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« on: November 22, 2004, 09:38:11 pm »

An update on things, interested folks, go to the link below.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WhiteMountainLandClub

Dated circa winter 2005
The White Mountain Land Club...is a loose affiliation of people interested in buying land at good prices in the state of New Hampshire.

We consider property in all regions of the state, but try to find suitable locations near areas of employment if possible.

Some people are interested in this for profit generation, some are interested in building a sustainable community, while others are interested in just getting some space to themselves.  Everyone is interested in having good neighbors in the free state.

We are willing to work cooperatively with all conservatories and habitat preservation organizations as well as the established building unions and political bodies to result in a win-win scenario for all.

Raw land is often cheapest per acre if it is bought in large parcels.  However large parcels are expensive and we need to cooperatively pool funds in order to make such bulk purchases.   By acting in concert the price normally 5,000 to 10,000 pre acre can be reduced down to $1,000 per acre or below.  In addition the possibility of logging some of these properties can further brings costs down to well below $500 per acre.

We’ve been through several iterations of trying to properly set up a vehicle for such a coordinated purchase and have finally settled by necessity on using a newly created GPS mapping and property information company. 

The company Vykos Realty Information Services LLC, is manager-managed by Jeremy Noyes.
While the businesses primary function is conveniently providing access to property information, its secondary service is the desired coordinated purchase of suitable properties.  The third will be in the design and construction of sustainable communities and homes.

The coordinated purchase service provided to the “customers” is currently based upon $10,000 increments, and while some funds are used for the operation of the company each customer will get 100% of the fair market value of their initial service purchase when it becomes time to disperse the use of the property.

While the initial desire was for this to be a “cash up front” venture, we are now considering the possibility of using creative financing utilizing low or no interest loans, seller owner financing, and the creation of our own credit union or bank.

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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 09:42:44 pm »

and another one $418 per acre

Land Listing -- Benton NH
Listing Reference Number: 126546
Style: Residential   List Price: $146000.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: 0 OFF ROUTE 25
 
350 ACRES ABUTTING NAT'L FOREST. ALL IN NAT'L FOREST DESIGNATED AREA. 4WD ACCESS PRIMARILY HARDWOOD WITH PARTIAL LOGGING DONE 10-12 YRS AGO. 12X16' CAMP W/OUT AMMENITIES. IF YOU WANT A PARCEL TO GET AWAY FROM IT ALL THIS IS WORTH YOUR INVESTIGATION.  
 
 Listed by:  Richard Reinhold
Reinhold Associates  
Style: Residential  
Roads: Other specify in rmr
 
Water: On Site Well Needed
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 15246000  
Lot Size: 350.00  
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 09:46:25 pm »

and another...$532 per acre
...actually on second thought I might be able to swing this one on my own Wink

Land Listing -- Campton NH
Listing Reference Number: 162160
Style: Residential   List Price: $39900.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: 000 OFF WEBSTER +PULSIFER
 
LARGE PARCEL OF BACK LAND FOR THE NATURE LOVER. HARD TO GET TO, BUT IT IS PARADISE FOUND WHEN YOU GET THERE. GREAT PARCEL FOR CAMPING AND GETTING BACK TO NATURE. ACCESS NEEDS TO BE RESEARCHED .. SELLER MOTIVATED......  
 
 Listed by:  Alan DeStefano
Century 21 Country Lakes Realty  
Style: Residential  
Roads: Other specify in rmr
 
Water: On Site Well Needed
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 3267000  
Lot Size: 75.00  
 
 
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 09:52:38 pm »

and another $552 per acre if we sell the timber it works out to $186 an acre

Land Listing -- Landaff NH
Listing Reference Number: 151218
Style: Recreational   List Price: $261600.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: - JERICHO RD
 
ADJACENT TO THE WHITE MOUNTAIN NATIONAL FOREST, THIS PROPERTY OFFERS A FINE LOCATION TO CONSTRUCT A SEASONAL HOME OR COTTAGE WITH IMMENSE PRIVACY AND OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. STUMPAGE VALUE SET AT $174K. FULL PROPERTY REPORT AVAILABLE.  
 
 Listed by:  Michael A Tragner
Fountains Real Estate, Inc  
Style: Recreational  
Roads: Private
 
Water:
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 20647440  
Lot Size: 474.00  
 
 
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 09:54:35 pm »

yet another landaff piece $ 598 per acre

Land Listing -- Landaff NH
Listing Reference Number: 151224
Style: Residential   List Price: $346800.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: - COBBLE HILL RD
 
A MULTIPLE USE FOREST ADJACENT TO THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF WHITE MOUNTAIN NATIONAL FOREST WILDERNESS, PROVIDING IMMENSE PRIVACY, GREAT VIEWS AND HOME SITE POSSIBILITY. STUMPAGE VALUE SET AT $96K. FULL PROPERTY REPORT AVAILABLE.  
 
 Listed by:  Michael A Tragner
Fountains Real Estate, Inc  
Style: Residential  
Roads: Public
 
Water:
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 25264800  
Lot Size: 580.00  
 
 
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2004, 09:56:47 pm »

$600 per acre

Land Listing -- Monroe NH
Listing Reference Number: 150834
Style: Recreational   List Price: $337800.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: - CANAAN RD (UNMARKED)
 
A MULTIPLE USE FOREST, SITUATED AT THE EDGE OF THE CONN RIVER VALLEY, WITH GOOD VIEWS OF THE WHITE MTS AND VT TO THE WEST. PROPERTY IS WELL SUITED TO SEASONAL HOME CONSTRUCTION, RECREATION AND REAL ESTATE/TIMBERLAND INVESTMENT. STUMPAGE VALUE $136,000  
 
 Listed by:  Michael A Tragner
Fountains Real Estate, Inc  
Style: Recreational  
Roads: Public
 
Water:
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 24524280  
Lot Size: 563.00  
 
 
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2004, 10:06:21 pm »

$655 per acre
says not buildable maybe some homework would dig up why
Land Listing --
Listing Reference Number: 170505
Style: Recreational   List Price: $22900.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: - CUBLEIGH HILL RD.
 
NOT A BUILDING LOT BUT GREAT LOCATION FOR HUNTING CAMP OR OFF ROAD VEHICLE USE. OWNER FINANCING AVAILABLE. TERMS NEGOTIABLE. NO TIMBER VALUE.  
 
 Listed by:  Fred Blais
Blais & Associates, Realtors  
Style: Recreational  
Roads: Public
 
Water: Other specify in rmr
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 1524600  
Lot Size: 35.00  
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2004, 10:09:10 pm »

$500 per acre...looks like needs some access agreements from the neighbors is all.

Land Listing -- Marlow NH
Listing Reference Number: 149366
Style: Timberland   List Price: $29000.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: 0 WASHINGTON POND ROAD
 
BACK LOT. NO FRONTAGE. POTENTIAL FOR LOGGING.  
 
 Listed by:  Andrew Monahan
Greenwald Realty Assoc.  
Style: Timberland  
Roads: Limited Access Hiway
 
Water:
 
Electric: At Street
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 2526480  
Lot Size: 58.00  
 
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2004, 10:12:48 pm »

$905 per acre..total price easily split 4 ways

small piece at 20 acres and again not buildable (maybe just needs some homework)

Land Listing -- Swanzey NH
Listing Reference Number: 168141
Style: Recreational   List Price: $18000.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: 0FF RABBIT HOLLOW ROAD
 
NOT A BUILDING LOT. GREAT GETAWAY WITH YOUR 4X4 OR ATV. ABUTTING LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OWNED BY TOWN. POTENTIAL FOR 20 MORE ACRES TO MAKE A 40 ACRE PARCEL.  
 
 Listed by:  Ruth Hayn
Shamrock Real Estate, Inc.  
Style: Recreational  
Roads: Seasonal
 
Water: On Site Septic Neede
 
Electric: None
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 866843  
Lot Size: 19.90  
 
 
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2004, 10:15:54 pm »

how bout a little piece $909 per acre
Land Listing -- Westmoreland NH
Listing Reference Number: 139579
Style: Other Specify in Rem   List Price: $7900.00  
 
 
 
 
Location: OFF DAGGART HILL ROAD
 
RECREATION LOT GREAT FOR HUNTING, CAMPING. SNOWMOBILE NH#5 GOES RIGHT PAST THIS PROPERTY  
 
 Listed by:  Jeannette Duhaime
Greenwald Realty Assoc.  
Style: Other Specify in Rem  
Roads: Private
 
Water:
 
Electric: Other specify in rmr
 
Gas: None
 
Sq Ft: 378971  
Lot Size: 8.70  
 
 
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2004, 10:27:21 pm »

What are you planning on doing with the land?
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 03:46:57 pm »

Kat you asked "what I planned on doing with the land"

Kat I plan on living on a part of it...the purpose of a buyers group is that while individually we could afford 5-10 acres at $500 per acre...the only parcles that sell that cheap are huge and cost more than a single person can easily afford...thus we should pool our money and buy in bulk to get the bulk discount.

members can do what ever they like with their share: log it keep it wild, build indivual homes on it, or sell it.   If some members of the buyers group choose to get contiguous pieces of the larger parcel and build a close knit village leaving a shared community commons I think it would be great...and Ill be the first to join.  but you don't have to if you dont want to.  

the details of things like lot choice, resale etc, would need to be hammered out by those invidual owners...but I'd like to discourage people getting into it solely for the purpose of land speculation, unless the profits can be shared equally amoungst the members...  

fairness should be our watchword
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2004, 11:08:28 am »

Zoning and subdivision issues are pretty much going to nix any of the southern NH plans you list above.  Recreational land listed as not buildable is not buildable for legal reasons (not necessarily because the land itself isn't suitable).  Property rights are *very* weak in New Hampshire.  Zoning and planning is downright obnoxious (some of the worst I've seen in the U.S.).  This is an area we really need to work on...

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2004, 12:14:25 pm »

Zoning and subdivision issues are pretty much going to nix any of the southern NH plans you list above.  Recreational land listed as not buildable is not buildable for legal reasons (not necessarily because the land itself isn't suitable).  Property rights are *very* weak in New Hampshire.  Zoning and planning is downright obnoxious (some of the worst I've seen in the U.S.).  This is an area we really need to work on...

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This is not at all to minimize Varrin's point that New Hampshire towns place new and onerous land use restrictions on property owners all the time, and the state statutes allow it to happen.  New Hampshire town bureaucrats may be worse busybodies in their neighbors' affairs, but I am not convinced that the basic law in NH is worse than most places with similar population densities.  I agree that property rights need to be strengthened, and the power of towns and the state to change the land use rules on property owners needs to be reduced or removed, but it is not quite as bad as Varrin's statement makes it sound to me, because many of the land use restrictions in NH are the result of exercising legitimate property rights.

There are many cases where land owners have sold an easement to a land trust, that prevents them or any future owners from developing the land.  This is, in my view, a situation where New Hampshire has stronger property rights than other states that do not allow this "multiplexing" of rights in real estate.  To me it demonstrates stronger property rights if you are able to separate the uses of a piece of land and convey one of the uses to another entity which may hold it in perpetuity, but which also has the right to dispose of it.

Another situation with NH real estate, which I would argue is a stronger property right is the current use tax rules.  If you have land that is "in current use", you pay very, very little in the way of property taxes on it, but then when you take it out of current use, like to build a house on it, you have to pay a steep tax penalty.  Parcels of land in current use would not be advertised as "unbuildable", but this is another pitfall, buyers of land need to be aware of.  Under current rules you cannot put a parcel smaller than 10 acres into current use, though in the past, this clearly was not true, because there are a lot of smaller parcels out there which enjoy current use status.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2004, 06:41:39 pm »

How many 'temporary' RV's can you park on an 'unbuildable' or recreational property and for how long?
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