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Technology: Village Electric
« on: October 21, 2003, 10:06:28 pm »

Too bad Alaska wasn't chosen as the Free State. However, maybe we can import a few of these into NH. Set up one of these, a local water supply, and broadband Internet WiFi, have everyone use Vonage IP telephones, and you have a town completely independent of the State utility monopolies.

Read the full article, very cool.

Anchorage Daily News

A Japanese corporation wants to thrust the Interior community of Galena into international limelight by donating a new, unconventional electricity-generating plant that would light and heat the Yukon River village pollution-free for 30 years.

There's a catch, of course. It's a nuclear reactor.

Not a huge, Three Mile Island-type power plant but a new generation of small nuclear reactor about the size of a big spruce tree. Designers say the technology is safe, simple and cheap enough to replace diesel-fired generators as the primary energy source for villages across rural Alaska.

Such a plant would also have enough excess power to create hydrogen gas, proponents say. They envision Galena as a demonstration center for the highly vaunted hydrogen economy, in which cars and trucks could run on the clean-burning gas.

Full Article: http://www.adn.com/front/story/4214182p-4226215c.html


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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2003, 11:16:32 am »

Too bad Alaska wasn't chosen as the Free State. However, maybe we can import a few of these into NH. Set up one of these, a local water supply, and broadband Internet WiFi, have everyone use Vonage IP telephones, and you have a town completely independent of the State utility monopolies.

Read the full article, very cool.

As with most Mass Media articles, I found it to be full of tripe. For a better understanding of the Toshiba 4S System try this site. http://www.iaea.or.at/inis/aws/fnss/fulltext/1172_12.pdf

Turn key price of the system is expected to be about $30M USD. Over a 30 yr lifetime to can expect about 3x that price in maintenance and operations costs. Plant electrical capacity is 50 MW so this give you a per KW-hr price of $0.09. This is a reasonable ballpark number. Of course the thermal output of the Rx is 125 MW, so this gives you 75 MW in waste heat that's dumped to the environment. Probably a third of this is potentially capturable in some kind of co-gen application. Hot water for greenhouses and home radiant heat systems, etc, etc.

A couple of things that I don't like about the design are it's use of Pu-239 to enrich the U-238 fuel. U-238 is processed directly from UO2 ore but the Pu requires additional breeding and refinement. This in turn makes the fuel supply dependent on a complicated government-owned infrastructure.

The second thing is the use of Na metal in the primary coolant loop. This makes leaks in the primary-to-secondary heat exchanger a BIG deal. (Anyone who seen Na-H2O reactions will know what I mean.) On a positive note, Toshiba is addressing this problem in their L4S design by using a Pb-Bi primary coolant loop.

Some good features of the design are it's reliance on negative reactivity coeffs., a passive decay heat removal system, and it's use of fast fuels (minus th Pu issue above) which translates into greater availabilty of fuel and less reliance on refinement infrastructure.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2003, 05:08:42 pm »

Smells like there's another "nuke" in the fourm.  Wink

IIRC a Na moderator is positive reactivity coefficient.  Nasty stuff.  Just look how the bad the Ruskies had it. And, not having a secondary shield really doesn't help matters.

I don't recall the power output of NR-1's reactor, but the size of the engine room plus reactor and control room would only be about 25x10x10 (hell, the reactor itself was only about the size of a garbage can).
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2003, 06:27:27 pm »

To pick a nit, this reactor is an unmoderated fast reactor.  The Na only cools it.  Because it is small, it does have a negative void coefficient.  

The US has had a couple meltdowns of NC cooled reactors without disaster, so the worst case is not that bad.

In this post 9/11 world, it probably would be better to build all reactors underground.

Thank you NuclearDruid for the interesting reference at http://www.iaea.or.at/inis/aws/fnss/fulltext/1172_12.pdf

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2003, 08:44:53 pm »

Seems like lithium would be a better moderator.  Neutrons are absorbed by lithium to yield tritium, which can eventually be used for fusion.  Same nasty reaction with water though.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2003, 01:54:15 pm »

I don't recall the power output of NR-1's reactor, but the size of the engine room plus reactor and control room would only be about 25x10x10 (hell, the reactor itself was only about the size of a garbage can).

The only caviat I would add to the idea of using Navy style small reactors is the fact that they have effectively infinite cooling available at all times.

That said, I like the idea of small reactors quite a bit, except for the ones that the Soviet Union used. Nasty deposits of some seriously radioactive isotopes randomly spotting the cold regions of Siberia... Wish I could remember where I read the article about them...

Another possibility is small-scale water power. New Hampshire has an abundance of water, and micro-hydro is effective and can be very cheap.

www.HomePower.com Home Power magazine has lots of articles on the subject.
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