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Topic: Jitters of a NH Native (Read 11542 times)
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MaineShark
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Antistate is a "she", her name is Julia. Her home is in Windham, NH, and she attends college at McDaniel College near Baltimore Maryland. I believe she is the one who actually protested Liberty Forum some time ago. She appears really big on protesting just about anything. She's dyed-in-the-wool communist; I don't think she's quite figured out what she actually means by that. Interesting? Anything to back that up? I don't necessarily disagree - just hadn't heard that, before. Of all my time involved with the FSP and living in NH, I've never heard anyone use that phrase to describe it. Make sure you know what it means. No, he's correct. That sentiment has been expressed by quite a few, particularly when the "Free Town Project" controversy was in full swing, and certain nuts were explicitly saying they were going to take over. They figured such rhetoric would attract movers ("we're going to take over and win! join us!"), but apparently didn't consider how current residents might take such language. I think everyone involved in that behavior pretty much left, though. And, as you later note, even if all 20k moved, tomorrow, there's no way that we could take over. At 20k, we'd need to each convince at least five natives to go along with us, in order to control an election. Those who move must try to convince those who already live here; we will never be in a position to control things. I think it matters a lot more how you want to frame the issues. Some people are saying, "Help? FINALLY." Others are running for the hills, prophesying the End Times. Yup. I was overjoyed to be getting some help. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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Jerry
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Maybe you could look at us as a group who want to move to NH to counterbalance all the stupid socialist ideas that the Massholes are trying to foist on NH.
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B.D. Ross
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Antistate is a "she", her name is Julia. Her home is in Windham, NH, and she attends college at McDaniel College near Baltimore Maryland. I believe she is the one who actually protested Liberty Forum some time ago. She appears really big on protesting just about anything. She's dyed-in-the-wool communist; I don't think she's quite figured out what she actually means by that. Interesting? Anything to back that up? I don't necessarily disagree - just hadn't heard that, before. Just her own statements, blog ( http://propagandalalaland.blogspot.com/), facebook, comments on various sites on the internet, admin records from this site. I don't know for certain if she protested LF one year. Someone told me she did--I don't really care either way. At that time, I do recall the irony (to some freestaters) of the situation was that someone wanted to protest LF--for no particular reason. She seems to enjoy protesting for its own sake *shrug*. But I'm 100% it was her. If you go back through some of her posts on this site, you'll see where I finally get annoyed and ask her, "Are you a FSP participant?" Which is kind of a joke at this point. Kinda like a reverse astroturfing, I suppose. Of all my time involved with the FSP and living in NH, I've never heard anyone use that phrase to describe it. Make sure you know what it means. No, he's correct. That sentiment has been expressed by quite a few, particularly when the "Free Town Project" controversy was in full swing, and certain nuts were explicitly saying they were going to take over. They figured such rhetoric would attract movers ("we're going to take over and win! join us!"), but apparently didn't consider how current residents might take such language. I think everyone involved in that behavior pretty much left, though. I was referring to "carpetbaggers". The Free Town Project? I'm pretty sure the crazies left. ... but, something that doesn't get broadcast is how loose and unorganized the "Free State Movement" is. There is no one claiming to further that cause as a sole organization or entity--not that I know of. And the Free State Project and the Free Town Project? Not reeeeally related. Kinda like the Free Keene Movement. Not related to the FSP. The similar name is a thorn in my side, since I really want nothing to do with that mess. |
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« Last Edit: December 02, 2011, 04:24:03 pm by B.D. Ross »
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JasonPSorens
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FWIW, antistate is definitely from McDaniel College, as an IP lookup confirms. It is an interesting question whether the mods should allow trolls who pose as FSP participants in order to try to discredit the movement.
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Audio signature (MP3) "Experience has shown that it is difficult, if not impossible, for a populous state to be run by good laws." --Aristotle, The Politics
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robin.freiheit
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After discovering the Free State Project (Whilst cruising 30,000 ft. over the Atlantic, I overheard some tattooed neo-gothic critter talking about 'relocating' to New Hampshire), I felt this strange sense of unease, not unlike what the Romans must have felt when the Visigoths came a knockin' way back in 410 C.E. This strange sense of unease (see previous statements concerning those mostly inconsequential VEF's) prompted me to do some quick and dirty research concerning all things FSP.
How long ago was this flight? I can't help but picture myself on one of my flights from Germany to the states sitting around with my tattoos, dyed hair and eyeliner creeping people out about NH now.  |
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MaineShark
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Just her own statements, blog ( http://propagandalalaland.blogspot.com/), facebook, comments on various sites on the internet, admin records from this site. I don't know for certain if she protested LF one year. Someone told me she did--I don't really care either way. At that time, I do recall the irony (to some freestaters) of the situation was that someone wanted to protest LF--for no particular reason. She seems to enjoy protesting for its own sake *shrug*. But I'm 100% it was her. If you go back through some of her posts on this site, you'll see where I finally get annoyed and ask her, "Are you a FSP participant?" Which is kind of a joke at this point. Kinda like a reverse astroturfing, I suppose. I'm aware of Julia. Just hadn't heard of the Julia/"antistate1190" link. I was referring to "carpetbaggers". The term's been used. Not recently, in my experience, but there was lots of vitriol at certain points. The Free Town Project? I'm pretty sure the crazies left. Well, those specific crazies, anyway. There are certainly some crazies who have since moved to Grafton. Also some really awesome folks, too. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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MaineShark
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It is an interesting question whether the mods should allow trolls who pose as FSP participants in order to try to discredit the movement. If someone actually, falsely claims to be a participant, that would be fraudulent, and should not be allowed. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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Skeptikos
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And even if they do have problems with us, I say screw them and move anyway. I came to this forum after listening to a piece on FSM this morning on NPR, where the spokesman made a few statements that didn't really help to ease my concerns about this project as a NH resident. (e.g., "We just want to come to NH and make it the awesome place that it is." Huh?) Antistate is a "she"; her name is Julia. Her home is in Windham, NH (I think), and she attends school at McDaniel College near Baltimore Maryland. I believe she is the one who actually protested Liberty Forum some time ago. She appears really big on protesting just about anything. She's dyed-in-the-wool communist; maybe for this week? I don't think she's quite figured out much of what she believes. Except there's injustice in the world; she's the virtuous agent of change; and that somehow means holding a placard. She has nothing particularly good to say about the FSP anywhere else on the Internet. Except on this forum. Where she appears to pretend to be an interested participant. But usually ends up posting some pretty ridiculous things. Which I've always suspected are intentionally posted just to scare other people off. If you go back through some of her posts on this site, you'll see where I finally get annoyed and ask her, "Are you a FSP participant?" Which is kind of a joke at this point. Kinda like a reverse astroturfing, I suppose. FWIW, antistate is definitely from McDaniel College, as an IP lookup confirms. It is an interesting question whether the mods should allow trolls who pose as FSP participants in order to try to discredit the movement. Thanks for posting this. I tend to think of Julia as a friend, so I did not enjoy reading this, but it's better to know. Hopefully it's a different McDaniel College resident, and we are simply confused at the moment. |
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Dreepa
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Julia and her friend did come to LF 10 (or 09)... they put about 10 flyers on some tables in the hallway and then scampered away.
I was going to offer them a chance to talk to some real FSPers but... they left.
I think topics like these would be GREAT for the session called:
Free For ALL.... an unconference within the Liberty Forum. (no set schedule)
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sj
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FWIW, antistate is definitely from McDaniel College, as an IP lookup confirms. It is an interesting question whether the mods should allow trolls who pose as FSP participants in order to try to discredit the movement.
My vote is no. |
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Devin87
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Hi. I'm a born and bred New Hampshirite who just stumbled across this website today. I consider myself a Libertarian and so am very supportive of the cause of liberty. But I have to agree with the OP on some points. New Hampshirites are an interesting bunch. Yes, we are very freedom oriented (my little sister has Live Free or Die tattooed on her neck-- that's how seriously we take our motto). But we also like to keep to ourselves and we like having control of our home. Just from reading your main page, it almost seems like you want to get your people to come in and take over NH in order to get enough voting power to make it your own little country.
Now that may or may not be your true goal, but as a native New Hampshirite, that scares me and even makes me pretty mad. New Hampshire residents are proud of our state probably moreso than any other. And we don't like anyone who thinks they can come in and take us over and use us for their own political whims. We don't need anyone else to come in and "make us the awesome place we are" or whatever that condescending explanation was. We think we're doing a pretty good job of making ourselves awesome on our own, thank you very much.
I know you all don't agree and probably don't see yourselves in that light in the least bit, but as a NH resident just looking through your website for the first time that's my reaction and I'm sure would be the reaction of most other New Hampshirites were they to stumble across your website. And that's from a true, born and bred New Hampshire libertarian-- not a communist troll or whatever you're saying the original poster is.
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sj
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Hi. I'm a born and bred New Hampshirite who just stumbled across this website today. I consider myself a Libertarian and so am very supportive of the cause of liberty. But I have to agree with the OP on some points. New Hampshirites are an interesting bunch. Yes, we are very freedom oriented (my little sister has Live Free or Die tattooed on her neck-- that's how seriously we take our motto). But we also like to keep to ourselves and we like having control of our home. Just from reading your main page, it almost seems like you want to get your people to come in and take over NH in order to get enough voting power to make it your own little country.
Now that may or may not be your true goal, but as a native New Hampshirite, that scares me and even makes me pretty mad. New Hampshire residents are proud of our state probably moreso than any other. And we don't like anyone who thinks they can come in and take us over and use us for their own political whims. We don't need anyone else to come in and "make us the awesome place we are" or whatever that condescending explanation was. We think we're doing a pretty good job of making ourselves awesome on our own, thank you very much.
I know you all don't agree and probably don't see yourselves in that light in the least bit, but as a NH resident just looking through your website for the first time that's my reaction and I'm sure would be the reaction of most other New Hampshirites were they to stumble across your website. And that's from a true, born and bred New Hampshire libertarian-- not a communist troll or whatever you're saying the original poster is.
Thanks for your thoughts. I understand what you're saying. I hope that someday we can meet in person; I think the fear and apprehension would melt away in the face of our similarities. |
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Dreepa
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Hi. I'm a born and bred New Hampshirite who just stumbled across this website today. I consider myself a Libertarian and so am very supportive of the cause of liberty. But I have to agree with the OP on some points. New Hampshirites are an interesting bunch. Yes, we are very freedom oriented (my little sister has Live Free or Die tattooed on her neck-- that's how seriously we take our motto). But we also like to keep to ourselves and we like having control of our home. Just from reading your main page, it almost seems like you want to get your people to come in and take over NH in order to get enough voting power to make it your own little country.
Now that may or may not be your true goal, but as a native New Hampshirite, that scares me and even makes me pretty mad. New Hampshire residents are proud of our state probably moreso than any other. And we don't like anyone who thinks they can come in and take us over and use us for their own political whims. We don't need anyone else to come in and "make us the awesome place we are" or whatever that condescending explanation was. We think we're doing a pretty good job of making ourselves awesome on our own, thank you very much.
I know you all don't agree and probably don't see yourselves in that light in the least bit, but as a NH resident just looking through your website for the first time that's my reaction and I'm sure would be the reaction of most other New Hampshirites were they to stumble across your website. And that's from a true, born and bred New Hampshire libertarian-- not a communist troll or whatever you're saying the original poster is.
come to the liberty forum and meet many FSPers.. (and hear some great speakers) www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum |
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Denis Goddard
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Hi. I'm a born and bred New Hampshirite who just stumbled across this website today. I consider myself a Libertarian
Bear in mind the Free State Project exists purely to get libertarian-types to move to new Hampshire. It then takes NO POSITION on what they should do once they get here. Many of us who are politically active are involved with the NH Liberty Alliance (NHLA). If you want to see libertarian principles in action in NH, and want to meet up with NH natives and free-staters who are making those changes, then you owe it to yourself to check out the NHLA: http://nhliberty.org |
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garthwaited
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To sum this entire monster of a post up, all I'm asking is for y'all to be considerate when you get here.
This. |
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