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Topic: Are there any "Halt Smart Meter" initiatives in the Granite State (Read 17739 times)
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daveneu
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I wanted to back off and see if there were any other concerned people out there. I have seen enough to realize that there should be a grass roots initiative to attack this cancer - think of what a cancer virus does - and not allow trespass into our private lives. Those who think they are "not going to be affected" are living with their heads in the sand. I am not concerned what the elite of the freedom project have to say - they can be part of the problem just like any other organization - but I am thankful for the opportunity to post. It remembers of the old saying "time to put the pipe with the cherry tobacco down and join us in the real world." NHEC has over 75,000 customers - so they do the initial roll-out. Then...it's you. You'll be concerned when it gets to YOU. However, I am thankful that I was able to bring this issue to the table to let the real people out there with an attitude that "we've had enough" to at least know what is going to be a very real attack on you and yours in a very very short amount of time. At some point in time, the globalist agenda has to come out behind the curtain and expose itself for all to see. It has to for the initiatives to take effect. This is one of those "curtain up" moments. I hope that I have got my point across to at least a few. Now - more importantly - what do we do (besides wait for politicians to do the votie - wotie dance." WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE WHAT WE WILL ALLOW?  ? I'm seeing that ugly foot coming dangerously close to crossing that line in that sand. It's now millimeters away instead of yards. |
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Dave N.
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John Edward Mercier
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Smart meter technology certainly has a strong risk of being abused. I don't think it's anywhere near as big an issue as the Northern Pass: even if some smart meters are installed, removing them and replacing them with traditional meters is a simple procedure, whereas once construction on the Northern Pass is started, the deed is pretty much done, and it will never (realistically speaking) be removed. That said, I'd help a bit if someone wanted to try and get legislation passed that required any PUC-regulated power company to have an explicit opt-in, with the contract stating in detail what the meter is capable of, before installing a smart meter. Just make sure that it has that "PUC-regulated" clause; if some truly private power company is started, they should not be saddled with additional regulations intended for the quasi-governmental power companies. And it must have to do with money... as the NHEC is a co-op. Its ratepayers must have decided that an expenditure to upgrade to smart meters would either save them money or improve the quality of service. Um, no. I was never asked. I expect others who are connected to the NHEC were not asked, either. The NHEC has the least interest in listening to customer concerns, lowest quality of service, and (last I checked) the highest rates, fees, and other nonsense in NH. The bureaucracy is entrenched in their system such that the elections are basically fixed, in practice; you cannot possibly be elected if you don't toe the existing line, perfectly. Whenever I tell folks about how co-ops can be good, bad, or something in-between, the NHEC is usually the example I use of a co-op that does everything in the worst possible way. The NP is being done privately... or are you now opposed to private property? And the consumers at teh co-op are the owners of the co-op... so are you suggesting that the right and left sides of their brains are no longer attached? Or just that you didn't take the time to become involved? |
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« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 10:44:44 am by John Edward Mercier »
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John Edward Mercier
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I wanted to back off and see if there were any other concerned people out there. I have seen enough to realize that there should be a grass roots initiative to attack this cancer - think of what a cancer virus does - and not allow trespass into our private lives. Those who think they are "not going to be affected" are living with their heads in the sand. I am not concerned what the elite of the freedom project have to say - they can be part of the problem just like any other organization - but I am thankful for the opportunity to post. It remembers of the old saying "time to put the pipe with the cherry tobacco down and join us in the real world." NHEC has over 75,000 customers - so they do the initial roll-out. Then...it's you. You'll be concerned when it gets to YOU. However, I am thankful that I was able to bring this issue to the table to let the real people out there with an attitude that "we've had enough" to at least know what is going to be a very real attack on you and yours in a very very short amount of time. At some point in time, the globalist agenda has to come out behind the curtain and expose itself for all to see. It has to for the initiatives to take effect. This is one of those "curtain up" moments. I hope that I have got my point across to at least a few. Now - more importantly - what do we do (besides wait for politicians to do the votie - wotie dance." WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE WHAT WE WILL ALLOW? ? I'm seeing that ugly foot coming dangerously close to crossing that line in that sand. It's now millimeters away instead of yards. I suggested that you contact NHEC, or which you are a member and offer an opt-in/opt-out policy with the caveat that you''l cover the costs of manual meter readings and accept any extended power outages or lower quality of service. |
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daveneu
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Manual reading - OK - I snap a photo of the meter with the serial number visible and that way they know I am not lying - of course the photo is electronically dated. I'd have no reason to lie - I have no problem paying any amount that I owe. Happy to do it. Moving on...
I don't understand the lower quality of service - are the electons of a lower grade? Are they less excited? Are they retarded electrons? Is it some new form of sleepy current? Are they fat and pudgy? Do they have trouble fitting through the wires and now need added assistance from the other sturdy, more hardy current kickers? A lower quality of service - do I call central dispatch and holler at Mable - in a more commanding tone and demand that they SHEEP MEE MOH CARREHNT!?!?!?!
Now I'm just smacking the monkey around for pleasure...
And by the way - private property is being eaten away by the electric company thinking that it can just do anything it wants when it stops by your house - implied consent...about the same conundrum as the Northern Pass. It's trampling somewhere where they weren't invited. They have no claim to have a right to monitor my electric use 24/7 - which is exactly what these meters do. Don't bother telling me that I don't know what I am talking about. I don't like being lied to. These meters are wiretapping devices for your power - and it's nobody's business as to what I do in my house.
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Dave N.
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John Edward Mercier
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Manual reading is the person that they send around every month to read the meter.
The lower quality of service is that when you currently lose power... they have no way to know in short order.
And future possibilities of peak pricing options.
The arguments I've seen for the meters is no more driving around manually reading meters... like they do today.
And when you lose power... its known quickly because the meter doesn't respond.
The arguments I've seen against (at least the ones that make some sense) is individual option... and the security risk that you pointed out should a third-party have equipment to intercept the meter signal.
The NP is going to be private property. And the meters are private property of NHEC... its everything after the meters that belongs to you. And its not 'implied consent'... if you don't want NHEC there... they will take the meter and leave. Its contractual consent.
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« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 04:38:23 pm by John Edward Mercier »
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MaineShark
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The NP is being done privately... or are you now opposed to private property? Um, no, the property they want to steal via eminent domain is private property. And the consumers at teh co-op are the owners of the co-op... so are you suggesting that the right and left sides of their brains are no longer attached? Or just that you didn't take the time to become involved? "Become involved," how? I take it you're not a customer of the NHEC, are you? They are totally and completely nonresponsive. The board decides policy, and ignores any input from the customers. The board sets the election rules, such that they control who can get elected. |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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John Edward Mercier
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Umm... No. They are very aware of the NH Constitution.
No property is being removed by ED.
Nope. Customer of PSNH. But if the board will not listen to its membership... it definately will not listen to those of us that aren't even members.
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MaineShark
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Umm... No. They are very aware of the NH Constitution.
No property is being removed by ED. Really? Any support for that claim? Because everything I've read on the subject specifically says they have plans to obtain ROW's via eminent domain. Nope. Customer of PSNH. But if the board will not listen to its membership... it definately will not listen to those of us that aren't even members. Your point being...? |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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daveneu
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For all those in the "Liberty Loving FSP" higher than G_D corporate elitists - Those pipe smoking brainiacs...I believe that you should remember this saying...
"In Germany they came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Going by what you have demonstrated here - I guess I shouldn't be concerned with Northern Pass - those towers are not going anywhere near me - so why should I care? They are following route 93 a good many miles from where I am situated. Not a big deal - I'm good. See - one of the posters here actually stated - "I'm not affected by NHEC. Why should I be concerned?" - as a matter of fact, I believe that I will use your own arguments about contracts and ROI as you have done. NP is going to be a money saver in the long term. So a few people lose their homes - these things happen. THIS IS ROI and "quality of service" at work for the betterment of the many. Perhaps if those affected paid attention to winds of change YEARS AGO AS I DID (which is why I have slowly seperated from large populated areas - planned 15 YEARS AGO) they would have been able to get more voice. Oh well, I should have the same mindset; be just the same way as you. NP is going to save so much money in the long run - and isn'that the thing that is most important. I don't think that people down in MA are going to be concerned as well - really - how many even know of you? They will be happy to have the power to run their 50" flatscreens. Oh - and to charge up their Chevy Volts TO SAVE ON GAS!
Hey - thanks for showing how underwhelmed you are. Hey - why don't you all hop on a bus with slogans and logos and sing some freedom songs. What a bunch of phonies - toasting some marshmallows and guitar strumming. Then when it finally happens to YOU (and even those with solar and wind) that the friendly neighborhood government screwface stops to "chat with" about how your panels are causing some shade affecting some of the poor flowers that can't grow / or your wind generator is affect the spider population or natural habitat of some insect - these must be removed in 90 days or face $25,000 in fines and perhaps a prison sentence - then let's hear your "ROI" and "lower quality of service" song - strumming on that old banjo.
Review the words of wisdom at the top. Some of the pipe-smokeing posters with the cherry tobakkee - - are having some brain freeze. Probably nothing more that old age and graft setting in.
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Dave N.
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MaineShark
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Like I said, I'd help a bit if someone wanted to try and get legislation passed that required any PUC-regulated power company to have an explicit opt-in, with the contract stating in detail what the meter is capable of, before installing a smart meter. Just make sure that it has that "PUC-regulated" clause; if some truly private power company is started, they should not be saddled with additional regulations intended for the quasi-governmental power companies.
So, what do you want to do? You believe that there's a problem, and I agree. So, what's your solution? I think that what I presented would work, and be politically-feasible, so if you want to run with that, feel free. Let us know what help you need...
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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daveneu
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I am gong to be a bit "across the board" on this post - many different arrows to dodge.
Regarding - the responsible effort to be made to get fight against the installment of smart meters, I was making my post relate to those who are stating that "it's not their problem." No person in particular. It's everyone's problem. You're welcome.
I have contacted NHEC to let them know in no uncertain terms that I view the installation of a smart meter as TRESPASS ON MY LAND. Oh, they can install it - but they know how I feel. I have also alerted others in my area (I only know a handful of people) about it - they need to call the company and chew their head off as well.
I already told you I am happy to take a picture of the meter with the current useage - problem solved if they want to get rid of meter readers. What - it didn't post? Now we move on.
Regarding the need or no need a about meter readers - I do find it objectionable by that one poster here has spoken out against / has something against meter readers - we don't need them. "There is a better way." I am not going to mention who that was - but I counter with the following - maybe we dont need you. Remember Mr. Wordsworth in the "Twilight Zone" episode as to who the "State" considers obsolete. I believe that for anyone here (including myself), we can make a claim that - well, what does your job have to do with the betterment of society - maybe you should be fired and then go sell pencils at the airport. Now that could be countered with "well...uh, uh, uh, my job has no affect on your bills or your taxes." Really? Maybe in some small way you and others like you (the guy against meter readers) are the reason I can't buy a can of soup for 49 cents. OR - maybe your decisions have had an effect on where GMOs are put in foods. Perhaps you run useless reports for a company that supports another company that settles claims that are trivial and then because of that, I have to pay $1 for a can of soup. Maybe if it weren't for you or others in your position, I wouldn't br paying escessive fees and fines when I get my car serviced and now have to pay a "dump fee" for my used oil. You get my drift - I don't have to go any further. Maybe you should be the one who is viewed as having no value. Maybe you are obsolete.
Smart meters are everyone's problem - please get the head out of the sand. This is just plain fact. Unless your mother in law is blowing on a turbine, enabling the water to come out of your pipes - at some point this will have an affect on you, your girl friend, your 85 year old parent, or the clerk down the street in the drug store with acne. NP isn't even in the same city, let alone the same ball park. Like the man says in the you tube video I linked to earlier - the power companies want a smart meter on every home in America - when that happens - this will no longer be America. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? This is about CONTROL AND ESPIONAGE! THIS IS POLICE (OR ANY OTHER COMPANY) BUYING INFO ABOUT WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR HOME.
If smart meters were simply about "letting you know about your electricity useage" I would pat the little people at the power company on the head and say "GOOD DOGGIE! - WHO's A GOOD DOGGIE??? YOU'RE A GOOD DOGGIE!!!" - But it is not.
In other words, this is a global pandemic issue. If you think not - maybe you aren't aware that (again, I reiterate) smart meter info (or intelligence) can be used by the police - BY THE POLICE. THis is already going on in a few states and other countries - WATCH THAT VIDEO. Can you say the same thing for NP? The data that you are creating by simply being alive, can be used against you. You don't see a smart meter in your future - bullcrap. As I stated before - when they come for YOU, there will be no one left.
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Dave N.
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John Edward Mercier
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Umm... No. They are very aware of the NH Constitution.
No property is being removed by ED. Really? Any support for that claim? Because everything I've read on the subject specifically says they have plans to obtain ROW's via eminent domain. Nope. Customer of PSNH. But if the board will not listen to its membership... it definately will not listen to those of us that aren't even members. Your point being...? Part First Article 12-a. My point is that that the first step is beyond the means of those of us that are not members of NHEC. While the second step (legislation) currently doesn't have a bill before the Legislature, nor wording. So its either take the first step or wait for the second. daveneu... Have you bothered to make any of those proposals to the NHEC board? |
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MaineShark
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Dave, smart meters are not a problem. Abuse of the technology is the problem.
No libertarian is going to support an outright ban. If someone wants a smart meter, and the power company wants to supply it, it's their right to negotiate that agreement.
If you want to work on something to prevent PUC-regulated power companies from installing smart meters without the consent of the consumer, I'm willing to help.
But you need an actual plan. I can't help you if you only list your goal, not how you intend to get there. Maybe the plan will be changed over time in response to changes in the situation - it doesn't need to be set in stone - but we need some sort of plan in order to get started.
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
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daveneu
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I appreciate your input. Right now, I am not sure what to do except that people need to call their electric company and protest. I have told them that I consider it trespass if they install one. I wonder what would happen if 3000 other customers did so as well. I know from my conversation with the initial intake rep, that they have had many calls.
Also, again, if all a smart meter did was once a month report my balance and alerted the company as to a power outage, then I have to say - I would still feel badly for the people out of a job but I would not see the intrusion on my life. It is not the technology that I am against. I happen to have been using technology for many many years. Were you on the internet in 1990? WhereI was living, I was the only person in my entire neighborhood in 1991 with internet. I had been using the Atari 400 and a tape deck back in 1981. I do not abhor technology. I use it to create music that sounds like a 20 piece jazz band or a symphonic orchestra. I have using MIDI since 1987.
Technology, when working for the good of people is a marvelous tool. I was computerized as a teacher before any of my colleagues. BUT - when it works AGAINST the good of people - to be used as a weapon by the globalist agenda - which make no mistake the smart meter is being geared up for - then we must rise.
I came here t see if the free state project had any material to counter NHEC or interest which as you can see - they did not. That saddened me. I am, at this stage urging others to call and send registered mail to PROTEST. An organized protest by the people holding the money shold make a difference - if this is about money and not about agenda - as some other poster claimed that it was. If 3000 customers say "TAKE MY ELECTIRCITY AND SHOVE IT - maybe that will make a difference.
Dave
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Dave N.
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John Edward Mercier
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Most of the people on the forum are probably not NHEC members.
I can call PSNH and complain, but since they aren't currently looking to smart meters... and its a for-profit rather than a co-op... I probably won't get much of a response.
The trespass thing won't work... you'd have to allow them to remove their meter and line.
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