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the exodus effect revisited
« on: July 10, 2012, 11:01:01 pm »

I read the original post on the exodus effect and thought I would put this out there. Having liberty minded people move from one politically oppressive region to NH will actually have a dramatic effect, and the more that move from that region the more dramatic the effect. Even if that person does not vote there are people who respect their ideas and seek out their opinion. By loosing that advocate of freedom this means that the opposition to totalitarian laws and regulations fade. The region then becomes that much more oppressive. IF NH becomes a beacon of liberty the people from that region will eventually look at their region look at NH and say "Screw this". That may mean moving to NH or it may mean resisting the system.
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Re: the exodus effect revisited
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 11:28:38 pm »

The more people move to NH and make a positive difference, the more people outside of NH will hear and learn about the benefits of liberty.  The more positive changes we make in NH, the more the media will cover them.  The more they are covered, the more people in other states will think about doing similar things be they political reforms or whatnot, where they live.

For example, here is an example of how a free stater in NH helped improve Oklahoma.  For the full story, read this post and the 1 below it ( http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?124976-101-Reasons-to-move-to-New-Hampshire&p=4521412&viewfull=1#post4521412 ).
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Re: the exodus effect revisited
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 04:05:23 am »

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Thank you for your thoughts. I do not think you have seriously considered the consequences of the FSP in the short term however. Look at the resistance to the FSP in NH, yes the more happens the more will hear and the more will move. The problem I see is the power mad politicians. As I have said before on our part we MUST be non-violent. However I fully expect the state to become very violent. In NH if we get enough people there than the proportion of violence done against us will be rather small. The real problem is going to be for everyone else in the rest of the states as the politicians and their enforces see the possibility of their power slipping away. Violent men do violent things when their power is threatened.
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Re: the exodus effect revisited
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 12:43:50 pm »

NH is a beacon of liberty which helps keep people in other places more free.

Take the New Hampshire Primary.  Many people claim NH created the presidential primary.  I don't know if NH created it but NH certainly popularized the primary system.  Before the primary system, presidential nominees were selected in smoke filled rooms with no input from regular folks.  Some people might argue that it is still partially decided that way, but clearly, not fully decided that way.

Look at the Pledge.  It is a national issue.  In fact, pretty much every GOP Congressman signed the Pledge.  Here is a great post about the NH Pledge and how it has changed politics in the US.  http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383206-President-George-H.W.-Bush-Who-The-Hell-Is-Grover-Norquist-Anyway-What-is-the-Pledge

Look at the sale tax and income tax rates in the states near NH.  MA cut the personal income tax rate and the tax on liquor in the last several years.  If MA didn't border NH, a state without a personal income tax and no tax on liquor, that likely wouldn't have happened.  ME legalized fireworks for the first time since the 1970s.  The argument that people were going to go to NH, buy fireworks and use them in ME was 1 of the main arguments people used to convince lawmakers to legalize fireworks in ME.

The freer NH is, the better the argument is to increase freedom in other states, especially states in New England.
 
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 05:06:16 am »

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You are making an asserting without addressing the historical evidence that Tyrants always become violent toward their own people when they are loosing power.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 09:22:25 pm »

A recent article by Americans for Tax Reform points out that New England is a good example of how tax competition works.  More specifically, the article points out how New Hampshire drives down personal income and corporate income taxes in New  England.  Perhaps, the more we cut taxes in NH, the more taxes will be cut in New England.  Heck, if NH, VT, MA and CT all cut taxes, maybe even NY will do it?

New Hampshire is driving New England taxes – down
http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/new-hampshire-is-driving-new-england-taxes-down/
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