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Topic: Free State Project on LP.ORG! (Read 7860 times)
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SteveA
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"Fruitless, born a thousand times, lies barren. Unguided inspiration, yields random motion, circumscribed in destination, going nowhere. Guidance uninspired, always true in facing, stands immobile. But fixed upon that destination firmly and with inspiration lofted; beget your dreams."
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Nice story! Thanks for finding that.
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Audio signature (MP3) "Experience has shown that it is difficult, if not impossible, for a populous state to be run by good laws." --Aristotle, The Politics
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lloydbob1
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Great!
I see that they don't have links, but, a link on their website to ours would be Cool!
Lloyd
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LeRuineur6
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From the article:
"New Englanders in general and New Hampshirites in particular are very stubborn, and they're very suspicious of flatlanders moving in from out of state," he said. Because of this, Porcupines moving to the state need to make one point very clear, he said: "We're moving here to be left alone, not to change things." And Barnes has some sage advice for FSP immigrants: "When you move here, the first thing you want to do is become a good citizen in the eyes of your neighbors. "Help out with a church charity, start a business or get a good job, and above all, listen to people. After you've been here for a while and have proven that you're willing to help and that you're primarily interested in freedom, people will begin to listen to you. "Put politics aside for a while and enjoy yourself."
This is so very, VERY true. John Barnes is a genius. Be the best neighbor you can be. Come to enjoy New Hampshire's freedom, to contribute, and to be left alone, at least for the time being. Think charity, volunteerism, non-political community organizations and committees, or just relax for a while. Do not even think about coming here with political guns blazing. You will be thrown out with Monday morning's trash. Eventually, if or when people accept you as a local, then you can start with the pointless political battles. For now, non-political action should be your goal.You have to live here to understand the New Hampshire attitude. People here are almost as poky as we are in the FSP!  |
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Please donate $5 to $10 per month to the Liberty Scholarship Fund!"Noncooperation is intended to pave the way to real, honorable, and voluntary cooperation based on mutual respect and trust." -Gandhi
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Old Nick
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How in the hell do you expect to accomplish anything without joining the political process??
And people like rdeacon call ME a purist. I'm a goddamned moderate compared to you people. And it's sad, because I like most who are of your disposition on a personal level...
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God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."
-- George W. Bush to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, July 2003
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thegotoguy
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you can join the political process under the radar screen by being a stamp licker for one of the local libertarian candidates.
just don't go in and start shooting your mouth off at town meetings until the neighbors get to know you.
I think that was the point.
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Live Free Or Die
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How in the hell do you expect to accomplish anything without joining the political process??
Exactly. If you're moving there to not vote, all I can do is shake my head. It's a shame more Libertarians don't have a greater sense of realism. |
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Can we move Wall Street to New Hampshire?
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LeRuineur6
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sigh...
Alright, fine. Come in here with guns blazing and see what happens.
Oh wait, the FTP was already disbanded after 50% of Grafton locals verbally attacked them at a town meeting.
The "guns blazing" idea just doesn't work. If you don't believe me, then find out for yourself when you move.
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Please donate $5 to $10 per month to the Liberty Scholarship Fund!"Noncooperation is intended to pave the way to real, honorable, and voluntary cooperation based on mutual respect and trust." -Gandhi
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Old Nick
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What?? I'm just talking about running and voting.
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« Last Edit: August 17, 2004, 01:20:27 pm by Old Nick »
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God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."
-- George W. Bush to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, July 2003
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Amanda
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How in the hell do you expect to accomplish anything without joining the political process??
The point is to do that later, after you're established and you're a part of your community. Just don't be the clueless newcomer who's trying to change everything all at once. Wait a bit and get the lay of the land first. That's all. |
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"The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations." -- David D Friedman, The Machinery of Freedom
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bookish_lass
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How in the hell do you expect to accomplish anything without joining the political process??
Exactly. If you're moving there to not vote, all I can do is shake my head. It's a shame more Libertarians don't have a greater sense of realism. Here's a list, off the top of my head, of possible things which can be done without voting: - Provide private alternatives to public services, example: The Liberty Scholarship Fund, designed to help kids escape the public school system
- Recall corrupt politicians
- Bring suit against public officials who violate citizen's rights
- Learn what your rights are, and do what you're entitled to, despite unconstitutional laws
- Expose corruption in politics to public scrutiny
- Remove yourself from dependencies on government
- Protest anti-liberty activities (such as the Rep/Dem national conventions)
I'm sure there are many others. Don't think that those who don't vote necessarily do it out of laziness. I know many who don't vote out of principle. Try this thread:
Voting is an Act of Violence(Speaking only for myself, not the FSP.) |
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« Last Edit: August 17, 2004, 01:35:36 pm by bookish_lass »
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jgmaynard
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I think that there's a happy medium here.
If you go in guns blazing, screaming about ending public schools, and not about introducing and encouraging better private and home schooling first, that's not good.
But, not even voting is also silly, imho... You're a citizen here! Vote! Put a sign on your yard for a local candidate... Lick stamps, donate, help put out (and collect) signs, help pass out flyers door to door. No one is going to hold a town meeting to oppose newcomers handing out flyers door to door.
Just my $.02... ($0.01638654e865 after taxes)
JM
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The Light of Alexandria By James Maynard A history of the first 1,000 years of science, and how it changed the ancient world, and our world today. http://www.lightofalexandria.com
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1DayAtATime
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From the article:
"New Englanders in general and New Hampshirites in particular are very stubborn, and they're very suspicious of flatlanders moving in from out of state," he said.
Because of this, Porcupines moving to the state need to make one point very clear, he said: "We're moving here to be left alone, not to change things."
And Barnes has some sage advice for FSP immigrants: "When you move here, the first thing you want to do is become a good citizen in the eyes of your neighbors.
"Help out with a church charity, start a business or get a good job, and above all, listen to people. After you've been here for a while and have proven that you're willing to help and that you're primarily interested in freedom, people will begin to listen to you.
"Put politics aside for a while and enjoy yourself."
That is similar to what lots of people on this forum have been saying for many months. Of course, you have to prove up first (look at what happened to that guy from MA that went into his first town meeting and tried to educate everyone. Clearly people wanted to beat him up because he was out of control. He missed the whole point in his Lewrockwell.com article.) Politics comes second. Part of being a good activists is being a good person. No one wants a stranger to get in their face and tell them what they do is wrong. Now, if a good friend does it, and in a very nice way, that is a different story. About running for office right way. Sure, do it if you want, but that is not the 'proper' way to do it. You need to become known and liked in your community. Become a member or leader of several local groups. That is a common and often useful path to getting elected. People that do what Hillary Clinton and Alan Keyes do are often not liked by a large group of swing voters from the start. |
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« Last Edit: August 17, 2004, 03:20:29 pm by NH Bound »
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SteveA
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It's easy to forget that people you meet likely aren't very politically involved (someday we might get to the point where there's no need for people to even have to worry about politics. That would be nice) and if you've been active in politics or discuss it a lot, it's not unlikely someone else will feel like you jumped into the middle of a conversation they never had with you  Just something to consider ... (Yes, I'm saying this because I've been guilty of it) |
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« Last Edit: August 18, 2004, 01:01:55 am by SteveA »
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"Fruitless, born a thousand times, lies barren. Unguided inspiration, yields random motion, circumscribed in destination, going nowhere. Guidance uninspired, always true in facing, stands immobile. But fixed upon that destination firmly and with inspiration lofted; beget your dreams."
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mvpel
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One of the town councellors of Bedford related the tale of his first election, some 28 years ago - he was one of 12 running for 10 seats, and his name starts with an "A", so he figured he was a safe bet for winning.
He called the town clerk the next day, and she told him he'd come in 11th. When he expressed surprise, she asked how long he'd been living here. When he told her, she replied in a laconic New Hampshire tone, "You can't expect to win an election if you've only been here two years."
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