:12:35 pm »

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Just think of that 1400 stars on the flag, 2,800 US Senators and of course they would have to change the number of US House members.

That's why it'll never happen. Nice dream, though.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2005, 04:51:33 pm »

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Just think of that 1400 stars on the flag, 2,800 US Senators and of course they would have to change the number of US House members.

That's why it'll never happen. Nice dream, though.
                                                                                                                                                               
             Maybe, Maybe not but I'm not going to hold my breathe.
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