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So Christianity renders the Ten Commandments obsolete- is that what you're saying? And yes, it DOES apply to Muslims, or were you dead when they went apeshit over a goddamned cartoon of their psychotic pedophile Prophet?

Quote from: Old Nick on April 23, 2006, 02:42:52 pm

Before you get your panties in a wad, you might want to consider reading the "10 commandments" and the chapters in context. Or better yet, read the entire Torah/Pentetauch (sp?). You'll see that the commands given were specifically to "Bnei Yisrael" - the Israelites and their descendants.

Now I'm not exactly the most knowledgable when it comes to Christianity or Islam, but for the former (IIRC) the NT prohibits idolatary, but not images. And for the latter, the Muslims have their own prohibitions based on the Qu'ran as well as the Sunnahs and such which were written later, but they do not derive the prohibition from the Torah - it would be odd for them to do so, seeing as they believe the Torah has been corrupted.

I used to be a Christian, and it is my understanding that Christian doctrine is much more the work of theologians than what can be found straight out of the New Testament. It has much more to do with what a theologian has developed philosophically than what Jesus may have actually said. In a sense, it is very much like taking Paul's elaborations and thoughts on what Jesus said (the only difference is that Paul is canonized and everybody since him has not been).

There are a number of fundamentalists out there, to be sure, but even then, their doctrines are usually an offshoot of whatever congregation they split off from with some "back to the Bible" strands mixed in. Or, to state it as a Bible verse (a favorite "debating tactic" of a lot of fundies), "there is nothing new under the sun"--at least, not when it comes to religion or fundamentalists.

To me, a lot of these fundies are trying to re-invent the wheel. The Bible (least of all, the New Testament alone) has little or nothing to say about the vast majority of moral dilemmas in which we find ourselves. The closest we can come to that are in discovering the principles that underlie the precepts given, but once you've done that, you've already entered into the world of biblical analysis and theology.

As for the Ten Commandments in particular, the way the doctrine goes is something like this: once Jesus was asked about the law or some such thing. Jesus replied that there are only two real commandments: first, love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength; second, love your neighbor as yourself. Thus, Christians aren't specifically bound to the Ten Commandments, but those two commandments that Jesus gave encompass the spirit of the law as given in the Torah. He also didn't prescribe *how* you were to go about following those commandments, which I find interesting. He did not provide ritual, only the philosophy.

Now, Jesus said a lot of other things, but this is what I remember from my Days of Christianity. I don't know if contradictions exist, but I'm sure that if somebody finds one, some theologian has attempted to address it. They're funny that way. Wink

Too bad I can't think of an ending to "You know you're a Christian libertarian when...." That would make this post funny.

Quote from: eques on September 24, 2006, 11:27:32 pm

Too bad I can't think of an ending to "You know you're a Christian libertarian when...." That would make this post funny.

Then I add it for you: You know you're a Christian libertarian when Christians accuse you of being libertarian and libertarians accuse you of being Christian.

.... when you debate about being a Christian.

Lol, these are pretty fun, keep it up guys!

Jesus says he forgives every sin except the doubting in Christ. Now that is unacceptable to me, as it is literally saying. Don't scrutinize but follow me your totalitarian leader. I can not see how libertarian can be Christian with such a paradox to Christianity and freedom of thought.

Quote from: lordmetroid on December 04, 2006, 08:34:44 pm

Actually, Jesus said that blaspheming him was forgivable, but blaspheming the Holy Ghost was not. We're still not sure exactly what that means.

That's because the Holy Ghost don't take no crap - she's one tough character! Shocked

Quote from: Brian Sullivan on December 04, 2006, 11:40:04 pm

That's because the Holy Ghost don't take no crap - she's one tough character!Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Shocked

If the Holy Ghost is female, then how did she ever manage to impregn... never mind, notgonnagothere Brian.Ã‚Â Tongue

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Jesus says he forgives every sin except the doubting in Christ.

I'm not familiar with that passage.

You speak out against your church joining a major denomination because you oppose centralized government.

You sneak into the sanctuary before the service, gather up all of the Christian Coalition voter guides, and dispose of them appropriately.

During the viewing of Braveheart you have a religious experience.

Your 7 year old asks you if welfare is part of God's plan for the earth.

You find yourself trying to convince your pastor to vote against the state wide Same Sex Marriage Ban.

When you read the Bible you replace all references to "Satan" with "government", and all references to "evil" with "taxes".

Haha, what makes these mildly amusing is that they're all true!

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