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Topic: Walter Williams and the AP (Read 1708 times)
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Stumpy
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« Last Edit: December 17, 2003, 06:51:17 am by Doug Hillman »
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Libertarianitis - A disease where one is incapable of doing anything other than debate. The sufferer is rendered totally incapable of being constructive and constantly marginalizes him or herself by displays of extreme negativity, bitterness and intransigence.
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Thanks for the links Doug. The last one needs to be fixed though. "Governments who overstep their constitutional bounds should beware that when they do, we're going to be right behind them to recruit their citizens from under them," Nice quote John. What is it with being dissed by the LP here. If you can't (or won't) say anything nice..... It must be a "herding cats" thing. |
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"Responsibility is a unique concept. It can only reside and inhere in a single individual. You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you. You may disclaim it, but you cannot divest yourself of it." - Admiral Hyman Rickover
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Thanks for the links Doug. The last one needs to be fixed though. Thanks. |
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Libertarianitis - A disease where one is incapable of doing anything other than debate. The sufferer is rendered totally incapable of being constructive and constantly marginalizes him or herself by displays of extreme negativity, bitterness and intransigence.
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I read capitalism magazine articles every day, (WW contributes there often) so I'm pretty happy to see someone I read often actually mention the FSP! I'm going to email him and tell him (something).
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Happiness is fleeting
When your heart is barely beating
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Doug wrote: << Please everyone, email your local talk show hosts and send him or her these links. Also, consider calling their shows to discuss the FSP.>> Done. Everyone feel free to use this note as a template. I sent it to my local talk host Charley Jones. --- Charley: I know you've covered the Free State Project from time to time and thought you might be interested to know they are back in the news today 2 months after that big media frenzy surrounding their choice of New Hampshire. Walter Williams wrote an article about them today and so did the Associated Press on Dec. 16: Williams: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36189AP: http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/7506186.htmThe stuff that *isn't* being reported on much (which you could always go after and have it more or less to yourself) is: 1) There is some friction between the FSP and the national LP as well as some of the state LP's. Some of the Free Staters are happy about this because it puts distance between us and a party that is best known for its dedication to electoral failure. For good or ill, that friction seems to be subsiding. 2) There is a growing Dallas group that now meets every month, most of whom are planning to make the escape from this increasingly authoritarian city. 3) Current Free Stater count in NH is about 220, which means NH now has 10 times as many Free Staters per capita as the average U.S. State. (Total membership is 5200, about twice what it was when you featured us last) Should you wish to nail down an FSP spokesperson for chit chat head to http://www.freestateproject.org/about/for_the_press.jspConsider this e-mail public. Thanks as always for all you do Charley. We love ya. (Then I listed my name and phone and city of location since I am near him) |
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« Last Edit: December 17, 2003, 11:22:15 pm by Dada Orwell »
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More and more, when faced with the world of men, the only reaction is one of individualism. Man alone is an end unto himself. Everything one tries to do for the common good ends in failure. -- Albert Camus
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Here's the text from the new WW article (Dec. 24) --- A fortnight ago, in "Let's Do Some Detective Work," I provided unassailable evidence that Congress had vastly exceeded powers delegated to it by our Constitution. In last week's column, "Getting Back Our Liberties," I argued that liberties lost are seldom regained, but there was an outside chance to regain them if enough liberty-minded Americans were to pursue Free State Project's proposal to set up New Hampshire as a free state. Free State Project ( www.freestateproject.org) intends to get 20,000 or so Americans to move to New Hampshire and, through a peaceful political process, reduce burdensome taxation and regulation, reform state and local law, end federal mandates, and attempt to restore constitutional federalism as envisioned by the nation's founders. Since there was only a remote possibility that we could successfully negotiate with Congress, the Courts and White House to obey the U.S. Constitution, I speculated that liberty could only be realized by a unilateral declaration of independence -- namely, part company. Quite a few readers criticized the idea, calling secession unconstitutional. Let's look at it. On March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, "No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States." Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York, Thomas B. Florence of Pennsylvania and Otis S. Ferry of Connecticut proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession. Here's my no-brainer question: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional? I'm guessing, no. But there's more evidence. The ratification documents of Virginia, New York and Rhode Island explicitly said that they held the right to resume powers delegated should the federal government become abusive of those powers. There's more evidence. At the 1787 constitutional convention, a proposal was made to allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison, the father of our constitution, rejected it, saying: "A Union of the States containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a State would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound." Professor Thomas DiLorenzo, in his revised "The Real Lincoln," provides abundant evidence in the forms of quotations from our Founders and numerous newspaper accounts that prove that Americans always took the right of secession for granted. Plus, secession was not an idea that had its origins in the South. Infuriated by Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase, in 1803, the first secessionist movement started in New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and other New England states. Every single bit of evidence shows that states have a right to secede. There's absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits secession. What stops secession is the brute force of a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Only one thing good came out of that war. It eliminated slavery. It's had a devastating legacy for future generations of Americans, in that since the issue of secession was brutally settled, the federal government is free to run roughshod over the safeguards envisioned by the Framers, namely the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. There's little to suggest that the same brutality wouldn't be encountered if secession were tried again, as one writer cautioned: If New Hampshire seceded, massive troops along with today's deadly modern military equipment would be on its soil before lunch. |
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There's little to suggest that the same brutality wouldn't be encountered if secession were tried again, as one writer cautioned: If New Hampshire seceded, massive troops along with today's deadly modern military equipment would be on its soil before lunch.
Even in the spirit of, 'any publiciity is good publicity', I'm not sure Dr. Williams has helped us much connecting us with secession. However in reference to his last paragraph, which I have left above, what with the widespread instant media attention brought to events in the world today, it would not look good for the Feds to be seen, worldwide, moving tanks and soldiers in to occupy a single state. |
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Even in the spirit of, 'any publiciity is good publicity', I'm not sure Dr. Williams has helped us much connecting us with secession. However in reference to his last paragraph, which I have left above, what with the widespread instant media attention brought to events in the world today, it would not look good for the Feds to be seen, worldwide, moving tanks and soldiers in to occupy a single state.
Dr. Williams is wonderful and there might never have been a FSP without the hero. However, I cannot imagine NH trying to leave the union in my lifetime. If, for whatever reason, the Federal government sent troops into any state that is not extremely urban (NY, CA), it could and would do anything it wants. The government does what it want and ignores world opinion whenever it wants. For such a state, world opinion would be worthless. As many have pointed out. The FSP does not want to leave the union. Most of its members don't want to leave the union. Almost all of the people in NH do not want to leave the union. We all agree, we will stay with the union. All of this is null. The way I see it, the FSP just got a ton of free press. |
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