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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 09:17:41 pm »


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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 11:05:55 pm »

I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to  amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Sorry, I couldn't resist that Goodfellas quote.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2011, 10:47:14 am »

Wouldn't it make more sense, if you KNOW of an innocent person in prison, to work for their release ... rather than let the guilty go free to victimize more innocents? 

Translation: Why do we assume someone is innocent until proven guilty?

Not really, BD ... Slothman said he'd let a guilty person go free, to "offset" an innocent person being in jail.  (my paraphrasing)  I could have misunderstood what he was saying, but IMO that meant that the person Slothman was voting "innocent" had been proven guilty.

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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2011, 01:20:15 pm »

I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to  amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Sorry, I couldn't resist that Goodfellas quote.

Love that movie! Good one.  Grin
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Re: Jury Duty tomorrow in NY 8:30AM
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2011, 12:14:25 am »

If someone is prooved guilty of victimizing someone else, let the punishment fit the crime.

However, you are allowed to consider the integrity of the prosecutor, witnesses, etc.  ANY reasonable doubt you have in your mind, you must acquit under the rules.  If guilt is absolutely proven, then you 'should' convict, but don't have to.

Never let an aggressive judge or prosecutor scare you into convicting someone.  Hang the jury if you have to keep an innocent person out of prison.
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2011, 09:12:48 am »

I've found one of the surest ways to be dismissed from jury service ... in OR/WA at least ... is, when the judge asks if anyone would have a problem following his directions, to raise your hand - and when asked to explain, tell them you believe in exercising your Right to judge the law and not just follow it blindly.  EG: Fully Informed Jury.  In OR/WA ... the judge will usually have you explain in chambers, with the lawyers from both sides present.  Maybe the defendant(s).  But seldom will you get to explain your reason in front of the jury pool.

IMO, that's a problem in our judicial system.  We have a Right and Duty to judge the law first, before judging if someone violated it.  But if you tell the court you believe in that Right/Duty, you won't serve on a jury.  So I no longer inform them of my belief, so that I can continue to serve on juries.
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Re: Jury Duty tomorrow in NY 8:30AM
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2011, 09:23:23 am »

It depends on that State's constitution.
In NH, the People transferred the power to the Legislature... so we're waiting to see if the Legislature will rescind it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2011, 02:58:54 am »

I've found one of the surest ways to be dismissed from jury service ... in OR/WA at least ... is, when the judge asks if anyone would have a problem following his directions, to raise your hand - and when asked to explain, tell them you believe in exercising your Right to judge the law and not just follow it blindly.  EG: Fully Informed Jury.  In OR/WA ... the judge will usually have you explain in chambers, with the lawyers from both sides present.  Maybe the defendant(s).  But seldom will you get to explain your reason in front of the jury pool.

IMO, that's a problem in our judicial system.  We have a Right and Duty to judge the law first, before judging if someone violated it.  But if you tell the court you believe in that Right/Duty, you won't serve on a jury.  So I no longer inform them of my belief, so that I can continue to serve on juries.

Excellent info. I recently became aware of fija and the awesome outreach/heroism of Julian Heicklen. It's outrageous how they treated him.

I'm still in jury duty but I have to work tomorrow since the courts are closed for the federal holiday.
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