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Topic: Joining FSP & moving to NH - helpful to targets of stalking by groups? (Read 7369 times)
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EleanorWhite
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Hi -
I very much admire the Free State Project, though I'm a Canadian and can't move myself.
I have a number of friends and colleagues in the U.S. who are troubled by a crime called "organized" or "group" stalking. This form of stalking began big time after the stalking laws of the early 1990s were applied (still are) ONLY to targets who report single stalkers. It actually seems as if the authorities quietly approve of this thuggery.
My question to FSP members is - do you have a sense that joining FSP and moving to NH might be of any help to targets of group stalking?
Anyone wishing to contact me directly about this can email ewraven1 at sympatico dot ca
Thanks and God speed this badly needed project!
Eleanor White
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MaineShark
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My question to FSP members is - do you have a sense that joining FSP and moving to NH might be of any help to targets of group stalking? Not to be too blunt, but the most help anyone here could offer would probably be to recommend some good doctors. Several folks have showed up here attempting to prove that they were being stalked by some giant conspiracy, and it's always turned into a massive waste of time. Maybe there's someone out there who is actually being "group stalked" in reality, but I find it unlikely. If someone still found evidence of "group stalking" after being treated for paranoia, then there might be folks who would take such claims seriously. Lacking such evidence, you'll find that most folks don't want to address something that is overwhelmingly likely to only exist in the head of the individual reporting it. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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EleanorWhite
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My question to FSP members is - do you have a sense that joining FSP and moving to NH might be of any help to targets of group stalking? Not to be too blunt, but the most help anyone here could offer would probably be to recommend some good doctors. Several folks have showed up here attempting to prove that they were being stalked by some giant conspiracy, and it's always turned into a massive waste of time. Maybe there's someone out there who is actually being "group stalked" in reality, but I find it unlikely. If someone still found evidence of "group stalking" after being treated for paranoia, then there might be folks who would take such claims seriously. Lacking such evidence, you'll find that most folks don't want to address something that is overwhelmingly likely to only exist in the head of the individual reporting it. Well, the U.S. Department of Justice, and their counterparts in Canada and the UK report that about one stalking complaint out of every eight involves 3 or more stalkers. You can have a quick look at these stats and other information on this crime in an e-booklet written for the general public here: http://www.stopos.infoEleanor White |
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Organized stalking victims will find freedom from their problem in this area of the state, I understand its a very pretty area and they will help banish those nasty organized stalking groups. |
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EleanorWhite
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Organized stalking victims will find freedom from their problem in this area of the state, I understand its a very pretty area and they will help banish those nasty organized stalking groups. I don't understand why you would send a target of crime to a mental hospital. Eleanor White |
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Organized stalking victims will find freedom from their problem in this area of the state, I understand its a very pretty area and they will help banish those nasty organized stalking groups. I don't understand why you would send a target of crime to a mental hospital. Eleanor White See Maineshark's comment above. |
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EleanorWhite
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Organized stalking victims will find freedom from their problem in this area of the state, I understand its a very pretty area and they will help banish those nasty organized stalking groups. I don't understand why you would send a target of crime to a mental hospital. Eleanor White See Maineshark's comment above. Same thing, basically. Every crime, stalking included, is sometimes carried out by groups. I'm not sure why, knowing that, anyone would suggest a stalking target is mentally ill. But hey, I'm only 72, maybe I'll know more when I grow up! Eleanor White |
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John Edward Mercier
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Eleanor...
In NH, stalking is stalking. You might get 'conspiracy to commit' or something to that nature.
But no, moving to NH is not going to guarantee that no one does anything you do not like; nor is it going to guarantee that you will not be a victim of a crime.
So your question is like asking whether the State of NH can guarantee that you'll be stalked by only one person at a time.
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Eleanor...
In NH, stalking is stalking. You might get 'conspiracy to commit' or something to that nature.
But no, moving to NH is not going to guarantee that no one does anything you do not like; nor is it going to guarantee that you will not be a victim of a crime.
So your question is like asking whether the State of NH can guarantee that you'll be stalked by only one person at a time.
If you do believe you're being stalked, but no one is actually interfering with your freedom, why not just ignore your stalkers? |
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"Judge Katherine B. Forrest should go down in history as having pulled this Republic away from the abyss of Hell." ~ Naomi Wolf
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EleanorWhite
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Eleanor...
In NH, stalking is stalking. You might get 'conspiracy to commit' or something to that nature.
But no, moving to NH is not going to guarantee that no one does anything you do not like; nor is it going to guarantee that you will not be a victim of a crime.
So your question is like asking whether the State of NH can guarantee that you'll be stalked by only one person at a time.
Our members aren't looking for nor do we expect anything extraordinary. Actually, we have seen in a few localized cases that simple awareness that this crime, (along with stalking by a single stalker) can be pretty well eradicated where the local people know the crime happens. Group stalkers can't carry on in an area where it is known what they do. According to a private investigator from Florida who investigated stalking by groups in his spare time, many of the perps have been recruited by telling them they are "helping police" by keeping an eye on people who are "dangerous to the community." While that may sound laudable, the trouble is that over the years, a great many people who have no criminal record or intentions get fingered, possibly as some sort of revenge - the exact reason is not known in an estimated 70% of cases. And once fingered, it is nearly impossible to get off the "list." Anyway, thanks for your reply. Eleanor White |
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EleanorWhite
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Eleanor...
In NH, stalking is stalking. You might get 'conspiracy to commit' or something to that nature.
But no, moving to NH is not going to guarantee that no one does anything you do not like; nor is it going to guarantee that you will not be a victim of a crime.
So your question is like asking whether the State of NH can guarantee that you'll be stalked by only one person at a time.
If you do believe you're being stalked, but no one is actually interfering with your freedom, why not just ignore your stalkers? Because organized stalking includes things like repeatedly entering your home while you are out, and stealing things, sabotaging things, terrorizing and sometimes killing pets. One fellow had antifreeze put in his dog's water dish, and this blinded the dog. Some have their pets killed and left dead on their doorstep. I'm a wildlife watcher, and I've had wildlife killed and left in the paths I walk regularly far too many times for it to be a coincidence. They also spread vicious rumours in the target's communit - the target uses drugs, the target deals in drugs, the target is a prostitute, and often the target is a child molester. That is used on women too, and it has been on me. I've had strangers walk up and spit on the sidewalk in front of me, and call me a child molester. They recruit co-workers too, who perform endless harassment, believing that the target is a "dangerous" or "undesirable person" who "deserves it." All kinds of noise, as from neighbours who have been told lies. Theft of mail. Maybe one could ignore this for a year, but this hardly ever stops. We have people who have been targets for ten, even twenty years. A few have had major illnesses and died, and hospital staff was told lies, and the harassment continued right up to their last breath in the hospital. Floor dirt mixed in the food, endlessly waking the target up all night to tell them nonsensical things like the nursing shift changed. Over time, those thefts and sabotages really add up in terms of dollars. They dump food, consumable supplies, and even medicine. But they never steal, say, a TV set, as that could trigger a police investigation. They take things of small value which are important. If you are a wood carver, they may take one or two of your favourite chisels, for example. They sabotage vehicles, but are very careful to not cut brake lines, say, where police would recognize that as a serious crime. Instead, they will replace windshield washer fluid with water in the winter, causing destruction of the windshield washer system. A friend had a hole drilled in her car's water pump, causing overheating and stoppage on the highway. Or they may loosen an oil or transmission fluid drain plug. I think you can see why, for ten or more years, you can't just ignore it. It's not just a few goofy people bugging their eyes out at you or following you on the street. Eleanor White |
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MaineShark
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We have people who have been targets for ten, even twenty years. And this is why it's pretty clear that you're describing folks that need medical help. If you believe that there's a massive conspiracy that follows you everywhere you go, for decades, that's not a reasonable belief. There's maybe a one in a billion chance of that. When everywhere you go, you see different individuals, who are all out to get you, and you drive to the other side of tow, and they're still there, and you move to a new town, and they're still there, then the common element is not them: it's you. So, maybe you're one of the half dozen or so actual victims of a massive conspiracy, which the one-in-a-billion odds predict should exist. But you're more likely not. So get checked by a competent professional, so we can know whether or not you're really a victim, or someone in need of medical help. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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EleanorWhite
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We have people who have been targets for ten, even twenty years. And this is why it's pretty clear that you're describing folks that need medical help. If you believe that there's a massive conspiracy that follows you everywhere you go, for decades, that's not a reasonable belief. There's maybe a one in a billion chance of that. When everywhere you go, you see different individuals, who are all out to get you, and you drive to the other side of tow, and they're still there, and you move to a new town, and they're still there, then the common element is not them: it's you. So, maybe you're one of the half dozen or so actual victims of a massive conspiracy, which the one-in-a-billion odds predict should exist. But you're more likely not. So get checked by a competent professional, so we can know whether or not you're really a victim, or someone in need of medical help. A number of us have been checked by a competent professional, and have been found free from signs of mental illness, myself included. A handful of doctors and police officers have privately acknowledged this crime, but say they can't go public as they would lose their jobs. But all that is an aside - my original question has been answered. Eleanor White |
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Eleanor,
Are there any common factors involved with the type of people chosen for group stalking?
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"Judge Katherine B. Forrest should go down in history as having pulled this Republic away from the abyss of Hell." ~ Naomi Wolf
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John Edward Mercier
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Eleanor...
In NH, stalking is stalking. You might get 'conspiracy to commit' or something to that nature.
But no, moving to NH is not going to guarantee that no one does anything you do not like; nor is it going to guarantee that you will not be a victim of a crime.
So your question is like asking whether the State of NH can guarantee that you'll be stalked by only one person at a time.
Our members aren't looking for nor do we expect anything extraordinary. Actually, we have seen in a few localized cases that simple awareness that this crime, (along with stalking by a single stalker) can be pretty well eradicated where the local people know the crime happens. Group stalkers can't carry on in an area where it is known what they do. According to a private investigator from Florida who investigated stalking by groups in his spare time, many of the perps have been recruited by telling them they are "helping police" by keeping an eye on people who are "dangerous to the community." While that may sound laudable, the trouble is that over the years, a great many people who have no criminal record or intentions get fingered, possibly as some sort of revenge - the exact reason is not known in an estimated 70% of cases. And once fingered, it is nearly impossible to get off the "list." Anyway, thanks for your reply. Eleanor White Then it wouldn't be a State issue, but a social issue. |
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