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Topic: Video: more complex societies lead to more tyrannical states (Read 4223 times)
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John Edward Mercier
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Not specifically to 'manage ag'... it just becomes easier when people are tied more closely to a specific piece of land.
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antistate1190
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Not specifically to 'manage ag'... it just becomes easier when people are tied more closely to a specific piece of land.
 Read primitivist writers on the origin of the state. There can be no state w/o ag and all stateless people are H/Gs. |
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John Edward Mercier
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But it wasn't specifically to manage agriculture.
Agriculture ties people to the land...
You espouse Austrian Economics... have you even read anything by Hayek?
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antistate1190
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But it wasn't specifically to manage agriculture.
Agriculture ties people to the land...
You espouse Austrian Economics... have you even read anything by Hayek?
Yes. What about Hayek? |
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John Edward Mercier
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Hayek argued that privatization of land is what creates civilization.
Once people are tied to land... regardless of it utilization... they are going to create a system to protect that tie.
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antistate1190
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Hayek argued that privatization of land is what creates civilization.
Once people are tied to land... regardless of it utilization... they are going to create a system to protect that tie.
He was wrong. Ag lead to civ which lead to the state. He was right in saying that ag is what caused people to be tied to the land so I guess it does make sense. |
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SpeakOut
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This is very serious. Good post. Since Libertarians seem to understand everything better than mainstream Americans, I hope that they will see the truth about overpopulation. http://www.overpopulation.org/ is a great website and worth going to. Here are two quotes I found on it, and the first has a poignancy with the FSP (and especially if you have read The Bell Curve by Hernstein and Murray): "One person's ability to make to make a difference is overwhelmed by the multitude." Karen Gaia Pitts - World Overpopulation Awareness "1/3 of the population growth in the world is the result of incidental or unwanted pregnancies." December 28, 1998 .. Germany World Population Fund Here is another site that I agree with (in spite of being a Libertarian): http://www.ginosaronglobalwarming.org/blog1.php/2010/04/07/we-must-face-overpopulation-some-quotesFor it comes these quotes: "Unlike plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases we do not yet understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess. What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and education of the billions who are its victims." Martin Luther King, Jr., May 5, 1966 "Short of nuclear war itself, population growth is the gravest issue the world faces. If we do not act, the problem will be solved by famine, riots, insurrection and war." Robert McNamara, Former World Bank President |
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John Edward Mercier
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Hayek argued that privatization of land is what creates civilization.
Once people are tied to land... regardless of it utilization... they are going to create a system to protect that tie.
He was wrong. Ag lead to civ which lead to the state. He was right in saying that ag is what caused people to be tied to the land so I guess it does make sense. Actually, I stated that agriculture tied people to the land. Hayek asserted that the privatization of land (even if its not used for agriculture) created the need for a collective agreement (civilization). Without that 'tie' of value... you simply pick up your personal property and walk away from the offenders. |
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Rifle_Ranger
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Large-scale hunting and gathering is stupid. Unless population control is imposed, then the consequence would be over-hunting and over-gathering, leading to population cycles in which the downward part of the cycles would consist of a bunch of fatal starvation and random killing. But that's at least better than the status quo, in which people can get killed on the spot, formally executed, or imprisoned for life by the giant ruling gang for defending oneself and/or others from aggression.
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The fundamental right is the right of an individual to punish and kill pathological aggressors.
When that right is granted, all other rights follow.
When that right is denied, all other rights are prone to collapsing, like a building that has no foundation.
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Alex Libman
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"better than the statue quo"?! That's a horrible exaggeration!
"Large-scale hunting and gathering" means at least 90% of the population dies, humanity goes into a dark age, modern technology becomes a distant memory, precious cultural achievements are lost forever, etc.
The status quo is a high-tech civilization of 7 billion mostly-idiots that is moving toward peace and freedom as quickly as those idiots can handle it. I'll take the status quo.
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TheMagicBullet
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This has got to be a troll thread. There's basically no explanation or real defense behind antistate's (poorly spelled) assertions.
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Alex Libman
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I'm generally in favor of giving people a benefit of doubt. Even "trolls" make a good sounding board for my writing, which is all I care about. As long as "trolls" don't have moderator privileges, like they do on many other FSP-related forums, they are fairly easy to tolerate... (Possible exceptions: spammers who flood your threads with dozens of repetitive posts, Dragline, and Mackler.) |
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