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Topic: Are there any "Halt Smart Meter" initiatives in the Granite State (Read 17759 times)
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John Edward Mercier
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They don't.
The meter reads directly to a central location rather than sending a meter reader out.
As Jason pointed out... they could tell when I was using power, and the usage pattern on a moment-to-moment basis.
They could use opt-in...
But are having problems with complaints of how quickly they determine which customers don't have power and the speed of returning it. They're also being pressed to lower costs.
So it would be the consumer that would need to accept they may be without power for an extended period... or may have to pay a higher service price for the manual meter reading.
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daveneu
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(Responding to previous post) - The "all rights reserved" was just part of the form letter - however on his video (that "you tube" I posted previous), he states to feel free to use his letter. With regards to how could they tell what devices you are using, it's simple - all devices give off known frequecies and signatures - just like a car tire has a specific tread pattern. The company will even be able to tell what TV stations you are watching - all stations give off different signatures. These abilities will of course refine over time. Again - watch the video that I posted the link to.
This is real 1984 stuff. I can't believe that I am the only one in this state blasting the message. Other states have it loud and clear - it's all over the internet. New Hampshire is certainly picking it's battles and this case with regard to personal liberties - however with regard to the electricity gestapo, it's certainly missing the fact that big brother will be watching you - to the point where they can use the results in criminal litigation. You're using too much electricity, you are using too little electricity (and maybe pilfering), you were not at home when you said you were during the commission of that certain crime, & you are running a business in your home.
Why am I the only one seeing this? It's nobody's damn business what I do in my house. read my damn meter, and move along!
Also - anything generating a frequency can be read by someone with the right equipment as they drive by your abode. I don't have to tell you had that goes.
Dave
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Dave N.
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B.D. Ross
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According to the elec. company (NHEC) there is no opt-out. You get a smart meter. I posted a you tube video from a person dealing with smart meters - I don't think that you have looked at this.
I watched the whole thing. Unfortunately. There's a lot of inaccurate information there about what SmartMeters can do and can't do. It's not like just installing a meter can "see" into your homes electrical wiring. Today, that sort of feature requires smart appliances. And very few consumers have smart appliances. There's a lot of inaccurate information about the amount of signal processing the meters can do to infer what's going on inside your home. Really, very little. The problem the P.E. seems to have is that he assumed a specific device was causing a specific change in signal. Thus, it could be observed, and we would know what it was. Common mistake. If I gave him an unknown device and asked, "What is this?" That problem is much much harder. If one is really paranoid, you could impair a smart appliance transmitters. Or, alternatively, the electrical knowledge to obscure what's going on in your home is already out there. NOTICE OF NO CONSENT TO TRESPASS AND SURVEILLANCE, NOTICE OF LIABILITY
Dear (Energy Provider) and all agents, officers, employees, contractors and interested parties,
If you intend to install a "Smart Meter" or any activity monitoring device at the above address, you and all other parties are hereby deny consent for installation and use of all such devices on the above property.
Most of the letter is nonsense. So long as you continue to request service, you are in fact, consenting to the services they are providing. It's like eating cake but saying you're not eating cake: if you're putting the cake in your mouth and chewing, you're obviously eating cake. Even if you deny that you're doing it. If the power co. won't provide you power on your terms, you have two options: (1) just take the SmartMeter; or (2) end your electrical service. 'Course, the NH PUC doesn't make it easy for your to get competing services. Hence, there should be a way to opt-out of any services that collect private information. |
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B.D. Ross
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With regards to how could they tell what devices you are using, it's simple - all devices give off known frequecies and signatures - just like a car tire has a specific tread pattern. The company will even be able to tell what TV stations you are watching - all stations give off different signatures. These abilities will of course refine over time. Again - watch the video that I posted the link to.
It doesn't work like that at all. |
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daveneu
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Not all the features will come all at once - I know that. We had GPS in the 90's but we didn't have GPS shoes and cameras. GPS your dog, then your children, then your grandparents and finally - well...you can figure out where this is headed. Just give it ten or so years. They will do the same with these meters that watch everything that you do - and if not everything right away, then in the near future - as you know, these things get rolled out slowly - but they do get rolled out. Also, I am well aware that I can opt out of having elec. power and instead get a solar generator to pump water out of the ground - sort of like getting a chevette to tow your fifth wheel. Yes - not new news. All I wanted to know was if there were any concerns and so far, the free state doesn't seem to have any issues with this particular area of freedoms IN A PERSON'S HOME. But - I'll bet I have stirred up some curiousity among the people who have been reading this particular series of posts - which is more than we can say was available just a day or so ago.
So come to NH and get a smart meter - just like every other place in the nation. Welcome to "Live Free or Die."
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Dave N.
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B.D. Ross
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All I wanted to know was if there were any concerns and so far, the free state doesn't seem to have any issues with this particular area of freedoms IN A PERSON'S HOME.
As others have already stated, some legislators are attempting to address those issues. |
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John Edward Mercier
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Not all the features will come all at once - I know that. We had GPS in the 90's but we didn't have GPS shoes and cameras. GPS your dog, then your children, then your grandparents and finally - well...you can figure out where this is headed. Just give it ten or so years. They will do the same with these meters that watch everything that you do - and if not everything right away, then in the near future - as you know, these things get rolled out slowly - but they do get rolled out. Also, I am well aware that I can opt out of having elec. power and instead get a solar generator to pump water out of the ground - sort of like getting a chevette to tow your fifth wheel. Yes - not new news. All I wanted to know was if there were any concerns and so far, the free state doesn't seem to have any issues with this particular area of freedoms IN A PERSON'S HOME. But - I'll bet I have stirred up some curiousity among the people who have been reading this particular series of posts - which is more than we can say was available just a day or so ago.
So come to NH and get a smart meter - just like every other place in the nation. Welcome to "Live Free or Die."
So choose the freedom of another option. Its not like current options don't exist to monitor you... but are you really worth the time and effort? |
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John Edward Mercier
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With regards to how could they tell what devices you are using, it's simple - all devices give off known frequecies and signatures - just like a car tire has a specific tread pattern. The company will even be able to tell what TV stations you are watching - all stations give off different signatures. These abilities will of course refine over time. Again - watch the video that I posted the link to.
It doesn't work like that at all. Not to mention easier done through the cable company. |
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John Edward Mercier
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According to the elec. company (NHEC) there is no opt-out. You get a smart meter. I posted a you tube video from a person dealing with smart meters - I don't think that you have looked at this.
I watched the whole thing. Unfortunately. There's a lot of inaccurate information there about what SmartMeters can do and can't do. It's not like just installing a meter can "see" into your homes electrical wiring. Today, that sort of feature requires smart appliances. And very few consumers have smart appliances. There's a lot of inaccurate information about the amount of signal processing the meters can do to infer what's going on inside your home. Really, very little. The problem the P.E. seems to have is that he assumed a specific device was causing a specific change in signal. Thus, it could be observed, and we would know what it was. Common mistake. If I gave him an unknown device and asked, "What is this?" That problem is much much harder. If one is really paranoid, you could impair a smart appliance transmitters. Or, alternatively, the electrical knowledge to obscure what's going on in your home is already out there. NOTICE OF NO CONSENT TO TRESPASS AND SURVEILLANCE, NOTICE OF LIABILITY
Dear (Energy Provider) and all agents, officers, employees, contractors and interested parties,
If you intend to install a "Smart Meter" or any activity monitoring device at the above address, you and all other parties are hereby deny consent for installation and use of all such devices on the above property.
Most of the letter is nonsense. So long as you continue to request service, you are in fact, consenting to the services they are providing. It's like eating cake but saying you're not eating cake: if you're putting the cake in your mouth and chewing, you're obviously eating cake. Even if you deny that you're doing it. If the power co. won't provide you power on your terms, you have two options: (1) just take the SmartMeter; or (2) end your electrical service. 'Course, the NH PUC doesn't make it easy for your to get competing services. Hence, there should be a way to opt-out of any services that collect private information. Not really sure if its the PUC or lack of private capital seeing an ROI. |
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B.D. Ross
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According to the elec. company (NHEC) there is no opt-out. You get a smart meter. I posted a you tube video from a person dealing with smart meters - I don't think that you have looked at this.
I watched the whole thing. Unfortunately. There's a lot of inaccurate information there about what SmartMeters can do and can't do. It's not like just installing a meter can "see" into your homes electrical wiring. Today, that sort of feature requires smart appliances. And very few consumers have smart appliances. There's a lot of inaccurate information about the amount of signal processing the meters can do to infer what's going on inside your home. Really, very little. The problem the P.E. seems to have is that he assumed a specific device was causing a specific change in signal. Thus, it could be observed, and we would know what it was. Common mistake. If I gave him an unknown device and asked, "What is this?" That problem is much much harder. If one is really paranoid, you could impair a smart appliance transmitters. Or, alternatively, the electrical knowledge to obscure what's going on in your home is already out there. NOTICE OF NO CONSENT TO TRESPASS AND SURVEILLANCE, NOTICE OF LIABILITY
Dear (Energy Provider) and all agents, officers, employees, contractors and interested parties,
If you intend to install a "Smart Meter" or any activity monitoring device at the above address, you and all other parties are hereby deny consent for installation and use of all such devices on the above property.
Most of the letter is nonsense. So long as you continue to request service, you are in fact, consenting to the services they are providing. It's like eating cake but saying you're not eating cake: if you're putting the cake in your mouth and chewing, you're obviously eating cake. Even if you deny that you're doing it. If the power co. won't provide you power on your terms, you have two options: (1) just take the SmartMeter; or (2) end your electrical service. 'Course, the NH PUC doesn't make it easy for your to get competing services. Hence, there should be a way to opt-out of any services that collect private information. Not really sure if its the PUC or lack of private capital seeing an ROI. It's PUC. It makes it prohibitively expensive to enter the market. The RPS don't help. |
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John Edward Mercier
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So its not that I would need to string transmission lines for miles between scarce customers with little chance of underpricing an already existing line?
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B.D. Ross
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So its not that I would need to string transmission lines for miles between scarce customers with little chance of underpricing an already existing line?
That's not really how it works. If you ARE going to run "private" transmission lines for miles, then yes, you're going to have higher up-front costs. On open grids, the producers typically don't own the transmission lines. Usually they lease them or they're part of a quasi-co-op. Often called a transmission system operator. And those are set up as not-for-profit entities under FERC regulations. But even if you, say, just wanted to set up a small grid among some close neighbors. It'll cost you maybe $2500-$5000 (maybe a whole lot less) total to run that. But you can't do it. Not really. So sayeth PUC. We have a very centralized power system--and the regulations around it support that centralization in transmission which (perhaps unintentionally) prevents innovation in production. So, for example, say a developer wants to put in 120 units. And they want to do some co-generation or some kind of renewable capture. Can't do it. PUC doesn't allow it. Unless you jump through their hoops and pay through the nose. Which makes the whole process economically wasteful. An individual can do net metering. But you're still feeding back into the central system. It's that centralization that causes service problems and higher-than-necessary prices (though, in fairness, NH does have relatively low prices for electricity). Ask the hundreds of thousands of people who lost power a few weeks ago how they feel about it. Decentralization increases increases system reliability. |
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JasonPSorens
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The transmission network is a guaranteed monopoly franchise everywhere in the country (there may be some exceptions for large commercial operations generating their own power). Where electricity "deregulation" has occurred, it has simply allowed different power generators to compete for retail customers while still using the common carrier's network.
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daveneu
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This has nothing to do with money, or ROI, or any other nonsense. Stop looking at money. This is beyond the unimportance of money and crap of that nature. Put the money in the trash. This is about control. This is about power. You are dealing with entities that have ties to entities that are tied to other entities that don't need your money, as they can simply print more, create more debt and not lift a dime out of your pocket. I know, that this is beyond most of you - what do you have 32" - 50" TV sets that hypnotize you with phony news - from corporations that take your tax money and give it TO the news corps. to spew out more nonsense? This is about slavery - not money. You can have $10,000,000. Big damn deal - whoopee. This is about controlling a society, this is about checkpoints on the highway, this is about ordering you about and owning you - telling you to spy on your neighbor with "if you see something, say something" crap. Money today is just pieces of paper - tied to nothing - no backing of precious metals or even the word of a government to back it with any intrinsic value. I thought this was well known. This is about owning you and telling you what you can and can't do. And it will all hit in a slow and eventual roll-out that will be comparable to the frog being slowly boiled in water - if you can understand this. This is your evolving Police State - with your useless pieces of paper and it's financial power in the hands of the Globalists - just watch the stocks go up and down by hundreds of points - down 300, up 300. This is not about money - it's like the crap of globull warming. How many fools believe that? I don't know where you live, I just had a snow storm in October. Globull warming, globull cooling, oh - let's just call it climate change. What next - continental drift is tied to SUV's? There are suckers born every minute. Again - these meters are not about anything silly like money. This is about you becoming a slave and being hauled off into a FEMA camp because you were "thought" to be doing something in your home - say "hi" to the freedom police (ergo your brown shirts, green shirts, black shirts, pick your poison). Now, again - is anyone out there in La-La land as concerned as I am about the smart meters? Yes? No? Dee? Dah? Doh? Hello out there......
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Dave N.
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Thanks for the info - I can't believe that everyone isn't up in arms about this - must be just me.
Why would they, "A smart meter will allow you to have a lower rate during lower load periods!" You'll save money, man! The $1 you save a month will make it worth it totallty! But don't worry we won't raise rates THAT much to pay for it, cuz we'll be selling your usage data. |
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