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Winhall, VT. to secede?
« on: January 23, 2005, 03:17:16 pm »

An article in the NH Sunday news reports that the Selectboard plans to ask voters about the secession idea on Town Meeting day, March 1.
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2005, 01:48:18 pm »

An article in the NH Sunday news reports that the Selectboard plans to ask voters about the secession idea on Town Meeting day, March 1.
Cool, I wonder if the article can be found online.
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2005, 06:41:38 pm »

An article in the NH Sunday news reports that the Selectboard plans to ask voters about the secession idea on Town Meeting day, March 1.
Cool, I wonder if the article can be found online.



NH Sunday News is the same as The Union Leader (just a different name on Sunday).
If you go to theunionleader.com and do a Vermont secede search, you will find several stories about several towns.
Hope that is helpful.
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 11:16:45 pm »

Vt. town to ask voters about joining N.H.
Published: Sunday, Jan. 23, 2005
WINHALL, Vt. (AP)
http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050123/NEWS02/101230125/-1/news

The Union Leader article
http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_show.html?article=50520&archive=1

Town of Killington Selectboard
Meeting of September 13, 2004 and a mention in January 5th,2004
(scroll down about mid-page on page)
http://www.killingtontown.com/cfBoard/outputSelectboard.cfm

State wants lawsuit tossed
School funding law is at issue
January 28, 2005
http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050128/NEWS/501280380/0/FRONTPAGE

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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 11:46:20 pm »

Hmmm...just reviewing the forum.  Thought this read familiar.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=5107.0
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2005, 05:51:13 am »

Thank you much, Gray, for the links.

I can't imagine Winhall, N.H., Vermont and Congress must all agree.  Obviously if they have a grievance with Vermont, then it would be between the town, New Hampshire and maybe Congress (though truly I don't see much need for Congress to approve it).  Ideally, it would seem as though if the town and N.H. agreed then state control would change at which point Vermont could appeal it but luckily I'm ignorant. Wink

Even a town enclosed by one state shouldn't seem to pose a major problem.  At least in the original Articles of Confederation there were protections to trade and traffic of people between states, so state boundaries don't really have much real affect, except for jurisdiction.
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2005, 01:37:09 pm »

Everyone wants to be in NH...the easy way is to just move. Smiley
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2005, 01:57:45 pm »

though truly I don't see much need for Congress to approve it

The closest I could found was Article 4, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

"Section. 3.
Clause 1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. "

But that seems to only govern new states, not parts of states joining other current states....

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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2005, 04:53:18 pm »

though truly I don't see much need for Congress to approve it

The closest I could found was Article 4, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

"Section. 3.
Clause 1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. "

But that seems to only govern new states, not parts of states joining other current states....

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And that rule was totallay ignored when West Virginia was created without the approval of the state it was being partitioned from.
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2005, 01:04:40 pm »

Viral marketing at its best!

Towns just keep adding themselves to NH and pretty soon it's the whole country Smiley
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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2005, 03:13:02 am »

though truly I don't see much need for Congress to approve it

The closest I could found was Article 4, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

"Section. 3.
Clause 1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. "

But that seems to only govern new states, not parts of states joining other current states....

JM



It also doesn't say that a part of a state needs congressional aproval to simply secede and form it's own independent state. The Congressional Aproval part is only is that part of a state that secede wants to become part of the union as well.

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Re: Winhall, VT. to secede?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2005, 05:12:07 pm »

The Killington plan is that NH will have to approve the measure in the legislature, maybe, maybe not. Then VT has to agree to let Killington go, and then I'm not sure if congress need to get involved. I imagine the congress will only be necessary if NH and VT cannot agree, which we won't. Remember that VT milks Killington for 19 million a year, they won't give up that revenue without one tough fight.
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