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Topic: Is LVT a violation of ZAP? (Read 2592 times)
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Morpheus
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Would you agree also, Bill, that it is Government that is the greatest pollutor of all?
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BillG
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You accuse us "Royal Libertarians" of denying the Right to Self-Ownership because we do not accept what you Georgists advocate. Are you aware, Bill, that the official Libertarian Party Platform calls for the punishment of those who cause pollution and, thereby, bring harm to all human beings?
Doesn't that blow your mind...
No not really because the range of issues that can be successfully adjudicated in the courts (all the while conservatives are placing caps on awards) is so small to make this almost meaningless... I would be much more impressed if Libertarians asserted that pollution was purely an issue of trespass via the principle of self-ownership. In other words, I gave no one permission to deposit their particulate matter in my lungs no matter if I am harmed or not...I own my body - I decide! But since that is not going to happen I believe after reading up on freemarket environmentalism over the last 10 years and the assertion of private property rights trumping our common rights that we need to get back to the original classical liberal view that made a clear distinction between property from the fruits of one's labor and government granted priviledge... Equal access for all & priviledge for none!!!! |
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BillG
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Would you agree also, Bill, that it is Government that is the greatest pollutor of all?
Yes, the communist countries were environmental nightmares... |
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Tracy Saboe
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Libertarians asserted that pollution was purely an issue of trespass They DO. And in Utah companies that were poluting had to pay restitution to clayments. The example of that is in Chapter 10, Marketing Garbage. of Free MArket Environmentalism. And polution tracking technologies are now even better capible of tracking polution to make the one who did it pay for the clean up and restitution. Tracy |
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LeopardPM
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I would be much more impressed if Libertarians asserted that pollution was purely an issue of trespass via the principle of self-ownership. In other words, I gave no one permission to deposit their particulate matter in my lungs no matter if I am harmed or not...I own my body - I decide!
I haven't thought out the full implications yet, but I am definitely leaning towards this assertian - pollution is a form of aggression upon those exposed to it. For now, I agree with you in this statement, but I cannot yet debate against the opposing view due to my lack of thought on it... Equal access for all & priviledge for none!!!! Hail the new socialist cry! isn't this just another way of restating the basic tenents of communism, BillG? How about this revision... Equal only in the eyes of the law, freedom to succeed or fail based upon the natural consequences of one's actions!Now THAT is a Warcry that deserves to be heard! michael |
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nothing to say...
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So, if all land is legally claimed because private land tenure is the most efficient and beneficial then one must compete for access by leasing it from the landowner. This economic scarcity rent occurs naturally by attaching to a location and pre-exists the concept of government. Correct?
What?  Are you speaking English? |
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Please donate $5 to $10 per month to the Liberty Scholarship Fund!"Noncooperation is intended to pave the way to real, honorable, and voluntary cooperation based on mutual respect and trust." -Gandhi
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Patrick: Prove that this "rightful debt" exists. Bill: First let's agree that the use of force to collect a rightful debt is justified... Patrick: Agreed Bill: Are we in agreement that we (man) do not "produce" land/space/location therefore land/space/location are NOT resulting from the fruits of anyone's labor? can we please agree on that first? Patrick: Man did not produce land/space/location - agreed. Land pre-exists human beings. Bill: Land is the common property of all humanity. Patrick: Prove it. Bill: well how about our air? is that common property that we all have an inalienable, individual equal access right to? Patrick: RS has convinced me that we have a common right to air. But how do you get from that to land? So, if all land is legally claimed because private land tenure is the most efficient and beneficial then one must compete for access by leasing it from the landowner. This economic scarcity rent occurs naturally by attaching to a location and pre-exists the concept of government. Correct? Sorry but I don't uphold private property in land rights because it "is the most efficient and beneficial." I am not an egalitarian. I am not a utilitarian. I do not place the "good of society" above the good of the individual. My basis for land rights is the right of the individual to exist for his/her own sake. The deepest value possible is the value of a person's life to that person. Now, to prove your ideas (to me at least) you would need to ground them in my individualist philosophy of self-interest AND prove the claim that: "This economic scarcity rent occurs naturally by attaching to a location and pre-exists the concept of government." Can you do these two things? |
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"I came here to say that I do not recognize anyone’s right to one minute of my life. Nor to any part of my energy. Nor to any achievement of mine… I wished to come here and say that I am a man who does not exist for others." -Ayn Rand http://www.aynrand.orghttp://capitalism.org |
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