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gleongelpi
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This website has to be simplify. Or better yet, a new one created. As a marketing tool, this website is very poor. There is too much going on in it. Somethings that are in it do not belong within it. The ones of you who are engaged in this process need to give some serious thought to a complete revamping. You are not drawing people in like you should. There, I said it! I hope you stop avoiding the obvious.
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EricMasters
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This website has to be simplify. Or better yet, a new one created. As a marketing tool, this website is very poor. There is too much going on in it. Somethings that are in it do not belong within it. The ones of you who are engaged in this process need to give some serious thought to a complete revamping. You are not drawing people in like you should. There, I said it! I hope you stop avoiding the obvious.
Do you have any specific complaints rather than this vague attack on those who are working hard on this site? Do you have any constructive criticism? It might be better recieved by those who have an invested interest. Just sayin'. |
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gleongelpi
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Redo the whole thing. Start from scratch. Simplify, simplify, simplify. Heck, for one, just go to the news section and see what comes up. Even this discussion section is poorly done. Too many categories, sub-categories, etc. Plenty of very old information shows close to the top.
You gave me the kind of answer I expected: "Hunker down and do nothing because I have something to do with it and what I do is always right."
So, go ahead and do nothing. Leave it all like it is. Almost ten years since this project started. Moe than five since I first looked at this website for the first time. Fine! Don't get your act together and fail.
There is so much wrong with this website, I just can't spend the time telling you. So, what you want me too do? Do it for you? Otherwise you will just hide youer head in the sand?
Start from scratch. Do it simple. I am on the outside looking in, and if this website is the display window of a store, I will not buy. When you all commit to alternatives to the current website, I will be happy to provide you with a model. Maybe you ought to advertise to all livertarians in the area that you need a new website. Maybe someone can come up with something real good. All I know for certain is that you need a ndw website.
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Steve
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Comment duly noted. Everyone has an opinion....
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gleongelpi
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LoveandPeace,
It is good to know that some do recognize the need to revamp the website. The primary objective should be in determining what new visitors are looking to find. It doesn't have to be the first time a person visits, for a person may visit a considerable number of times before they join. Any information that is old should not show on the home page or readily in any of the other pages. The website just doesn't look "fresh". Outside that, the only important thing is that it be simple. You do not want people looking all over the place to find something hidden in some corner.
The rest is of secondary consequence. I would give you some recommendations, but obviously this cannot be done publicly. You would be free to take my opinions into account or disregard them. I have no control of it. If you wish to read what I think on some particulars that I do not like, feel free to contact me privately.
My only concern is with reaching people. This is a marketing tool, and while it is not going to turn someone into a non-libertarian, if the website is not appealing and esy to navigate, it will keep a number of people away. I tell you this as an outsider that has been coming here for years, long before I registered. And I can tell you with certainty that I know several libertarians who got discouraged because of the website, either they were turned off by the complexity that is confusing to an outsider at first, or they were turned off by all the old information that shows readily.
If I really thought that a few minor adjustments could fix the issues, I would post them here, and not concern myself with whom doesn't like it. But I think there is too much that needs changing to do that.
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gleongelpi
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Robin,
I am glad you like it where you are. But it is not whether you like it or not that matters. It is whether it will attract visitors to come back and do further research and consider moving.
The position that several persons have taken here is pretty much within the emotional station of many libvertarians. They always close the circle and get very defensive. I used to think that was only a matter pertaining to attack on the ideology. But, as a libertarian since the 1970s, I am clearly aware of the fact that most libertarians are, in a way, just as narrow-minded as religious fanatics. I'm not even attacking the philosophy, and I am already getting substantial flack. Unfortunately, over the years, I have discovered that not even constructive criticism to advance the cause is welcomed.
I hope you and others reflect on this, and help the FSP Movement develop a better website. At this juncture, I have to be convinced that it might be worth my while to uproot myself for this project, and you are not adding positive vibes. I could move to a place like Keene, and provide some support for the cause, but as a 64 year old, with well more than 30 years of experience dealing with cantanquerous libertarians, I will not struggle with libertarians to change their bad habits as well as struggle against the government at the same time. The choice is yours, and if there is not an attitude change, the movement will fail.
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gleongelpi
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Take a poll, take a simple poll. How good is the website. From one to ten. Ten is great, the highest. One is awful, the worse. Then ask readers to write twenty to one hundred words describing the things that they think need change. I would say: simplify and remove dated information at the very least.
The poll could be done right here. You do not need to do it elsewhere and crowd the website more. Just do it here. Any visistor to this thread can do it.
Maybe this was done before, but I have never looked for it, and there is so much in this website that it would probably be a time consuming thing to do.
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« Last Edit: April 25, 2012, 05:11:22 pm by gleongelpi »
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Take a poll, take a simple poll. How good is the website. From one to ten. Ten is great, the highest. One is awful, the worse. Then ask readers to write twenty to one hundred words describing the things that they think need change. I would say: simplify and remove dated information at the very least.
The poll could be done right here. You do not need to do it elsewhere and crowd the website more. Just do it here. Any visistor to this thread can do it.
Maybe this was done before, but I have never looked for it, and there is so much in this website that it would probably be a time consuming thing to do.
Good idea. Please create the poll and so on in a thread on the FSP Forums. |
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MaineShark
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The position that several persons have taken here is pretty much within the emotional station of many libvertarians. They always close the circle and get very defensive. Not really. The website is created and maintained by volunteers. Those who do it, decide how it will look. If you'd like it to look otherwise, volunteer to work on it. Or raise some money to hire someone to re-design it. Don't just complain and ask someone else to do it for you. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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EricMasters
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Redo the whole thing. Start from scratch. Simplify, simplify, simplify. Heck, for one, just go to the news section and see what comes up. Even this discussion section is poorly done. Too many categories, sub-categories, etc. Plenty of very old information shows close to the top.
You gave me the kind of answer I expected: "Hunker down and do nothing because I have something to do with it and what I do is always right."
So, go ahead and do nothing. Leave it all like it is. Almost ten years since this project started. Moe than five since I first looked at this website for the first time. Fine! Don't get your act together and fail.
There is so much wrong with this website, I just can't spend the time telling you. So, what you want me too do? Do it for you? Otherwise you will just hide youer head in the sand?
Start from scratch. Do it simple. I am on the outside looking in, and if this website is the display window of a store, I will not buy. When you all commit to alternatives to the current website, I will be happy to provide you with a model. Maybe you ought to advertise to all livertarians in the area that you need a new website. Maybe someone can come up with something real good. All I know for certain is that you need a ndw website.
I have nothing to do with this forum other than reading and supporting the overall project. I just joined a month or so ago. I simply believe that constructive criticism is better than lashing out into cyberspace at people you don't even know. I don't believe this forum is perfect. I DO believe in calm, constructive criticism. |
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jhamilton1769
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Ditto on the simplify. I am 100% sold on moving to NH, but have been surfing the site for a couple hours now and not found the pledge section. I know it exists... wikipedia told me so.
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MaineShark
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Ditto on the simplify. I am 100% sold on moving to NH, but have been surfing the site for a couple hours now and not found the pledge section. I know it exists... wikipedia told me so. Right on the home page, in the navigation bar on the left, the third item down is " Join Us." |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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robin.freiheit
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um what??? i am not sure how you came to those conclusions about "me" by a few words I wrote...
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