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BillG
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unfortunately if one believes that nothing has "intrinsic" value then you have to prove some harm to the AnCaps.
This is why my position on pollution is more around common property rights for air and a need to pay economic scarcity rent from the owners then trying to prove harm after the fact...
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Mike Lorrey
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unfortunately if one believes that nothing has "intrinsic" value then you have to prove some harm to the AnCaps.
This is why my position on pollution is more around common property rights for air and a need to pay economic scarcity rent from the owners then trying to prove harm after the fact...
The problem is that you have some false assumptions. Firstly, you assume that nature made the land 'for all of us'. No, it didn't. The land was there long before we were a speck in the eye of evolution, and there is plenty of uninhabited land in the universe that has never seen a living thing or intelligent being to despoil its 'intrinsic value'. George was specifically a god fearing individual. What about those of us that don't believe in such a god. Are we barred from owning property, since we don't believe in Him, shouldn't we be excluded by god fearing Georgists from enjoying that which He created??? Even if one were to accept your argument about economic scarcity, such a principle would require that REAL economic scarcity be present in the market for such a scarcity tax to be imposed. There isn't any such scarcity present when the government holds a third of the land from the market, and a good chunk of the rest is held by anti-human organizations that do not pay taxes on their property. You would do much better arguing for proper accounting of positive and negative externalities. Scarcity of land may be one such negative externality, but only if there were actual scarcity present in a free and fair market. |
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RhythmStar
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unfortunately if one believes that nothing has "intrinsic" value then you have to prove some harm to the AnCaps.
This is why my position on pollution is more around common property rights for air and a need to pay economic scarcity rent from the owners then trying to prove harm after the fact...
Well, there are many facets to this issue. Personally, I don't think I need to demonstrate harm to my body from the presence of unbidden chemicals there, anymore than I have to demonstrate harm from the presence of a trespasser on my real estate -- if you believe in any sort of property rights, then you have to admit that I have the right to call such intrusions harmful in and of themselves and to seek (and rightfully obtain) legal satisfaction. RS |
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Irony is the innate perversity of circumstance. -- William House
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BillG
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unfortunately if one believes that nothing has "intrinsic" value then you have to prove some harm to the AnCaps.
This is why my position on pollution is more around common property rights for air and a need to pay economic scarcity rent from the owners then trying to prove harm after the fact...
Well, there are many facets to this issue. Personally, I don't think I need to demonstrate harm to my body from the presence of unbidden chemicals there, anymore than I have to demonstrate harm from the presence of a trespasser on my real estate -- if you believe in any sort of property rights, then you have to admit that I have the right to call such intrusions harmful in and of themselves and to seek (and rightfully obtain) legal satisfaction. RS is it in your opinion then an issue of force? and if so, then what is the legal remedy to achive satisfaction? to stop "such intrusions"? |
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RhythmStar
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unfortunately if one believes that nothing has "intrinsic" value then you have to prove some harm to the AnCaps.
This is why my position on pollution is more around common property rights for air and a need to pay economic scarcity rent from the owners then trying to prove harm after the fact...
Well, there are many facets to this issue. Personally, I don't think I need to demonstrate harm to my body from the presence of unbidden chemicals there, anymore than I have to demonstrate harm from the presence of a trespasser on my real estate -- if you believe in any sort of property rights, then you have to admit that I have the right to call such intrusions harmful in and of themselves and to seek (and rightfully obtain) legal satisfaction. RS is it in your opinion then an issue of force? Absolutely! and if so, then what is the legal remedy to achive satisfaction?
to stop "such intrusions"?
Well, 5 to 10 in the slammer at hard labor might be a start.  Why so harsh? The violation to my rights imposed by the real-estate trespasser is done when he quits the premises. The violation of my rights, and the rights of my children, imposed by these noxious chemicals can never be stopped, as we shall all go to our graves carrying them within us. RS |
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BillG
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The violation to my rights imposed by the real-estate trespasser is done when he quits the premises. The violation of my rights, and the rights of my children, imposed by these noxious chemicals can never be stopped, as we shall all go to our graves carrying them within us. Do you have to prove who trespassed in a court? If not, is there anything that can be done short of banning the product? |
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RhythmStar
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The violation to my rights imposed by the real-estate trespasser is done when he quits the premises. The violation of my rights, and the rights of my children, imposed by these noxious chemicals can never be stopped, as we shall all go to our graves carrying them within us. Do you have to prove who trespassed in a court? If not, is there anything that can be done short of banning the product? Since most of these substances are the subject of US Patents, I would think that the culprit is as plain as day, under the light of the gas chromatograph. RS |
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Since most of these substances are the subject of US Patents, I would think that the culprit is as plain as day, under the light of the gas chromatograph. AHA! Now I know how you know where the pesticides are! You cheat!  |
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"I'm trying to free your mind, but I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."- Morpheous, The Matrix
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