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Topic: Can FSP people explain NH politics regarding Ron Paul? Did FSP pick the wrong st (Read 8047 times)
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I strongly suggest you switch to a caucus. The Maine Republican Caucus was highly corrupted and would have been of almost no importance nationally if it wasn't for all of the corruption  IMO, ME has the hardest to understand presidential primaries/caucus system in the US. Perhaps that is why ME has near the lowest level of participation. It would be great it the ME system was improved. NH has the highest level of participation. NH is the most important state when it comes to presidential primaries/caucuses. Heck, NH popularized the presidential primaries/caucus system. Before NH popularized and helped create the current system, men in smoke filled rooms decided the Republican and Democratic Party nominees. All of that being true, I see how someone could argue that Ron Paul did better in ME than NH. I still don't understand what you meant about signs, though |
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TJames
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The meetings are open to anyone who is registered Republican and the public can observe. The fact that they are meetings means that people can debate. IT IS THE CAUCUS THAT EXPOSED THE CORRUPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE! Primaries are just democratic, little Susie voting for the cute guy she saw on TV. Also I was not elected at a caucus, I took an empty seat, the rules said I could. Many Ron Paul supporters were experts at the confusing process, knowing more than we were letting on. The libertarian community here in Maine want to keep this a caucus state, the establishment moderates want to use state law to make it a primary state.
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The error wasn't picking the wrong state. One state had to be chosen, and New Hampshire appeared, from the outset, to be as good as any. The error was changing the original strategy from eventually adding more states to limiting ourselves to New Hampshire.
I signed on with the well-grounded understanding that New Hampshire would be the first state, that many of us would get together and get some progress here, then return to Washington and apply those lessons there.
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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MaineShark
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The error wasn't picking the wrong state. One state had to be chosen, and New Hampshire appeared, from the outset, to be as good as any. The error was changing the original strategy from eventually adding more states to limiting ourselves to New Hampshire.
I signed on with the well-grounded understanding that New Hampshire would be the first state, that many of us would get together and get some progress here, then return to Washington and apply those lessons there. Yes, that was the understanding: after 20,000 activists moved to the first state and returned it to a status where the government does no more than protect life, liberty, and property... after that, others would do the same in other places. Since that has not yet occurred, talk of other states is decades premature. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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John Edward Mercier
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I would say because Ron Paul wasn't the choice of most Republicans.
Its plausible that undeclareds (Independents) swung the vote... but other than that most likely that he just wasn't their choice.
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IT IS THE CAUCUS THAT EXPOSED THE CORRUPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE! I am not sure what you mean by that. The NV Caucus was a huge story and it exposed corruption in the caucus system. It was the 2nd caucus of 2012. The Maine Caucus was likely much more corrupt. In fact, it was perhaps the most corruptly run caucus in the US. The Maine caucus would have likely been near the least important caucus (as it usually is) if it wasn't for all of the corruption. Even if it was very corrupt, I'm still glad Ron Paul did well in Maine. I'm also glad that Ron Paul people are now in key positions in Maine. I actually have a friend running for state house in ME and other running for state senate. Hopefully at least 1 of them wins  |
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TJames
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The corruption is who is in charge of the meetings and we knew enough to elect ourselves as chairs. As our delegates got on Republican committees and the convention we knocked out the favoritist opposition.
Here is another reason I like the caucus. I was the only known Ron Paul supporter in Pittston but I only had to find 14 people to be delegates. In all four camps only 11 people voted. Had it been a primary 400 people would have voted for the guy with the warm-n-fuzzy tv ad even though they don't want to commit to going to Augusta in May. Also don't forget that debates are held during the meeting. I wish I could remember how Eric Brakey eloquently replied to the caucus goer up in Bangor or one of those cities up there. He asked Eric what us young people like about Ron Paul. Eric was the only campaign representative in that meeting.
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John Edward Mercier
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So your point is that people need to be subject to the decision of an elite few?
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TJames
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The informed and the establishment are motivated to become delegates. If this was more democratic Rick Santorum might have won. Also the Republican party is a private organisation, It doesn't matter what rules they write so long as they go by them. Bug off. You are saying I'm an elite. It only cost me $25, and that is those fiat dollars, and a little of my free time about two days. If you can't handle that than you are not much of an activist.
Now John, I'd like to ask you something... Tell me, do you think the rights of the individual should be subject to the whim of the TV voter? That is what happens and without debate.
A party choosing its candidate is not subjugating anyone and if it choosing by caucus it is making a more informed decision. It would be good if the entire town came out to debate, but the SHEEP don't care. I knocked on doors looking for Ron Paul supporters and if they told me they don't like Ron Paul I didn't tell them about the caucus. How is that subjugating them?
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The informed and the establishment are motivated to become delegates. If this was more democratic Rick Santorum might have won. My guess is Mitt Romney would have still won ME and Rick Santorum would have come in 2nd. Ron Paul would have likely been 3rd in ME. Also the Republican party is a private organisation, It doesn't matter what rules they write so long as they go by them. Bug off. You are saying I'm an elite. It only cost me $25, and that is those fiat dollars, and a little of my free time about two days. If you can't handle that than you are not much of an activist. Please keep in mind that John didn't call you elite or any name. He isn't part of the FSP. He does live in NH and has lived here for quite a while. I don't know if he is an activist. Now John, I'd like to ask you something... Tell me, do you think the rights of the individual should be subject to the whim of the TV voter? That is what happens and without debate. |
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MaineShark
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I'm curious what corruption supposedly took place in the Maine caucuses?
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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John Edward Mercier
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Since the TV Voter is subject to the representation, then YES.
Activism is a larger question. For me, it makes little sense to act without purpose, plan, and resolve.
Travis... Fiat dollars? You mean dollars whose value is set by 'decree'?
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« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 03:30:53 pm by John Edward Mercier »
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TJames
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Since the TV Voter is subject to the representation, then YES.
Why should people who have never even heard of Ron Paul, and who think Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum are conservatives be the ones determining my rights? Why not have just Free Staters who actually know what they are talking about? The sheep don't care. They deserve what they vote for but we get what they deserve. They shouldn't caucus. Travis... Fiat dollars? You mean dollars whose value is set by 'decree'?
Just a side comment. 25 FRN is about one real dollar. |
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John Edward Mercier
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You think someone hasn't heard of Ron Paul?
Hayek explained it in the Road to Serfdom pretty well.
Actually a 'real' USD is a coin; made up of metals as determined by congressional mandate.
And whose current value is based on market dynamics.
Nothing in the US Constitution requires US coinage to be made from any particular metal or alloy.
A Federal Reserve Note has the same value as a United States Note; but they no longer issue United States Notes.
In that it can be redeemed in US coinage equal to its face value.
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TJames
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I've only started reading it.
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