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Topic: Will NH become a right to work state? (Read 2634 times)
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slothman
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Public jobs should not only be RTW, but public employees unions should be made illegal.
Why should public unions be illegal? The particular employee can negotiate but they can't as a group? If the person can't privately talk about salary then how can the salary be changed? |
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Skeptikos
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While the NLRA may force employers to bargain with an existing union, it doesn't require that employer to hire union workers in the first place, correct? Not really, but the Norris-LaGuardia Act bans yellow-dog contracts, which means employers cannot have workers promise not to join unions in order to get a job. Bottom line, I'm fore LESS government meddling in private business, not more. That's basically my thinking on this issue. |
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eflatminor
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No, but requiring all employees of a particular occupational category to pay agency fees is a standard element of a collective bargaining agreement. And...? That's a private agreement. The employer has to negotiate with the union. Most unions will ask for that to be added. The employer does not have to agree to that particular item. Many choose to. Many choose not to. the bill also stops unions from collecting mandatory fees from non-union members. i think that is "pro-liberty"... stop forcing people to pay into something they arent a part of... It doesn't "also" do that. That's the only thing it does. But they can only do that, if the employer has agreed to have a closed shop. If the employer has agreed to it. Not otherwise. Anyone doesn't like that, they can get a job with the overwhelming majority of employers in NH, that are not unionized. Only a small fraction are unionized, and only a percentage of those are closed shops. And every closed shop that's out there, is because the employer freely agreed to close the shop. Interfering in private contracts is wrong. It's a 100% anti-liberty bill. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Joe I gotta agree with you. Public employees, no forced unionization! Private, ain't nobody else's business. |
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MaineShark
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Public jobs should not only be RTW, but public employees unions should be made illegal. Why should public unions be illegal? The particular employee can negotiate but they can't as a group? If the person can't privately talk about salary then how can the salary be changed? Because "collective bargaining" only works, when both sides can come to the table. Taxpayers, the ones actually paying the salary of the workers, cannot be represented at the bargaining table. Additionally, public employees unions collect dues that were paid out of salaries, which were directly paid from the public coffers. And then they use those dues to support political candidates. Using public funds to support particular candidates or causes is grossly improper. It's not like someone received the salary, and then personally decided to go out and support a candidate; the payment of dues is automatic, so the funds are essentially being handed directly to the union. Public employees unions are the single largest cause of the rapid growth of government in the latter half of the 20th century. They will consistently support candidates who promise bigger government, because it's in the direct interest of their members to do so. And they are using taxpayer money to do so. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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CurtHowland
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I thought this would be of interest in this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qFvo2qJOU"Sandy Springs, Georgia: the City that Outsourced Everything" Personally, I'd still prefer voluntary provisioning, but at least it's a start. And it's a success story to use in arguments against "public employee unions". |
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John Edward Mercier
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Public jobs should not only be RTW, but public employees unions should be made illegal. Why should public unions be illegal? The particular employee can negotiate but they can't as a group? If the person can't privately talk about salary then how can the salary be changed? Because "collective bargaining" only works, when both sides can come to the table. Taxpayers, the ones actually paying the salary of the workers, cannot be represented at the bargaining table. Additionally, public employees unions collect dues that were paid out of salaries, which were directly paid from the public coffers. And then they use those dues to support political candidates. Using public funds to support particular candidates or causes is grossly improper. It's not like someone received the salary, and then personally decided to go out and support a candidate; the payment of dues is automatic, so the funds are essentially being handed directly to the union. Public employees unions are the single largest cause of the rapid growth of government in the latter half of the 20th century. They will consistently support candidates who promise bigger government, because it's in the direct interest of their members to do so. And they are using taxpayer money to do so. Joe How so? |
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Uncle Walt
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btw ... even if you go to work for a "closed shop", you can't be forced to join a union. The NLRA Sec 19/169 provides an exception to "Any employee who is a member of and adheres to established and traditional tenets or teachings of a bona fide religion, body, or sect which has historically held conscientious objections ... (to union membership)". Since the First Amendment forbids government from saying what is a "bona fide" religion or not, there's no reason you couldn't invent one.
Which is basically what I did.
It does say you have to donate to a charity the amount that you would otherwise pay in union dues. But I'd rather give money to a charity of MY choice, than to the union - who use it against my political ideals.
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ny2nh
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The House Labor Committee voted to concur with the Senate version of this bill - which brings us back to the original House version with no amendments. The House vote to concur will be on 5/4....then we'll see if we can override the governor's veto.
Tammy
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John Edward Mercier
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btw ... even if you go to work for a "closed shop", you can't be forced to join a union. The NLRA Sec 19/169 provides an exception to "Any employee who is a member of and adheres to established and traditional tenets or teachings of a bona fide religion, body, or sect which has historically held conscientious objections ... (to union membership)". Since the First Amendment forbids government from saying what is a "bona fide" religion or not, there's no reason you couldn't invent one.
Which is basically what I did.
It does say you have to donate to a charity the amount that you would otherwise pay in union dues. But I'd rather give money to a charity of MY choice, than to the union - who use it against my political ideals.
Yes... they can. |
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John Edward Mercier
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Public jobs should not only be RTW, but public employees unions should be made illegal. Why should public unions be illegal? The particular employee can negotiate but they can't as a group? If the person can't privately talk about salary then how can the salary be changed? Because "collective bargaining" only works, when both sides can come to the table. Taxpayers, the ones actually paying the salary of the workers, cannot be represented at the bargaining table. Additionally, public employees unions collect dues that were paid out of salaries, which were directly paid from the public coffers. And then they use those dues to support political candidates. Using public funds to support particular candidates or causes is grossly improper. It's not like someone received the salary, and then personally decided to go out and support a candidate; the payment of dues is automatic, so the funds are essentially being handed directly to the union. Public employees unions are the single largest cause of the rapid growth of government in the latter half of the 20th century. They will consistently support candidates who promise bigger government, because it's in the direct interest of their members to do so. And they are using taxpayer money to do so. Joe Stock holders that actually pay the employees are represented by the same means... even lessor so. |
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maxxoccupancy
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btw ... even if you go to work for a "closed shop", you can't be forced to join a union. The NLRA Sec 19/169 provides an exception to "Any employee who is a member of and adheres to established and traditional tenets or teachings of a bona fide religion, body, or sect which has historically held conscientious objections ... (to union membership)". Since the First Amendment forbids government from saying what is a "bona fide" religion or not, there's no reason you couldn't invent one.
Which is basically what I did.
It does say you have to donate to a charity the amount that you would otherwise pay in union dues. But I'd rather give money to a charity of MY choice, than to the union - who use it against my political ideals.
Unfortunately, with the NEA, it ends up being a charity of their choice, meaning that one of their own people still gets your money. |
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MaineShark
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Stock holders that actually pay the employees are represented by the same means... even lessor so. Um, no. Last I checked, no one has ever forced me to buy stock. If I don't like how some company runs things, I can buy stock in some other company, or not buy any stock at all. If I own stock in a company, and I think they are making bad decisions, I can sell my stock. Not so, with the government. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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