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Topic: Osama bin Laden - Dead (Read 1056 times)
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Dionysus
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I, for one, am finding it difficult to rejoice in the demise of Osama bin Laden. Oh, I fully realize that it will not be the most popular position to take, but truth is the truth in my little world. Perhaps that is why I am even more disturbed by the spectacles of American Citizens dancing in the streets while mindlessly chanting, “USA, USA, USA .” A mob, overwhelmed by patriotic euphoria, and whipped up into a senseless frenzy; While at the same time, remaining absolutely oblivious to the fact that this was a totally illegal and immoral act that offends the very core values that makes us who we are. My God, what have we become as a people?
Yes, there are moments when the patriotic side of me would like to celebrate the death of a terrorist and I fantasize of going back to the life I had before I had ever heard of Osama bin Laden. But then reality begins to seep in to spoil the moment as I realize what has actually happened, and know that life in the United States will never be the same again. Obama and his monkey collective regime have violated every fundamental belief cherished by our founding fathers and led us down the path of self-destruction. Liberty, once lost is not easily regained.
Our nation was build upon the foundation of jurisprudence – The accused are innocent until proven guilty. But in the case of Osama bin Laden, where do we find the requirement to produce evidence in order to convict? It matters not whom the accused may be or what he may be accused of, under the law, does he not have a right to face his accusers and answer the charges brought against him? Some may contend that protection under the law only extends to US Citizens, but should not our sense of justice extend to everyone, should not our sense of justice be an essential part of who we are as a people; one of those little things that make Americans different? And what ever happened to the division of powers set forth in our Constitution? Since when was the power to convict and execute a person placed in the hands of one man in the executive branch?
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"Emergencies” have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have eroded.
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John Edward Mercier
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Technically, he could have turned himself in and faced his accusers at any time.
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Dionysus
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I agree John, bin Laden could have turned himself in at anytime. But that isn't the point I was trying to make. When we sneak into another Country and kill people, it's a mission. When someone does the exact same thing to us, it's a terrorist attack. I suppose the point I wanted to make was that who we are as a people and as a nation has been essentially changed; and in my opinion, not for the better. Placing the power to convict and execute a person in the hands of one man, bypassing due process of law, is an invitation to tyranny and oppression.
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"Emergencies” have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have eroded.
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I believe that UBL was a murderer. So I am happy that he is dead. I thought the celebrating was a little much, but whatever. The details of how he died are interesting to me, but it really isn't important. It looks like Pakistan was protecting him while receiving US tax dollars. That is the greater concern for me.
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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John Edward Mercier
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I agree John, bin Laden could have turned himself in at anytime. But that isn't the point I was trying to make. When we sneak into another Country and kill people, it's a mission. When someone does the exact same thing to us, it's a terrorist attack. I suppose the point I wanted to make was that who we are as a people and as a nation has been essentially changed; and in my opinion, not for the better. Placing the power to convict and execute a person in the hands of one man, bypassing due process of law, is an invitation to tyranny and oppression.
Was the mission to kill him? Or was the mission one to arrest him? |
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Nice to see firm justice carried out. We could use a bit more of it in the homeland.
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Tu ne cede malis.
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Nice to see firm justice carried out. Killing someone is absolutely never, under any circumstances, an act of justice. Making him spend the rest of his life attempting to make restitution to the families of his victims would be a start at justice, but he could spend several lifetimes at it, and not achieve parity with the harm he caused. Justice is about restoring the victims, to whatever extent is possible. Killing the perpetrator might be punishment, or it might be revenge, or it might just be something that you can't avoid doing, but it is never justice, any more than shooting a rabid dog is justice. You shoot the rabid dog because you don't have any other choice, and you get on with your life. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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