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Do you agree to, "The Commandment?"
(Voting closed: June 25, 2011, 04:28:54 pm)
| I've already been following that policy. |
   3 (7%) |
| I'll agree to it. |
1 (2.3%) |
| It's pointless because you can't get others to agree with it. |
4 (9.3%) |
| You're an idiot just for posting something like this. (see post) |
5 (11.6%) |
| You're the worst offender. |
2 (4.7%) |
| Reserve the right to criticize anyone. |
15 (34.9%) |
| Reserve the right to attack anyone. |
4 (9.3%) |
| I really should do it, but will probably speak ill, anyway. |
1 (2.3%) |
| Other, generally agree. (post below) |
4 (9.3%) |
| Other, generally disagree. (post below) |
4 (9.3%) |
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| Total Voters: 24 |
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Topic: The Commandment: Speak no ill of any other freestater (Read 3604 times)
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maxxoccupancy
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The question is: The Commandment: Speak no ill of any other freestater Do you agree with this statement? Do you agree to follow that? That's the OP. |
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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Dreepa
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I judge individuals, not groups. Some free staters have become my best friends and trusted confidants. Others I have found to be irresponsible, lazy, untrustworthy, or other negative adjectives.
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sandm000
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If free staters talk ill of other free staters by saying "That Free Stater sure is an asshole" it's a really bad idea.
But talking bad about "keeniacs" "manchtard" "grifting grafters" is AOK!
Also, calling yourself a free stater when you do something is a bad idea, because you may be an asshole and just not know it.
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A government is not legitimate merely because it exists.
-Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
The government's War on Poverty has transformed poverty from a short-term misfortune into a career choice.-Harry Browne
We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes non-work.-Milton Friedman
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maxxoccupancy
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I've always identified myself as a freestater (until recently), and never had any problems with members of the general public about it. In the last year or so, the issue just hasn't really come up.
Does it do any good to public attack or criticize another liberty activist? Aren't the statist insiders already doing this job for us?
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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MaineShark
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Does it do any good to public attack or criticize another liberty activist? Yes. As already discussed. For example, if I see someone behaving recklessly with a firearm, I might want to call him publicly on it, so that the general public knows that "Freestaters" do not turn a blind eye to reckless behavior. If we turn a blind eye to negative behavior, we all get painted with a brush colored by whatever that individual did. If we make it clear that he was acting on his own, and the many or all of the rest of us do not support his behavior, we do not. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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and when Freestaters lie to other potential freestaters about the potential areas where they might want to live?
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maxxoccupancy
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or when posters accuse other people of lying because they only read the response to a post, rather than the OP
or when posters challenge the integrity of liberty activists without ever doing anything substantive themselves
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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B.D. Ross
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The question is: The Commandment: Speak no ill of any other freestater Do you agree with this statement? Do you agree to follow that? That's the OP. The OP contained more. Specifically, a reason why we should do this: "I view this as good advice, as can becomes obvious when Republican candidates or officials attack each other." As previously stated, freestaters are not a political party. We do not presently have a vested interest in maintaining an undivided front. When we avoid such artificial, unnecessary silences, it gives far more credence to our continued insistence that the FSP really is as fragmented and loosely (un)organized as we say. So far, I've seen no "obvious" reason why freestaters should do this. So, no, I would not. |
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Uncle Walt
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To be a "commandment" ... somebody has to "command" you. Somebody with authority to punish you for disobeying.
Since I don't recognize anybody's authority to punish me for speaking ill of anyone else ... especially if it's true ... No, I can't agree to such a "commandment".
However, neither do I try to purposefully speak ill of anyone. Freestater or otherwise.
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Denis Goddard
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neither do I try to purposefully speak ill of anyone. Freestater or otherwise.
That seems rather short-sighted. Do you speak ill of murderers, rapists, and fraudsters? |
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Uncle Walt
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neither do I try to purposefully speak ill of anyone. Freestater or otherwise.
That seems rather short-sighted. Do you speak ill of murderers, rapists, and fraudsters? If I call a murderer a murderer, it isn't speaking ill of them. Nor is it "speaking ill" of someone to call them a socialist, if that's what their actions/motives appear to support. However, calling someone an idiot just because they don't agree with me, would be "speaking ill". |
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Friday
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The question is: The Commandment: Speak no ill of any other freestater Do you agree with this statement? Do you agree to follow that? That's the OP. No, I don't agree with that statement. No, I don't agree to follow it. Several people thanked me for publicly calling out a Freestater who was a liar, thief and vandal. And I am grateful to other Freestaters who have done the same. Frankly, I wish there was MORE "speaking ill". Reputations, or lack thereof, are required in a small, freedom-oriented community. We're also a large enough and diverse enough group that it's to be expected that some of 'us' wish to disassociate with some others of 'us' over whatever. There's nothing wrong with that. |
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Free your mind, and your ass will follow. -- Parliament/Funkadelic
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Dreepa
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enough group that it's to be expected that some of 'us' wish to disassociate with some others of 'us' over whatever. There's nothing wrong with that.
Friday said she won't be near me when I wear my Hawaiian shirts. |
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mauiguy
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Made it!! Porcfest rocks!!!
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enough group that it's to be expected that some of 'us' wish to disassociate with some others of 'us' over whatever. There's nothing wrong with that.
Friday said she won't be near me when I wear my Hawaiian shirts. Uh oh, I'm in trouble then!  |
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"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~Samuel Adams~
I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. -- Professor Bernardo de la Paz, _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, by Robert Heinlien
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Dreepa
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enough group that it's to be expected that some of 'us' wish to disassociate with some others of 'us' over whatever. There's nothing wrong with that.
Friday said she won't be near me when I wear my Hawaiian shirts. Uh oh, I'm in trouble then! but it might just be me.... |
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