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Re:The FSP was mentioned in a WND article
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2003, 04:32:02 pm »

He is now questioning my Republican memberships.  The GOP can never believe that a rational thinker would ever dream of backing out of the GOP.  Hmmmmm, I wonder where those 7 million voters went?  I know!  They split for Perot and the LP.  Many went for the Green Party.  

It wasn't just the Christian crunch on our freedoms but the pressure on removing the woman's choice of family size.  We all put in our time of being barefoot and pregnant and then we grew up.  

It's amazing how many men want to be Libertarians except when it involves the "choice."  Then they get wobbley over the whole freedom thing.  Many old timers are still pissed at giving the ladies the vote.  
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Re:The FSP was mentioned in a WND article
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2003, 09:31:17 pm »

LOL.

I think if your counting on America's "Religious Right" to leave us alone, you'll be sorely disappointed.

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2003, 03:07:35 am »

<<Sadly, I don't think these type of conservatives are going to be of any help to the FSP.>>

Don' t be too sure about this.  My Dad is something of an arch conservative, and I mean an arch *social* conservative.  But when I made the pitch for legalizing drugs and prostitution during a bike ride a while back he didn't even blink. He just said "maybe your're right."

Imagine a liberal saying "maybe you're right" if you suggest putting public education out of its misery or eliminating social security.

In any case, this government's biggest crimes against freedom are economic, not social.   They can't really stop most social freedoms, but economically they can and do make serfs of almost all of us.
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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2003, 06:50:12 am »

Dada, many of the "Conservatives" who left the GOP in 1992 were put off by several of Bush (41) messages.  The first was his constant calling for a one world order.  To the Goldwater Conservatives, these were fighting words.  The intrusion of the religious right into the GOP platform was the first of a kind at least in our generations.  I have to admit that most of the GOP were religious people but that good old separation of church and state was threatened.

I did not meet anyone at that time that were pro-abortion!  But wanted the government to keep out of personal choices.  We all had horror stories of what prohibition did to our cities and we were just starting to see what the drugs were doing to increase our crime rate.

My districts of L.A. County until 1982 and then San Luis Obispo County were working very hard on trying to get our own kids under control and show them now not to fall into the trap of needing a drug fix or an abortion.  We were horrified at Roe v Wade but something had to stop the slaughter of our kids and their friends.  In Los Angeles we had finally gotten the upper hand of the Manson family and the drug dealers in the Santa Monica mountains without the federal government pushing their way into the authority.  

Remember these Conservatives were demanding smaller less intrusive federal authority and were organizing like mad to stop drugs and abortions.  Suddenly Bush 41 wanted it to all come from the feds including paying for all the costs at what we were trying to stop!  

Until that time California had been a very Republicans State but too many of us had gay best friends and many relatives who suddenly came out of the closet.  Most of us were involved in the theater, symphony orchestras, decorating, and all the arts and found the gays to be an addition to our lives.  I myself had several cousins who were out of the closet and it was a relief to see them enjoy their lives.  Nobody broke a damn law!  We saw a sort of glitch in their reproduction system and we ignored it!  Suddenly the churches make them sinners!  Why?Huh

Scientifically the churches have always been the last ones to accept that the earth orbits the sun and that not all homosapiens are straight!  Until 1992 we were protected from the threat of the federal government and then they started fuming about social issues and a socialistic term of one world order.  

Suddenly the Republican Party was a government builder with more laws than we had ever wanted or needed.  We felt that Bush (41) wanted too much control steming from the White House and we dumped him and the neoconservatives in his administration.

We also became aware of the terrible trade agreements that Bush was proposing.  NAFTA and GATT was a terrible assault on our American businesses and we wanted this stuff stopped!  We can thank Perot for waking most of us up to what the GOP was doing to the economy.  4 years of Bush (41) was killing our  American businesses and pushing everyone to move off shore.    

Many of us were just connecting to the internet and had a chance to read what people were talking about in every state and even foreign countries.  For thousands of us (probably millions) we discovered the desire for a complete Socialistic take over within our Federal Government.  Too many people were on the federal welfare programs, to few were even able to read and write.  Even under Reagan and Bush (41) the cost of supporting the safety net under the millions of Americans who couldn't read or work hit is all!!!  What the hell had these Republicans been doing?  Why the jump in illiteracy?  Turned out it had always been there.  Certain areas in Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Tennessee and Kentucky didn't even try to educate their citizens.  

This was all traced back to the Federal Government and their start  up of mandated programs.  The 1992 election was a demonstration against the Federal government.  In my opinion, under Clinton and now Bush (43) it has gotten 100% worse!  Between these two men, the social programs have tripled and not a single student has gained from their interference in the schools.  

Many websites such as WorldNetDaily, NewsMax, Free Republic, National Review and hundreds called Conservative sites have decided to toss out the Constitution and focus on biblical laws.  The word "choice" was now defined as "sin."  

I remember exactly when I joined the LP.  I was castigated from these sites and labeled "The Whore of Babylon" and "The Daughter of Lucifer."  Even when I began to bring the FSP website to these places they tore me apart for promoting drugs and abortions.  Sadly the Conservatives are no longer able to think for themselves and are demanding social laws be written up and placed in the Constitution!  

In my plea for individual responsibility I was asked to leave many of the forums.  Anyone who wanted individual rights must be an amoral sinner!  This is the influence of the religious right that I find harmful and illegal.  I have seen Farrah (WND owner) on many talk shows and he is nearly demented thinking anyone alive should have a choice of anything.  I have met and dined with (Chris Ruddy) the NewsMax owner, and was forced off his forum and my articles removed when he discovered I was pro-choice.  His posters were anti-semites, racists who were filled with plans of killing and burning any gays that they had met.  This is the crap planted by the religious right.  This is what President Bush (41) started and why he lost his election!  this movement is what kept Dole out of office and sadly put Bush (43) into office.

I'm tired of hearing that diversity  and tolerance is against God's will and that only Christians can be trusted in Washington DC.  I have discussed this with the head honchos of the RNC (Republican National Committee) about running the Party as a Christian political group and letting go of the rest of us who want to go back to a smaller less intrusive federal government.  Evidently I was the last to recognize this takeover attempt by Robertson/Falwell/Weyrich.  

Trying to stop the holy war planned by the present administration is impossible and our country will go down economically and very likely in flames trying to protect ourselves.  In the middle of this horrible war, our house and senate decided to take on the sodomy laws in Texas!  Anything to divert the mess Bush is making in Iraq.  

In my book, the FSP is a lot more than drugs and abortions!  It is the only independent game in town and we must realize that our fight will not come from the left but the right!!!

Nearly every meeting I attend, people are looking for a country where the American Federal government can't get their fingers in.  At this time Costa Rica is looking good and may just do until the FSP can prove itself as successful.  We have developed a monster in the white house and capitol and if we don't counterattack this group we will never know another day without war.  

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Re:The FSP was mentioned in a WND article
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2003, 10:49:57 am »


Scientifically the churches have always been the last ones to accept that ... not all homosapiens are straight!


I don't know that much about other religions, but you'l be glad to learn that the Jews knew that some people were queer thousands of years ago.  In fact, they (and thus the Christians) had special punishments for those who actually practiced homosexuality, although none for those who merely were queer without acting out.

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We also became aware of the terrible trade agreements that Bush was proposing.  NAFTA and GATT was a terrible assault on our American businesses and we wanted this stuff stopped!


If you want The Government to protect Special Interest U.S. Businesses from competition, at the expense of Consumers who want to buy cheaper better foreign goods, you're gonna be disappointed with libertarian economics.

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