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Topic: Possible alternative to shadow ads? (Read 3412 times)
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kater
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I don't want to imply that anything is wrong with shadow ads, but we do appear to have more ideas than we can (either logically or financially) follow through on quickly enough to catch the story (and the public outrage).
I'd like to suggest that we consider shifting some shadow ad ideas to flyer campaigns. This could be particularly effective when we have a story in a town with some FSP activists who could act as a rapid response team.
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rodschmidt
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Some shadow ads must be in video form to be most effective.
Create the shadow ads in online-viewable form (JPG or whatever), put them on a web page, then put the URL on the flyers and hand them out.
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kater
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I think I'd disagree in principle, but I'm all for competition of ideas. If someone will do it, give it a try.
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jgmaynard
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Hey Kate: What we're doing is running lots of ideas past our members, and seeing which one(s) really catch fire. That's why there's more ideas than we can possibly work with. We're letting the free market take it's course, and seeing which government "wins" our attention.  If you see something you want to do a pamphlet for, try putting a draft of it together, and post up in this thread somewhere. You'll either get people offering to donate, or the thread will die in obscurity like so many of mine have. lol. Personally, I am of the opinion that web ads are probably going to be most effective (due to the fact that is the easiest way for people to reach us), but if you have a great pamphlet in mind, and a great group of people to pass it out to, let us know on here, and we'll see what kind of support it gets from our loving members/donors. :d JM |
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kater
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Okay, how about banners? I see the competition argument, but frankly it seems pretty clear that a lot of fine opportunities just aren't making it to completion. Not throwing stones, just offering alternatives.
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jgmaynard
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Banners are a good idea as well, if you have a great place to display them, and you get media coverage out of it. Of course, the advantage of internet based ads for an organization such is ours is that we only need to get people's attention, and they can click on us right there. If they see a banner, or a pamphlet they get downtown, then they're going to have to remember the name, even through any other errands they might be running that day, get to their computer (and not every house has those even), find the website (even if they remember the address they were given, I am ASTOUNDED at the number of people who don't realize they can just type it into the bar!). See what I mean? And I don't think you're throwing stones at all. There's just so many abuses of government power that there's no way we can hit them all. So, it seems to me (and I had a conversation with Kat about this), that the free market is probably the best way to decide which ones to run. And we can only match funds, so we need to find which ads have people willing to donate to them, and how much. Now with that in mind, people are more willing to donate when they see a specific project and goals. e.g, "Let's donate money to an ad to get members here, because..." won't get as many people willing to back it as "Here's an ad I designed for this area, because... It will cost $X to run bla bla bla". So for ANYONE who sees an opportunity like this that allows us to run a shadow ad, put together what you can, get the info out here ASAP, and hopefully, we can get a faster turnaround on these things. Take care. JM |
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JoyBeth76
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Not 100% sure here but I think the banners that Kater mentioned may have been internet ad banners, they can be clicked on to get to the site or for further info. Sounds like a great idea to me!
I'm new to these forums, looking for others who think like I do about Government and the role they should play in our lives.
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jgmaynard
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Welcome, Joy. Hope you get to meet a lot of great people here. At first I though Kate might have meant banner ads, but the thread started right after we did a banner ad, and was originally about pamphlets, so I might have thought too much about it, but I became convinced Kate meant physical banners. I could be wrong. Some hints for dealing with this unruly crowd:  1) Most people on here are incredible people, most of whom have meet in person after a year or two of communicating every day on the net, so we can be as close or viscious as siblings. Really. 2) Threads often get off topic. This can be very frustrating if you've started a thread you are really interested in responses to, and it goes off in some other direction. 3) We have a group of 6,100 independently minded people. Therfore, any problems will be solved by over 8,000 solutions.  4) When we meet in person, there's certain to be several kinds of micro-brewed beers available. 5) Some of us have been here a long time, others have been here forever. 6) Even when we disagree, we almost always respect each others opinions, <bill murray voice>So we got that going for us. Which is nice </bill murray voice> 7) Opinions are always respected. Personal attacks are not. 8 ) Don't EVER play Keith Murphy in cards. 9) Dave Mincin is the friendliest guy in the world. 10) Have fun, and I hope you found a new home. JM |
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« Last Edit: November 08, 2004, 11:18:07 pm by jgmaynard »
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RidleyReport
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Here's one thought with regard to shadow ads. Since we are a group of strong willed individualists, we probably are not ideally suited for collective action or teamwork, both of which are required to put a shadow ad together and get it published. That's why we've only published a few of them, I suspect. However we do excel at individual action...and fortunately there is a type of shadow advertising you can do alone.
When a shadow ad type event takes place somewhere, you can simply visit web forums in that area and post a message there inviting the victims to New Hampshire.
Or you can even visit a national web forum, raise the issue and let everyone know the FSP welcomes Shadow Event vicitms to New Hampshire. This is the path I prefer to follow myself, but more power to all who are able to work together well.
This is an ideal job for anyone who is not yet in New Hampshire but wants us to succeed.
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« Last Edit: November 09, 2004, 09:40:51 am by Dada Orwell »
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kater
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Ah, leave it to me to not even think of the Internet version of what I was talking about... I did mean physical banners, probably tied up on overpasses above major traffic areas. My point was actually to offer an alternative to FSP-HQ-funded offenses here, and unleash the creative and activist potential of individuals and local groups who might be interested in pursuing these opportunities, particularly if the stories arise in their areas. Competition is great, but frankly at this point I'd rather see competition of actions than competition of ideas. Not everything has to get HQ money or approval, or even merits discussion on the forum. I'm interested in getting folks to do. I'm also a bit skeptical of putting all of our eggs in the Internet basket. I know--we've had some success there, but if we want our numbers to go up, I think we need to reach out to a new crowd, and that may mean actually creating things that don't involve pixels. I happen to be a fan of the cheap variety of tangible things, so banners and flyers are my notions of first resort. |
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JoyBeth76
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TY for the warm welcome JM and also for the heads up as to the kind of people that I'm getting in with{(com)passionate, intelligent and ready to take action!} Sounds like I have indeed found a new home and I hope I can move in soon! I look forward to getting to know all of you, my future neighbors  BTY...The banners on overpasses and other such places are a very good idea, I hadn't even thought of anything like that! |
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JoyBeth76
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TY it's great to be here!
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