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Story from the Manchester UL
« on: March 23, 2012, 12:48:19 pm »

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120221/NEWS06/120229991

Not sure if anyone saw that story.  It's mentioned the FSP in a negative light.  Based on this article I can see that the Democratic party in NH is taking aim at the FSP and the NHLA.  IT does point out something important though.  The statists have done extremely well in all special elections in the last two years. 
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 12:57:29 pm »

Interesting comments - I wonder where they get their info stating that the radical Free State agenda puts corporations before people, and of course the other stereotypes that we value the right to work for less and slashing money for education.

Also they take a local election, in 1 ward of Manchester, to reflect that the entire state rejects our values - very funny.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2012, 02:33:50 pm »

"New Hampshire Democratic Party Chair Ray Buckley, who issued a statement shortly after the polls closed, said the results of this vote show that voters are rejecting Republican leadership."

Gee, a political operative providing "spin" on the election results.  Who'd imagine such a thing?  Unfortunately, it is completely inaccurate.  Ward 3 is heavily democratic.  Despite having a candidate on the ballot, the republicans made virtaullly no effort to win the seat.  The 95 vote "victory" is indicative of nothing, certainly not a "rejection of republican leadership".  The truth is that we are making significant progress in NH.  That alarms democrats, whose statist beliefs are diametrically opposed to our own.  So, we do see the occasional negative comment about freestaters.  Still, the culture of NH is very liberty-oriented.  The regular addition of early movers is only enhancing that.

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2012, 03:51:07 pm »

Well the good thing is the pro-liberty people have been in control during the redistricting.  Although word just came out Lynch is trying to stop it: http://www.wcax.com/story/17241468/lynch-vetoes-nh-house-redistricting-plan
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2012, 04:56:55 pm »

I wonder where they get their info stating that the radical Free State agenda...

In the upcoming election, Buckley et al will be defining "the Free State agenda" in their own terms, so they can denounce it.  It's also worded that way so they can smear whomever they want.   Not associated with the Free State Project in any way? - well, you still support that radical Free State agenda.

Expect more NEA-NH and Granite State Teamsters money to back this message.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2012, 06:25:25 pm »

Well the good thing is the pro-liberty people have been in control during the redistricting.  Although word just came out Lynch is trying to stop it: http://www.wcax.com/story/17241468/lynch-vetoes-nh-house-redistricting-plan

The NH Senate plan was constitutional.  The NH US House and Executive Council plans also appear to be constitutional. 

The NH House plan was unconstitutional.  Lynch was correct to veto it.  I would have done the same thing.  I don't know about the "62 towns and wards deserved their own seats but did not get one" line.  At least a few additional towns and wards could have had their own districts with very easy changes that would pointed out well in advance.  For example, the NH Constitution was broken it at least Concord and Manchester.  It may have been broken in Keene.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2012, 10:59:41 pm »

I read another editorial denouncing the legislature for being ridiculous, I think from the Wednesday edition, that unfortunately the full article can only be accessed by paying, in which the upset Democrat author talked about the Tea Staters - and made some smears against a couple of FSP-friendly reps which showed little knowledge of the actual history (nullification and secession, "discredited bunk") she so casually dismissed by mentioning the Confederacy. That phrase implies to me that she is asserting, falsely, that there was, back in the 1860's, a detailed and balanced legal and scholarly examination of those states' rights tactics versus having a singular union in which secession and state power to restrain the federal government are not legal, and that the overwhelming legal and scholarly consensus that having a centralized federal government was better for everyone. Really, how could anyone think that a political doctrine that comes from winning a war, discredits any beliefs?

Tea Staters - that caught my attention - she seemed to think the Tea Party and Free Staters are the same thing in NH. Meanwhile, the same day, more than 100 Republicans (probably most of them Free State-friendly libertarian-leaning ones) just voted with the Democrats on the issue of gay marriage, which you would think would matter to people who care about social freedoms, and would disprove to those making stereotypes about the Tea Party and FS working together, that it's not that simple. But she probably assumes libertarians are a type of extreme right-wing conservatives anyway, so she obviously isn't interested in finding out the truth. I felt bad for the readers, though. I wanted to respond, but forgot to keep a cutout of the editorial. I'm trying to decide if I want to announce myself as an FSP member when writing in the newspaper, though.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2012, 11:47:02 pm »

Ward 3 is heavily democratic.  Despite having a candidate on the ballot, the republicans made virtaullly no effort to win the seat.

Correct - in the NHLA 2011 Liberty Ratings the 3 reps in the district were scored as 1 D+, and 2 D-'s.

One of the D-s was a top Democrat leader in the house, and the one who created the vacancy by moving away, and was the inspiration for the new house rule saying - forgive me if my wording of this new rule is off - employees of political organizations who lobby cannot also serve in the state house and thereby use their elected position to further their private interests, passed after he moved out of state to take another such political job - I assume because no one wanted many of the reps did not want to expel someone already sitting for a change in the rules about preventing conflicts of interest).

Manchester ward 3 - aka Hillsborough 10, not the worst-scoring district in the state, but it was the least liberty-friendly district in Manchester (Ward 1 is bad too, but 3 is worse, and none of the other single-ward districts has all 3 reps scored really low - 5 and 9 each had one rep with a halfway decent score, - I can't distinguish wards 10 - 12 from the state reps because they share a district, although the only really low score there is the Derelicter of Duty, which I am making equivalent to a CT, Constitutional Threat, in my numerical system for the map I'm working on, CT and Der are rated as being equivalent to a G, if there was a letter grade lower than an F in other words). I don't score the Incompletes, but the Der's I do because they obviously just miss so many sessions that their lack of attention to their duty is as bad for the people as blatant statism. I'm almost done with the data operations for the map, mostly I just need to find a good blank state map showing the state house districts.

I expect the Democrats will probably pick up some seats, as the massive pro-Republican wave is not likely to reoccur that happened 2 years ago. The special elections are just reflecting that reality, just part of a normal cycle, not indicating a massive change in one of the parties or the people.
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Re: Story from the Manchester UL
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 07:07:29 am »

Tea Staters - that caught my attention - she seemed to think the Tea Party and Free Staters are the same thing in NH.

I've been detailing for this month after month on FreeStateBlogs, here and other places.  It isn't that these Democrat and union leaders think it is true, it is their goal to make other people think it is true.  It's an effort to win elections and more.  Some of the Democrats are perhaps less than average and have fallen for the crazy conspiracies but most of them likely haven't, yet.

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Meanwhile, the same day, more than 100 Republicans (probably most of them Free State-friendly libertarian-leaning ones) just voted with the Democrats on the issue of gay marriage,


It was the Democrats that voted with the Republicans.  It was the Republicans that killed the bill and stopped the repeal.  Listen to the follow debate anytime, it was Republican after Republican speaking.  Even if the votes by the Democrats didn't count, the bill would have been killed.

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I'm trying to decide if I want to announce myself as an FSP member when writing in the newspaper, though.

The FSP doesn't have members.  You would be a participant.  We switched from the member to the participant model several years ago.  Look forward to dozens more inaccurate articles.
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