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Morpheus
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So you're a misogynist, a racial bigot, and a homophobe- a GAY homophobe.
You are seriously f&*ked up.
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Top Dollar
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Replacing legal marriage with civil union in all cases has been the best suggestion I've seen yet other than the ideal of treating everybody as individuals under the law. I first saw the suggestion in this forum somewhere, and it made sense to me. The civil unions should be open to any combination of genders and numbers as well. |
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Tracy Saboe
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I would agree with that. Treat the contract part simply under contractual law. Leave the definition of what constitutes marriage to let free people deside. Tracy Saboe Replacing legal marriage with civil union in all cases has been the best suggestion I've seen yet other than the ideal of treating everybody as individuals under the law. I first saw the suggestion in this forum somewhere, and it made sense to me. The civil unions should be open to any combination of genders and numbers as well. |
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Morpheus
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I side with Martha Sosman. Just relegate 'Marriage' to religion- its very origin- and rename the Legal Institution 'Civil Union'. Simple.
I, of course, do not expect that the Religious Reich will take this lying down. No, they will fight it to the very bitter end, as they are intent on maintaining what Governmental endorsement that they already have, and they will continue to fight for the complete and full transformation of the United States of America into a Judeo-Christian Theocracy.
It is fortunate that they are very weak within Massachusetts, and as such, as I am confident, will be defeated fairly easily therein as the war reaches its peak.
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thrivetacobell
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Hey Morpheus-
Thanks for the intolerance of intolerance!
Just for the sake of understanding, where could i find M. Sosmans views? Would marriage and civil unions both be open to opposite and same sex couples, and if not how will the 'equality' issue work itself out?
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"There is only one success - to be able to spend your life in your own way."
Chistopher Morley
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Morpheus
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Thanks for the intolerance of intolerance! So you are serious?? This is no joke?? |
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thrivetacobell
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C'mon now, gimme a little credit. Its just that i'm strictly an individualist and insomuch am against womens rights and gay rights and minority rights and peoples whose favorite day is saturday rights.
The comments were merely a response to Tracy Saboe's view that the term gay marriage is a contradiction (with every right) which I made in terms of 'To each his own' rather than 'I'd like to see more of this'.
Don't worry, buddy. I'm with you. You just had to ask!
What about M. Solsman?
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"There is only one success - to be able to spend your life in your own way."
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Blefuscu
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C'mon now, gimme a little credit. Its just that i'm strictly an individualist and insomuch am against womens rights and gay rights and minority rights and peoples whose favorite day is saturday rights.
The initial reason why people conceived of such things as women's rights, gay rights, minority rights, etc., is because these classes of people were historically or still are excluded from certain rights enjoyed by others. What these groups seek is equality, not special rights. |
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"Man will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last Priest" - Denis Diderot
"I like beer and ice cream, and I have other vices too." - Blefuscu
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Blefuscu
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"Man will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last Priest" - Denis Diderot
"I like beer and ice cream, and I have other vices too." - Blefuscu
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thrivetacobell
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Right on.
Now i'm only a freshman in community college, and don't feign to have the answer to everything, but..
In understanding what your saying, how would you respond to the argument that as soon as these groupings are established, it naturally sets them in conflict with one another?
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"There is only one success - to be able to spend your life in your own way."
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Justin
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The court's action is absolutely the correct method...if you understand the separation of powers, and if you understand that it does *not* have any direct impact on the other two branches. Their opinion will only matters if a case comes before it.
There you go again. Could you please explain the part about *not* having any direct impact on the other two branches? That just doesn't fit with my understanding, so I'd appreciate if you'd elaborate some. I'm prepared to consider that my understanding *may* be deficient. Sure. This hopefully will address both your and Keith's misunderstandings of the Separation of Powers... OK, thank you for the explanation, Justin. That sounds pretty odd to me. I want to absorb and research what you are saying before I concur or refute. I too thought it was quite different from what I was taught in school-- then I realized Thomas Jefferson's view was probably the more correct one.  Look forward to your replies. |
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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot
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Tracy Saboe
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Right on.
Now i'm only a freshman in community college, and don't feign to have the answer to everything, but..
In understanding what your saying, how would you respond to the argument that as soon as these groupings are established, it naturally sets them in conflict with one another?
I would agree with you, and say the proper libertarian solution would be to abolish those groupings, thereby rolling back government granted prilages and government power. Not expanding government, and making more groupings for some misguided notion of increasing "equality" (Whatever that means). Tracy |
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